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Should Christians use sex toys whenyour homosexual friend and writes you to their wedding? Should you attend awhat's the formula for the perfect me welcome back to another episode ofyoung married Christian Halloween addition we're on a mission to see aGospel centered home made available to every single child in the foster caresystem, and in this episode, Devo talks to the guys behind memes for Jesus andChristians who curse sometimes too massive mem accounts. You would evenprobably consider them meme, lords and they're. Definitely a part of the menMalum Inati, which we will definitely get into in this interview, so a littlebit blasphemous, but we're going to go with it anyway, yeah, I almostheretical for sure in his episodes being heretical, we talked about penis,picks and why we still see them on Christian dating apps. So parents becareful with your teenagers and young adult kids. We also talked aboutsetting schedules for your kids as well, as should you do time out for your kidsYah, it's two thousand and twenty one things are changing yeah and we evengot into conspiraytors and some that you probably wouldn't even expect like,was beance even ever pregnant and then about how Christians, who cure,sometimes even save someone from a cult like come on now: tms Yeah, Ms Yeah, sohappy Halloween, Yal hold on to your Prayer Beats Karen, because we areyoung, married or animal kingdom until they get that kiteshow under control. I feel I feel at risk going there for talking about tome account guys, though that would be the ultimate name to make, as I dizzy made them for you to come herethis week. I O dis who's, just like on target.Ninety nine point. Nine percent of the time sometimes has that point onepercent of just pure disaster and when they miss, they miss spectacularly andit's amazing. So they built this kite show for animal kingdom and all thekites just like look like craft projects and they're like crashing allover the place because, like like Disney, can control a lot that theycan't control the wind. So it's just like all this video fun I just comingout, and I can't not laugh every time I see one yeah, I'm imagining every timea kite hits a tree. Pocahontas is over on the side lines like messing with thewind slam and stuff she's like. Let me have a show my Indians follie. Have youforgotten about me Coyah. I see what you say: Ninety nine percent, just so you realize miles moralis andfor those that are just listening and not watching this is our Halloweenepisode, so we're in a studio right now, in costume more more on that to come,but anyways the one percent typically happens in that stage area and on MalKingdom I feel like they've, had three failed of shows back to back to back,for, if you en count, if you count both iterations of rivers of light but yeah,I wanted this to be an experience for you guys where your wives wouldn't fill.You know like left out as a as a possible. So that's why? For Dinner,Tuesday night I booked Raglan road and we get there and you're like oh my gosh,my wife love. I booked a dude place, so they wouldn'tbe jealous, and I read that text to my wife and she was that sounds likeexactly where I want to go yeah I felt so bad. I'm going to takethese sun glasses on so yeah. For those of you listening in this is ourHalloween episode. I highly recommend that if you're ever going to watch oneepisode on Youtube, this should be the one because we are here chilling in thestudio. I am dress fully like Bert Maglan FBI Aka, Chris Prett Aka, I'mstill just Ebo and in the room with me, I've got a Spider Man, Aka Christian Tocer, Sometimes Aka Mike and then next to him. I've got miles. Moralis, AKA, ano against spider man, AK MOS Moralis Ak Manes for Jesus Aka Matt, and he hasjust revealed himself it just as base not not any other way.But the we're here we're excited to have this podcast go live Howlen, weak!Now, I'm curious! You guys said that you hate really well. I know you weresaying that the suit was a little tight and I was due to belts mask muscle mass,not too many Micky pretzels, but I'm curious on a Sunday because I'm a huge,fast food, a huge mass footing, I'm curious on a Sunday o. So you alreadyknow what I prebles, if you're going...

...through drive through. Where are youguys going where to Spider Manning? Why would you pick someday because thatautomatically eliminates chickie you an'thing, you had to specify day theweek? Is that why you do that that as Christians in here and that's theBertison a spot for only liking, Chick Ela, AH and you're, like Oh, mygoodness, there's other restaurants, there's other drivers drive through, because I love thatyou're struggling because I know mine without e think over it. It's TACO bellhands down a cause. It's cheap! It's good and I don't understand. I can'trelate to the people who sit and sailing Oh and send you. The bathroomgives you dire. I've never had that experience with Taco Bell. It's alwaysbeen a great experience. The only thing they need to stop doing is taking goodstuff off the menu every time they have a hit. I Slam younk and I get soexcited they get rid of it next time, I'm there and it's awful. That's theonly negative thing I have to say about them. I wont had a percent agree:they'll put something for a dollar you that is more delicious than anythingelse they've ever had, and then you know that you have thirty days. Iexactly. I guess I betty this thirty straight days because you know what'sgoing next month. Okay, so like we, this is a drivingthrough place, but we go to a place ball mission barbecue. I don't know ifyou're familiar yeah, that's a that's our like Sunday place. If it's not that,then we we'll just do it way in these cool, be basic, grandparents, Windin,sort of Wendy's. I mean I, there they're great twitter, you knowwhat I mean: they don't cut corners, Dunoran love me a Durban, cheese,Burres, never present yeah and you know it's affordable and yeah. It's not bedone. So that's not good to okay, here's my confession! Last night, atabout eleven P M, I was at Walmart buying this costume. While I was at Walmart Bing thiscostume, I saw these windy's pringles. Sopancirole has now made a windy's spicy chicken sandwich print. I had to get itan you, it was don't say. No. You try it. I will be so quick. Well, prince Imean prins needs to be stuffed y. why, then, you can't make a chip outof everything. You can't do it. He inyo can't make a pine chip. I don't carehow delicious some people man thinks you don't make now. Some things justneed to not be touched at. That's a vital notion. Here's the thing don't goagainst pringles for that you can live your life. How are we not don't deprivethe rest of us for your that decision? He go an what a good chip case. We gota pickle trip over I'm just the type of guy that wheneverI'm a marketers dream. Whenever I see that like new product, I have to try it,I had to buy it so like when las was doing that thing where they were likehaving people come up with the flavors and all that I would buy one two three,all of them in my car and bring them home. I need two of them in the backwould sit in my shelf if I didn't like it for a long time, but I'd be t samewith Mario when or he was doing all those weird flavors. I was first inline. I was grabbing at top of my card. I was ready to go and don't you feel isa little weird to eat a surreal ship. It's like. We have vacuum cleaner chips,guys again and don't deprive the rest of us er in high school. My art teacher.He made me think about frinkles in a totally different way, and he said whatabout that pringle on the bottom of the stack. He he's not only taking all theweight of his entire family, his entire life, but he is listening and watchingyou eat his whole family. But now his day is coming until you know, he'sprobably a crumbled up by the end of it, so he's just getting beaten up anddestroy. I was like an this: is the saddest like a in in the world a yeah, so yeah? Here we are in the studio withour costumes on. I'm super excited to be dressed up as not only one of myfavorite actors, but my favorite character from parks and records.Probably my favorite show of all time that I am curious on your guys'sthoughts on Halloween because rolling up and I'm sure that when people here thatwere doing it, how we episode when they see that we're dressed in Holman, cosy,I'm sure there's going to be people that are already against that that,like drawing up as a kid I mean, I remember, Halloween is being the timethat you all jumped into the back of your dance truck and he drive you doorto like into a neighborhood. Everybody jump out. You'd go door, the door andyou have all kinds of great candy, and sometimes those popcorn like all of dereally hard and ask you and you try to trade, your friend for a snickers and-and you don't think about it as a kid. So, if you're telling me, is thatyou're, not a Christian, I t you know Satan was worshipped in no.

I just I'm curious what you guys asthoughts are on celebrating Halloween. You know it's interesting because thechurch is such a weird relationship with Halloween, because isn't it it'slike the day before all sane stay like a very like Catholic holiday, but thething is: Is Churches love to dance around Halloween without saying theword Halloween and every church I see, has a harvest festival on of festival.All was up so a church I went to for a while decided the pastor hated thateverybody just danced around it and say: Kids were dressing up, were giving themcandy. That is Halloween. We just ED to call it Halloween, so they changed itfrom harvest festival to Halloween, and I think, like there was all thisinfighting about it and whether or not that they just gave it up again andit's that, but all the the weird names that churches come up with like I knewchurch, I call it a hundred and thirty one festival or things like that, wherethey're just coming up with all these things that are Halloween but aren'tand in my opinion, churches just need to commit or not do it, like you Cud,say, think we're having a Halloween party, we're doing tricker, training,chunk or train all that stuff and say Halloween or just say, like you know,we don't believe in this, but to do that weird middle ground, where it'slike. We want to do the fun stuff, but not the but not call it Halloween. Itsends a confusing message to a community that might not understandChristianity, so I just want them to like commit so like. No, we can havefun, we can do Halloween or, like you know what we don't believe this, but dothat. Weird middle ground just leaves like attention in people that makespeople uncomfortable yeah, I'm just going to dive head first in the factthat I am a calvinist and re Forsyn have a conversation without langsome,my own personal, theological conviction, so there you go just get it out of theway, but most of the people that are in my care, don't like holidays whatsoever,because it's a holy day, folon quote and only one day should be holy theLord's Day. You know it's like this rage that comes from that community,that's more like a Apurito origin, but I mean so they don't cilebrateChristmas. Little celebrate Thanksgiving all pain, no no holy daysexcept for Christmas. I, except for you Sunday and you know, but they will youknow not. The low celebrate Christmas is like most of our holidays have paganorigins that have been since redeemed and re purposed beautiful theglorification with atom like isn't that what the Gospel is? You mean if youreally want to go deep into it, we redeem things that are on Bole and usethem to go. If I got you know, that's what got it with us. So it's like why.Why can't you wear funny costumes and say I'm doing this for food, notbecause I worship the hells of Bob. You know what I mean like am I am I do Ilook like I'm worshipping beals about looking directly in the camera. Do Ilook like I'm Wishin, because I look a spider man right now. I don't know youthink so you o send me an email but like I'm, not gonna read it yeah. Ithink that for sorry I love it just send him an email, he won't readit just so. You guys know: Okay means forJesus. They don't reply to ever. We do yeah did you celebrate growing up,though I always fasciitis did or did it because so many people like they growup and when they can, they go like all out and become that Halloween Housethat has like all the inflatables on or they just totally like, shut it down.So that's. The thing is like for me growing up Halloween, like I said weWen all jump into the back of a pickup truck when that was like okay, and wedidn't realize that that was super dangerous. But we have like ten kids inthe back of a pickup truck and you roll up into a neighborhood. You jump out.you run around and get a bunch of free candy that your parents didn't have topay for, and they're like. This is awesome. We can feed our kids for thenext like three months, like we're good until the next year, and it allowed.You know me to embrace my imagination. I grew up in the ninety, so Barney wasa huge thing and so being able to dress up as my favorite character, whichprobably now a stuff as Barney. No, no, no sorry, sorry, Wasigina Bara and you know, like Italked to my fiance about it to Ashley. She said that like when she was incollege. She had these roommates in her dormthat were very against Halloween went oneday and she had no this. She just puts up some decorations. You know some fallHalloween kind of decorations and when she gets back to the dorm everything'sripped down and she's like Oh okay, maybe a big gust o wind came through.So she puts everything back up again sure enough. Think it's taken it andit's like every day. She put it up, they take it down and they would neversay anything to her. They would they would just like. Do it like kind ofsneakily well, fitly. She confronts...

...them and they're like yeah. We didwe're against Halloween were Christians. Those are one hundred percent Karensand training. That's like that's the start of a Karen. THAT'S THAT'S SEFOR!The full evolutions, terrorism, es Talko, ruiner room well, and the bestpart of the story is that on Halloween night, her roommates that were tearing downher Halloween decorations every single day, leading up to Halloween they're,all dressed in Halloween costumes, go to Satan Halloween Party and she's likeHo o e. What are you guys doing see to me if people think if people trulythink it's satanic and think it's a cult or whatever it is, but they wantto do all the other stuff. To me, that's the same with saying, like I'mgonna, step into a Satanic Church, I'm not going to worship but a step intothe church as well see what it looks like if they truly believe that it'sthat it's Satanic Acul that but they're practicing parts of it, that's theequivalent to me like we've, got to just say like no, I don't believe it.It's a call duple with Satanic and here's. Why? I think the reason we gohalfway is a lot of people. Don't know why it makes them feel uncomfortable,and I think that's fine. It's fine to feel in comfort like if you don't likeseeing scary stuff and that the media promote scary movies and that kids areruning, scary costumes, it's fine to say, Hey, I don't like scary things,it's just it's just something makes me uncomfortable. Do I think Halloween isgood or bad say and back it up with scripture and then commit or don'tcommit? That's what it just feels so, weird to me, I just don't like howChristians make it such a weird holiday yeah. I agree and I were at to talkabout Halloween. We also got to talk about Santa Claus, because I think thatthat is something that growling, I'm from a town called Santa Claus, sogrowing up in the town of Santa Claus. It wasn't even a question of: Are wegoing to do the same Tan, or are we not going to do the Sana thing like he'sliterally our towns mask us, I mean, for goodness sake we have a theme parkcalled holiday world. So, if anybody's going to be celebrating every holiday,it's going to be this kid because I grew up every summer going and writingrides in the holidays. You know I felt like I was Jack Skellington, goingthrough the trees into the different holidays, and so to me I just alwayssaw it as like this fun way of opening up his imagination and like magic and-and maybe you know- maybe we should be believing in magic that I feel likethat. You realize magic is miracles when you get older and so yeah. Whatare you guys is thoughts on San, a cost y have say I if you're listening in thecar with kids, maybe turn this down a little bit o me it's just a morning, because I don'twant to ruin the spirit of Christmas for kids, but there's a member of myfamily that they don't do sam cause with their kids, because they don'twant to confuse their kids with Jesus is real, but Santa Claus is not likeother kids eventually, if this is the part of a more about weather gits. Bynow that San Claus is not real and they start questioning other things, theydon't want to sit and have that conversation with just find on them. I,like you, know, to douse their own, but I thought that was an interestingperspective. But to me like it's totally fine, like have fun, you know,have those conversations with your kids and I think that, like they see thisbad thing, I see it is a good thing to talk about the things that are realthings that aren't and why they're, real and and why we do things as aculture and why we do things as a faith are two totally different things. Iwant to kind of back track to when you said magic is miracles. Did you say thatyeah? Are you to get to sorry thinking aslike when you're a kid and you think yeah when I'm watching this movie andthere's something that's magical, that happens, something that can be explore,and then you realize it. When you get older and you realize like if there'ssomething that can't be explained- that's that's called a miracle. Okay.Now, obviously, if you go to a magic show, you're seeing magic, but it istrickery you're ready to argue. I can epingle a good, I'm just right, spider man. Let's go! Oh so yeah!No, I M, like I said, I'm always down you know. I love arguing theologydebating theology not to like her the other person now who, like gait insideI'm, looking believe and just kind of throw. I des back with that's just mypurpose like, but no like I said I was genuinelycurious on what that. What a man does that make sense like what you said atthat like there is actual power that existed in the whole spirit, so o I'mcool, no fighting, okay, okay, I just just you know, make it thru. I knowthat, like I've, seen a lot of people explain Santa Claus to their kids yeahonce their kids get old enough and they're like okay, so the Santa thingisn't real and then they explain it as will actually like anyone can become aSanta Claus, and I don't know if you guys have heard the whole theory oflike teaching your kids then to become...

...a Santa Claus of their own, justmeaning that no you that's beautiful. I've never thought of that before andso then it's like the parents don't lose trust. The parents then are ableto show their kids that you can become a Santa Claus for somebody else, and sothe story that I read was a kid choosing. His neighbor did it let hisneighbor know at all, but saw her like walk in and out of her door to likepick up her mail every day of bearfoot, and so the kid thought man she probablyneed some slippers it so one day he just bought her. Some slippers left himat her door and said it's from Santa, and so that to me is the perfect way toallow your kid to have that magic that childhood the imagination of Santa andthen as they get older, realized hey. This is something that you can keepdoing for your your younger siblings and for the kids in class that areprobably going to say, like I was an a real be like actually, no I'm a Sana,you know and and then explain to those kids. What being a Santa actually meansis like giving without the person knowing it, because that teaches youhumility and teaches you how to not always want gratification andacknowledgment for your good deeds or hives of Christmas shoes territory yeah.I I o Christmas yeah so so going with. You know,Halloween being tons of fun as a kid Christmas being tens of fun as a kidaway from holidays. Is there anything else? Maybe when you were a kid, maybejust isn't as fun as an adult, not saying that Christmas and Halloweenaren't as fun as adults, but is there anything you can think back to like manwhen I was a kid, this was a ton of fun, but now I think I was I thinktelevision was like legit magical in the S, which is why you have so manypeople that are millennials that are just like. I wish I could go back, youknow and then there's like such a Hitalian range, that's out there. What we just want that time back,because I think we were like the only bold, not the only Americans, but likeone of one of the biggest generations of Americans. That has like a reallygreat childhood, at least when it comes to like the media, that we were giventhe cartoons or legendary. But like now, I like I'm like all right, I'm justgoing to watch my bold cartoons and I'm not Goin, like my son, see the cartoonsthat are happening right now that just not you know what I mean it doesn'thave the magic that used to have the other. It's like corporate cartoons,and it's like put through an algorithm, and it's like all the kids I like thisand it's just garbage is just like twites. You know it's completely. Youknow contrived to put together and were back in the day. Curtains like hadactual like orchestras to them like actually like they did like milt artpieces from loving tunes. They did you know hand drawn Candidatin, I think.Maybe they still do that. I won't, you know, paying a brock rush, but it waslike some life of the curtains back then, where now I'm like, I just can'tenjoy it. I'm sorry, I see I just think we need more songs inthe church with hand, motions we go estike. We do this kids, we get likeall the fun songs candles as we get him as teenagers. There were a lot ofworships on his hand. You know hand, motions in youth group, but then, onceyou go through college the hand motions go away, they keep going for the kids.We just need some subtle like like some like fun beats to cap or something likethat. Worship. That's like everybody knows what to do. We've got thatChristian bond. You know I saw John Chris Perform one time and he saidbecause you want me to prove to you that Christian us cool and he justyells- I am the sea and the whole is that I have see strike an a together,but I think there's something to be said for having that kind of sharedbond of like those but moments we have as kids. I think that's why we think ofSunday, school and Youth Group with such fond memories is because we hadthose little things that, like we're not like, you feel included. You feellike part of the group. It feels cool and then, when you get an adult they goaway. So, let's get more, let's get us some of the OS worship. People on aChristmas party he's listening, Cris, get him O. I I don't know, do I thinkhe's got to go. Little bitter cares back gold. Why? What something go tweenBaptist in peticoat? Let's find that Middle Brown were not running incircles, but we're not standing still yeah the whole time. You're saying this,I'm thinking of Jesus Image right down the road here in Orlando and they gotlike the flags waited to people wash pitting. We just seed some leaves ofmercy. Yet I know I used to Corra kids worshipfor my old church back on tack. Is that a job? Well, I mean there was avolunteer. I got T pay zero, so they call it a job now. So I would,I would poria and lead worship and what time they had the idea of let's letDebo go in front of the Adult Church...

...and do the dance moves with the liveband, and so the lad band was playing these more. Like kid songs, I was doingthe dances with a couple kids on stage, and then we had all of kids church inthe front o like a mos bid. You know and the kids are all doing the stuffand I'm looking out it was so much fun to see some of the adults also doingthe dance moves with it and that honestly, for me it would be the idealtype of worship, because when I go to church, like I'm a dancer by nature, and sowhen I worship God, I love to dance and I don't know sign language. But ifyou're watching me in church, you might think that this guy halfway no signlanguage, because I feel like I'm signing and as I am worshipping, I should probably learn sign languagejust so I can do that with it, because I think that's really cool but anyways yeah. When I was a kid, Ithought lunch of bulls were like amazing, how you guys my back as adultsto to try those because they're not that good. Well, I bought them for mykids, like on those like lazy days, when I don't feel like cooking, Oh yeah,I'll, buy it for my kids and I'll. Try it like my kids, like make me littlesandwiches and hand em to me and I'm like they're, okay, they're, okay, Iremember them being much more exciting because like for me, they were like thespecial expensive. I think in my head as a kid I imagine, being moreexpensive because, like they're like a dollar yeah, there's like a, why was mymom making such a big deal about notifying them for music it, but likethey're always like on feltre days or something like that, when you have aspecial day, you got a lunchibles and that's what I think I build it up. So Iwas like you know what I'm Goin to buy these for my kids more often, and thenI realize like no, it's just not good, it's like especially the pizza ones orthe people it were. It was also like unrefrigerated, so it's like that pasteof like to me, was, as with the Jesus probably been sitting out for months onthe shelf and yeah, because the reason why I asked this question, we weretalking the other night about board games and I was going through my poorgame collection. Looking for the hears of sled, I was trying to remember- andI saw that I had some of those like simplistic old kid games like candyland, shoots of ladders, and I was thinking you know because I went to thestore they were like five dollars. I was so excited. I bought him and then Ibrought him home and I played him once and I was like Oh wow. This is just notfun like as an adult playing it like. Maybe with your kids, it's fun, and soI just started thinking of like okay. What else is not not as good as anadult, and I was like lunch of bles slides, rolling down hills who who saidsince aren't fun as bills? Okay, why are I going to say that water slidesare also regular size? I feel like I'm moving at like slough speed of havingto like, I see some better slides in your life that you need a better slide.An infectors down here in Florida then get some better slides, because I godownside with my kids and I have a great time at a some an I, a the maybe me and gravity just aren'tworking together got broke your eaoowee you'recelebrating a maybe if I stop celebrate HalloweenI'll, go to try on some slides how about that as a memes for Jesus accountand Christians who curse. Sometimes, how did we get to means like how didour comedy culture developed to a point where now means have just I meanthey've exploded they've taken over as a culture. I think we've gotten toMEES, maybe from commercials. Is it just beliterally just ripping right now because, like you know most of our OlLife, you know we hate ads, but we love memes, and you know, I think acommercial back in the day was actually kind of fun because it were just likeit was still a little bit of match. Back then, like the new toy for Mantelwas you know it was like really corny and stupid. But as a kid I rememberthinking wow. I want to get that power anger, because that commercial showedme hopfull. I was and- and it was like when we had a couple o second click orwhatever a minute clip of some kid playing cowries, and so I think thosereally small snatch shots of something that reminds me of something like. Ithink that there's somehow connected with the men- I don't know I, thepsychology been IED, but my thoughts are that I mean there's a vigorpsychology behind memes being something that is literally vital that spreadsfrom human to human, but there's also a deeper meaning, Ithink, can be researched as to why we likethem so much because it's a quick transaction makes you laugh, and itreminds you of something that you enjoy or like you saw before. Maybe you don'tenjoy, but it makes it ties a joke to that thing that you knew about before, but you that so memes are the futureone hundred percent. We were just talking about it, we like so need itdid a man for venom and cartage. They did a mean for like an ad for it andall expect this is amazing. Like names are the future, you gave the nine apower teams. What a you thoughte, I...

...mean. Here's it. I feel like I'mleaching off the success of people who started me was like memes for Jesus,like I'm so late to the game like, but my team is only two years old and to me it's just such a quick and easyway to make people laugh, but you can also like have a statement in there.You can start conversations that sort of thing it doesn't just have to be achief black. There are pages that do that and good on them, but it's so easyjust because of how instagram is built. I think instagram is the best platformfor it, because you just kind of scroll and when you see that you stop and read,and you love getting that like good laugh. That makes you feel like you'rea part of something that you get that like it has that picture from that orthat video from you know something you watched as a kid or something you justwatch the other day it just. They only bring positive feelings out of peopleunless you get super controversial with them, but yeah. I mean they're, quick andeasy, and I feel like I'm not very well like schooled in it, but like theseguys are like the Gods- Oh my God, O Christian memes, because they I meanthey used to you guys started Christian. Well, listen! Yeah, shout out toMichael Shaffer, who is very upset that you can't be here he's getting varied she's busy, but hee he's a home building Lagos that was like his coping. He had somestrong cope on that sterling star was the right right, but like yeah,because he's obsessed with stars, I feel so bad. What we'll come back. Hewas like with like yeah my goal. He started memes for Jesus Bacon, twothousand and twelve, and he is the godfather of Christian beams like therewas other pages around, but most of them since then have collapsed in hernowhere near the size of Masr Jesus and what I, what is and what it is nowshout out to Mike. You know he's like a little brothers me also like mentor me,because the me Lord Chrith, the thing thatpeople also like about memes in general is because they feel so easy. It feelslike something anybody can do like anybody can think of an idea of a bebeand that's why there's so many main pages that pop up and then disappear,people think they can do it, they try and then they realize, like. Oh, it'sactually really hard to be consistently funny to be consistently unique and, toyou know, keep it going for a long time, and I struggle with that. All the timeis their days were all look, and I just can't think of a thing and it just youfeel so dry, but I think when you look at it you're like Oh, that's reallyfunny, but all that I could come up with one. I feel like most people havethat thought and those people have come up with one in their heads, but toactually go with it and build a page and start going with it and actually beconsistent is way more difficult than people. Imagine- and you know, mat an Iare in the kind of a group chat with a lot of big mean pages ones that are waybigger than we are, and it's so crazy to see like theystruggle to like they have days where they're, like man, I'm just not feelingcreative, I'm not feeling but they've been able to build it and a joy that itbrings people and the people who message and say like man like I washaving such a rough day. This turned it around. Like that's a powerful thing tohear yeah, I shouted at the Christian man, not I will get to the eliminatory.So I want to go back to what you said like everyone does probably think I canmake one, but it's the idea of being able to make one every day right. Youhave that that's kind of like what you have to e. You guys do or read three orfour at the forde and- and I want to talk about that, but also first of all,want to have one of you guys, maybe just give like a brief, quickdefinition of what is a mean, because I'm sure that there are some listeners,one that are probably hearing this man, man name and they're like what? Whatare they talking about? It a mean Les Fosterin Nowell, I mean I say in richestalkings Bois because he's the lot of coin at Erme, which is a social unitthat is, that spreads from one community to another. It's it'sbasically a virus so like vertes were you guys are fires for Jesus. This is getting real, weird a they would say, yeah, no, think that,just or like you know, take me Elmo to likeyou know that was that was technically imbent because it just spread and it just likecon like welfare, you know like or they say, hat cakes like you know somethingsells like Hoca. That's basically, I mean something that gets distributedand spreads quickly. So you know, but with me I guess is. Itapplies to an image. I like that's something, that's more well known onthe Internet, because it's something...

...that just it is it's just on theInternet. That's what you see on the is it me and I like to think of it personally,as when you're hanging out with some friends and the situation comes up, andit reminds you of that one pole from Dumon dumber and you're like inletswork out. You know he just drop one of those quotes an that's a me becauseit's like you re us, an image that recalls you to a place that you canconnect with a d and like there's just certain phrases that everybody knowlike you do the phrase we mission. You know exactly what the scene is from a D,so it's something that connects moments, culture and all this otherthings. I don't know that, like that's the closest of the scientificdefinition that that I'm aware of, but do you want to take a show? I alsothink it's interesting just how, in pop culture memes are because I feel, likeevery friend group has that picture in somebody's phone of that one friendthat looks really weird like this could be a mean. This could be the next thingthat blows up and I think there's that viral element to it, that it takesrandom people and these just weird photos of them and blows them up intosomething that that they never imagined. So I think there's something familiarand fun about it because, like it could happen to me, it could happen to myfriends and everybody loves putting their spin on something. So when animage goes viral- or you know, there's a weird type of way of editing an image,everybody loves to have their say and that's why it's so fun so to be, like.You know like mens for Jesus all the other Christian men pages. There aretaste makers in there who take those viral moments, put the Christian twiston it and do it in such an incredible way that it can bring people to Christ.It's so cool yeah, so cool! So is it as simple as taking this popular imagelike a picture of something and then playing the game caption this andthrowing in Hilarious, captions or like what is the art of creating a killer?Man? Is there or is there an art to it? Some people, like our buddy epicChristian, be shadow e bichrite musical, follow he's amazing. Like we talk abouthim all the time he's just like he just has the brain for it like, if you'reable to throw a quote that matches an image, your men Lord, and that is askill that is so hard to just like it sounds easy, but it's so difficult tomatch something like a phrase with an image so perfectly that it resonateswith someone on a deep level where, where many people understand it like, Ihave, I fall into the trap where I like to do really obscure inside jokes andand do weird stuff, and only like a couple thousand people are going to getit out of like millions. I love that, but like there's really, there is noreal algorithm that I'm aware of that. You can just say: If you do this, andthis then you'll get a viral men like if you put make a computer, make a mean it'll, itmight say something and might have an image to it or a video to it that mightapply, but like the type of humor that is accepted widely is worth that's thehard part because, like everybody, has different styles of humor, if to get a mean that everybody likesis hard like, I think it's the same thing like a comedian. He has to findsomething that is acceptable and palatable widely to his audience. Where there's some Comedians, you knowyou know, speaking of Dave Spell, he doesn't give. You know a crap aboutwhat he says, but there's actually like a lot of people that want that now andand they find that authenticity and they appreciate his humor. Because ofthat I love Dave Chapel I mean I don't agree with everything he says. There'sa lot I do, but it's like he's. He has that mind. He's a! U K, O comedicgenius, where he's able to literally say anything, and it still be mostlyacceptable. Everyone, I say mostly because right now he's in hot water butanyways you love, Dave, ship pell, but not Halloween. I will remember see the the interesting thing andreally difficult thing about running a page that that produces memes is to saysomething that hasn't already been said, yeah and like the one joke that you'llnever see me do on my page, because it's been done. A million times is thecarrying chairs joke by the way, Michael Shaffer graded, that joke hedid and at that joke. Are we talking about so there's a whole thing, becausein the youth group experience or like the church experience, there's a wholething with like setting up chairs and putting away chairs and teenagers wouldwant to do it quickly. I had this experience in my youth group too, soyou pick up as many chairs as you could to walk them back to the chair standard,Walk them back to where you put away the chairs and Michael made the joke onme, institues about like how it impresses girls, the more chairs ayouth group Guy, can carry the more impressive. It is for the youth group,girls, Ruth to me that that's just one joke that everybody's made by thispoint. So it's hard to find that joke that or that you know, thought thateverybody has. That hasn't been said already, and it's a really difficultthing to find, because nobody goes to a comedin because they say the same joke.You've heard a hundred times. They go...

...there because they're going to saysomething new they're going to say something surprising and that's whatyou have to find to be successful at any sort of humor based page, you can'tdo the same thing. Everybody else is doing. I've had a lot of pages, I'msure you get it too a lot of pages like they start up. They get five followerslike what do I have to do to be successful and I'm like stop beingeverybody else. Everybody can make memes anybody can do it a five year oldcould make a meme but to make ones that are unique and different that makepeople want to stick with you and keep coming back to your page is very, very,very difficult. Okay, now we're about to switch gears,because I've got to do a costume change. So if you're watching this right nowyou're about to see some magic happen, because now I am Burt Maclin and nowand just like that I am now owing grady from Jurassic or all that isn't thatcamera magic. Ladies and Gentlemen, has I've even brought blue's sister, here,green and and she's here to show off the training skills I've taught her howto walk. Okay, get back here, grain you're,getting a little too far. I've even explain why you have this well, okay. She doesn't even know howto stop. She, like, I said, still, training. Well, you know I figure it ifwe're going to do. The Halloween episode I am going to my Halloweencostume is Chris Pratt. However, I'm just going to go through this saga ofChris Pratt. Oh my God! That's so we started burt maclin. Now I'vewent on grade, but I'm still Chris Pratt anyways. So we're talking aboutmemes, I'm curious for you guys like because you say, like you guys, aredoing multiple names a day. So, are you guys putting out your own content likeevery single time or is there some sharing or, like you know, borrowingfrom other memes like what does an average day for meme account guys, looklike basically the eighty percent of our memes or originalcontent. It's such stuff that Mike and I create, and we fight about deliberate over very, very tirelessly every day and Christian and Curson kind mike overhere was saying like how he kind of just like is from thought to post,which is like how some pages do it, where we Mike, and I we have like asystem that if we both like it, then it you know most likely do good, but mostof the time it's like a heat like something more or I'll like somethingmore mostly if it's something that we make ourselves, you know that's justhow I work, but you know eighty percent of it is ours. Then there's a littlebit of it that stuff that we share from our friends that we like hey, go,follow our Buddy Shama go, I go, follow epico follow Christians occur sometimes,and you know stuff like that, and then there's submissions. We have a facebookgroup, that's like a community. It's called memes for Jesus posting becauseon facebook there's a lot of posting groups and I want to say what theactual term is, but the basically they you know we have user. We have Pmembers in the group that will submit memes and that will be on the feed. Butthen some means just stand out like like way more than others and we'relike hey we're, sharing this to the to the ORIGA official page and that's howthat works. But like that's basically our system right now,it's you know and then sometimes we do some ads here and there and peoplecomplain about that. But you know know what there memes as well. We make ourads as meets so cry about it and you do as I'm guessing just because you got tomake some money at some point right. You can't just be doing this for freeand hope that Mana comes from this guy. I mean that would be also be cool, but yeah I mean, I think that guy can alsoyou know, use ads to profit for us as well and most of the you know the eggsthat we that we that we share, we feel are helpful to our audience. We don'tfeel like it's just something that you know it's like hey by this dogtooth brush by this plunger for your toilet. It'sgoing to be great, you know, were very selective because every day, when youknow your page, that has a good good number you'll getpeople dmon be like hey. We have this new ring toss game that we think isgoing to sell really great with your audience is like A. I don't think so wehave you know we I mean I'm sure Chris is like to play ring toss, but not notwhen they have like expletive words written on them. You know to be justreally weird weird weird products. Yeah I mean your ads all feel on brand. Itdoesn't feel like when I'm going through your page scrolling that I seesomething- and it's just blatantly like. Oh, that is good like this- isobviously them getting paid to do, something that they don't even careabout, and that's not on brand. So you guys were talking earlier about theMEME Illuminati. Do is that the number...

...one factor for you guys having youraudiences grow as quickly as they have? Is that the only factor or is it justone of the many factors that have helped you guys in growing youraudiences? So I mean you guys, how long have you guys been doing this so mikestarted the page in two thousand and twelve okay? I came on like about fouryears ago, and the page was already big on Facebook, like I said Mike, FoundedChristian memes, so is the first one that is basically one of the first onesout there, so it was already a big page and then before the alumnae wasconstructed. There was other big pages that were around that you know we all were just like hey.Well, I shouldn't say we are. There was a page called Petty Christian Man,shout up there, petty Christian Rams, he started the men luminary and theyjust started adding big pages and then like. We started adding other pagesthat we really liked and it creit became. This big group chat onInstagram that we all talk about Christian memes and we all sharedifferent thoughts, and it's like a big old family and Christos Acar, sometimescame in what last year are gonna say that I'm in it I won't nother confirm nor deny theexistence of a Christian on Thee with it. I'm listening, I'm bad it secret,so y'all are going to do yeah. No, it's a really cool thing, and it's funnybecause, like I made my page totally on a whim,it was just like. I had no dreams that would ever become anything. I told mywife about. It was just like a funny joke for us and there was actually atime. I had run it for a couple months and then I ended up getting laid off for my joband I just like let it sit there. I was like this. It's just a thing. I triedthat was fun for a little bit and then I would just post whenever I felt likeit. If I found something that fit, I would post and eventually I started havingconversations with some bigger pages and it was petty Christian meams who Iwould talk with kind of casually just like getting to know him a little bit,and I made a joke to him saying that I said man, it just seems, like you guysall know each other. Are you guys all family or something, and he saidsomething about like well. This page is my brother. This page is my nephew andI was like shook and I was like wait a minute. Do you guys all like? Have somebig group chat? I'm sure I made some joke like that, and he goes like funny.You should mention, and then it went radio silent for a little while andthen before I knew it next day. I think I got an official invite to be a partof it and I was a smaller page at the time, probably four or five thousandfollowers, and I got this weird- invite An said you come in and they told methe whole initiation process which I had. I don't know that I can talk aboutthat. We can't talk that we can't talk about, but there is a weird likeinitiation process that I did and it was Super Fun, and you know these guysthat I didn't know a single person in that group. They were all strangers tome, but the cool thing about it is: We've got all sorts of differentbeliefs denominations upbringings, all sorts of different things. We becausewe do what we do. We have all these cool discussions about certain topicsabout things in Christian culture that a lot of times we don't agree on, butthe beautiful thing is, we all express our reliefs. We talk to each other, butwe all have a deep respect for each other, which is a really cool thing,because sometimes two people just go at it and they'll kind of be. Like ondifferent sides of a debate- and you know that they're doing it with arespect for each other- and I think that's something that you know relatesback to being married to- is you know a lot of times? You have arguments, butarguing can go two different ways depending on how you respect each other.If you have a deep respect for your spouse or for your friend, you canfight in a really great way, where you're not doubting. If that person'sgoing to hate you, if they're going to go, tell somebody else what you said.You know all these things that we overthink. If you have that deeprespect. All of a sudden, the argument becomes more beneficial and healthy,and I think that's what we have in this group like Matt and I have even talkedon this trip like we don't see eye to eye and a lot of stuff, but I don't seehim any differently. I think it's cool. I want to learn from him and I thinkwhen you take more of that into your life, it's really cool and theIlluminati is like the the perfect example of that, where I don't think,there's two people in the in that room that couldn't like go out to dinner andyou know, have a good dinner together and have like deep discussions. It's areally really cool thing now. You said something about an initiation process,because I ai, like the High Council of the aluminate. So I don't know if I cantalk about it, but I'm thinking like, as you were talking about it. I waslike this kind of sounds like very frat boy kind of thing. I'm like thinking ofmy head. I wonder if there's some kind of initiation to get into this likesecret society- and you confirmed yes, there is one is nothing but it'snothing super, but we should say if anybody can figure it out, they got toget some sort of prize because there's something that we all have donepublicly...

...yeah yeah. No, we can't. We can't talk aboutit, but like yeah there is. There is something that we all do or have done.I don't think anyone who would be able to figure it out. Do you, maybe maybenot there's been people that have figured stuff out that that haveastonished me so okay, so we can't talk about the initiation process. Can we atleast talk about how you guys will choose a random character or celebrity or whatever and say today weare going to all post about. I don't know. Hol, cogan or or O minion from deSpicion do thou like like what what is happening there, because I mean there'sso many people out there. They are probably thinking you know like Jameswas saying the other night. He saw all the memes with hole cogan and heliterally went to Google and typed in. What's going to you, Ol Cogan News likewhat's happening, yeah, that's so something new. I guess we started doingthat. You know it's just something. So we go through phases, and this is justthe newest thing that we do where it's like hey. Let's do this on acertain day and confuse everyone and that's kind of how we do it like it wasjust a random vote on WHO's. Next, like we've done a Calibrese Tidy Alex Jones Polk cogen, I can't remember anyoneelse, but yeah, it's just it's just something fun that we do and who knows what the next you know,phase that will go through will be, but that's what we that's, what we're doingright now, just for the Fenzi's. That's that that is fun. What did you guys dowhen facebook and Instagram went down? What will we were texting each otheryeah, because so that not many people know who I am I mean t at that's whyI'm wearing a masking even the people in the aluminate. I think they onlyknow my first name outside of that thin. They am one of the few people. So Mattis, I think, the only person who like has my phone number and that sort ofthing so when it went down he and I were texting back and forth and we werelike dude. It's been long enough that this is going to be like a pop culturething like we need to be ready with stuff to go and, of course he had liketen ready to go as I'm like thinking of it he's already miles ahead of me. Soit was just kind of it's weird, because when it's yourbrand and your job is social media, when it goes down like people jokeabout like being stressed out and all that stuff, but when it's a source ofincome for you and it's your job and that sort of thing it actually causes alittle bit of stress like I. On top of doing this, I work with other socialmedia clients where I helped them with their pages. So it created a lot oflike uneasiness, because there was so much fake news going out there about,like facebooks wold, be down for good, and he was one of the people who sentme the fake news, because member you said it and you're like is actuallythat's big news but yeah. It's weird because I thinkpeople learned how often they go to their phone to check it when it's down you learn how often and how addictedyou are that sort of thing, so it kind of led into a topic on my page, where Ilet people discuss in the stories like how to get off that addiction. Thatsort of thing like how do you know you love something versus being addicted toit, and we kind of talked about that difference in my instagram stories, buthe and I he had like genius stuff ready to go, and I was just trying to likefigure something out but he's like the master mind. Oh Man, so like one of thereasons Christians of chrisom times is in the Illuminati, is because he's ableto pull value out of just about anything and like, like you said hedoes these crazy things in his stories where he'll get people to engage onthese, you know seemingly innocuous topics, but will get amazingconversations out of them where Mike and I our thing is just like you know,I made a mean that was when facebook in Istra er down and comeback from the dead, but you serve a God who did it first and it's just likeCarlton. This is like and but yeah it's like that's. So that's one of thepurposes of the Illuminati is just like to really illuminate pages that we feel are highly valuableand and are actually Christian pages that are doing something and take theircrafts seriously, but yeah. That was a fun time. We has Matni, also every pagekind of has its own voice for like the type of humor that they do like they're,like the kings of like biblical humor at that sort of thing. The Way I viewwhat my page more is about Christian life, like I don't sit, and and dothings were like how David felt when he was thrown in the Lions Tent. Likethat's not what I do. I like making note of what it's like to actually be aChristian in the world so where their response was hysterical and they'relike well, we serve a God who who erase back from that first, which is awesomeI was saying, is like how would the actual Christian response? So I did avideo of a woman just completely sobbing on a doorway and wrote when youpray to God to get rid of your distractions and he takes instagramaway because it's like I'm sure people thought like. Oh Man, like we've allhad that thought like. I wish social me to go away, so I could spend more timein my Bible that when it actually goes away you'rre, like oh shoot, maybe ididn't want that and all the comments...

...people writing were like. No, i meantother distractions. Jesus yes, get rid of the other distractions, so we allhave kind of a different voice, even within christianity, that when thingslike that happen or was something big and pop culture, we can all have adifferent, unique voice. That's all equally funny in different ways: yeah-and you said like when that happened. All of the fake news started coming outand all the conspiracy theorists like came out from under their rocks. Youknow to get everybody thinking up. You know what is actually happening withfacebook. What's actually happening with a t was going on your deboia overhere, just taking over the ar lar, but there's a new thing as going on someneuroradiology, that's being but lo mus right now, it's going to turn everyonein the lizards and just let go. Look it up. Okay, look well, i'm curious, because i don't even know how you're laughingeli right now. What is real, okay, think it e thinis on. Do you think, isa joke, joe rogan, but this is real big. What's that beetle juice, you are from alex jones all juice, realquick. Do i'm pretty try the same same human same same being, but i'm justcurious. Are there conspiracy theories out there that you believe that mightbe more theory than conspiracy yeah they? Obviously the social media alogelike you guys, don't believe that there is anything more to that. But whatabout? I don't know. I m o talking about like legit conspiracy theories,because this is one of my favorite things to talk about in the world yeahand i'm talking about risk of giving away who i am because anyone who alwaysme knows their love conspiracy theories. So i could. But let me tell you, itotally subscribe to the conspiracy theory that beance was never pregnantif, if you've never looked at one up, look it up because there's some deepyoutube stuff, there's a video footage of her the hand is getting weird eleven. There's video put it to her when she islike sitting down for an interview and her stomach like folds in on itself. Soit looks like a fake belly when she was super pregnant and and then i startedputting together. I was like dude what if she was never pregnant like. Whywould she risk when her body is her brand? Why would she risk that was likeshe's probably got a suricate but wants to look like it was her so see? I lovegoing deep in that weird stuff, like the averlaine one is gold to that. Shedied in like two thousand and two and that she was replaced with like a bodydouble named melissa. This is like the craziest up. The other big one that igo. Nuts on is that michael jackson is diana ross's son, and if you've ever,you will go down the deepest rabbit hole ever when you look that up,because there's a whole conspiracy that she was super young got pregnant andthen the gave the baby to the jackson family and they raised him up and she'ssaid an interview. She's referred to him as her son and then like coveredher mouth like there's things like that, and she always went to a lot of hisstuff when he was a kid there's all this weird stuff out there but see yougot me going. You got me on, i love conspiracy theories, but not theserious ones. I don't like talking it serious ones. I like talking about thepop culture like weird ones like that katy perry was jean bene. That's theother one, that's just so ridiculous. I don't think i actually believe any ofthem, but they're fun to read about like so what you're saying? Is youdon't believe in any conspiracy theory? You know what i love talking about themnow, because the thing that messed with my mind is somebody told me they saidthey said when you talk about the conspiracy theories, the ones that arereally waco and the ones that are like political and all that, like some ofthem are probably true, we just don't know which ones and i was and that likemessed with my mind because it's likely true i'm sure there are conspiracytheories out there. That will end up being true some day or will have somesort of truth to them, but we just don't know which ones they are. That'swhy i think it's so fascinating. So this this triggers me just to talk ofconsidera theories, because i grew up charismatic pen, pentecostal spanishcharismatic for the costal, which is a whole another dimension of of crazinessand so like. I would go to guys like i don't know if anyone dowse ken hovenhe's like us, considers conspiracy theory mastermind, where he had mebelieving at twelve years old that the stickers behind the stop signs andstreet signs and stuff like that were directions to the closest military basein case of an alien invasion. I believe that so whenever there's anylike conspiracy theory like i have, i had to delete my brain that i that aremy brain, because i believe so much weird stuff, yep and- and you know now,i'm like total frozen chosen now and like so that part of my brain is likevery repressed and weird, but like yeah, one of the i'm trying to think of aconspiracy theory that i might believe, but i can't i just can't access thosedata thanks right now. Well, i mean for me, like i guess this i was maybe lastyear at some point, when the wayfare...

...conspiracy jes came out, my wife was sodeep into that she was reading all the articles. That was so weird is it yeahi mean they were selling cabinets or like items from their website way overpriced with really bizarre name with the names that matched up to missingkids, so they were thinking. Okay. Why are you? Why is anybody paying tenthousand for this cabinet? That's also five hundred la somewhere else on yourwebsite. It would be named like the ashley or something like that or likeit would have a weird name to mike yeah the mat, but it wasn't simple names. It wasusually like a unique name and then it would be a child that was missingsomewhere and then, if you, i guess, follow the tracking number from theitem and you put it into this website. It would lead you to that child missinglike their page. It was so weird so yeah, and i mean it ended up not beingtrue, though i think like did wafer came forward and then all of a sudden,all those things were gone like it was just very weird sure i mean if youngmary christian was doing something illegal and the press came after us forit. I would obviously say we're not doing that. So i mean i'm sure thatyou're not going to have anyone from wayfare saying all right, guys, that'swhat we were doing sorry. So it is interesting because, like you said whatis true, what is not true and for you guys being on platforms where you don'tcontrol like who is, you know like or somebody else is incontrol of if your accounts are allowed to see another day, is there like what are your guys as thoughts asfar as just social media, allowing what content can be seen banning accountsand deciding what is fact in fiction? It's that's a really good question.It's unfortunately, it's a really really difficult one to answer, because,like people love to get angry at the censorship, their one hundred percentneeds to be censorship. On social media, facebook has to keep off pornography,they have to keep off violence like. I don't want to see that when i log inand if someone gets hacked and someone's posting that stuff i want itto be taken down before i can even get to my eyes, like people, don't realizehow deep social media goes into that into their studies. Like the one thingthat i know is the first big pop culture instance of facebook. Censoringwas you probably remember this. I was in the late twoads when it was stillfairly new. Was women were protesting because facebook was blocking nibblesin breastfeeding photos? They said you couldn't post photos of breastfeedingand his women were like. Why not it's a natural, beautiful thing, so facebookhad to say well, they said like well, we don't allow genitalia or press likewell. Maybe we can allow them in some ways and maybe that's fine and they saylike as long as the vaves latched. Then you can post the photo and then womenwould be posting photos or like the baby, was clearly just feeding butwasn't latched and all these intricacies. I do not envy the peoplewho do that job like i've had post people get so frustrated when they havepost taken down for what seems like an unfair reason like i've had posts takendown, because i'm doing a thing were like. I want to laugh with christians,like i posted a f video of a really really bad parody, that some christiansmade that it was just kind of super cringe, and i posted the capture iwrote was like. No christians aren't that weird and then they were like alsochristians, and then i put like this really weird parody. It was taken downfive minutes later for hate speech and i looked at it and i was like i couldsee how someone might think that, because it could seem anti christian,but because they don't know my page, theydon't know what i'm doing that sort of thing. It makes it more complicated. Soi've had a bunch of posts taken down for hate speech or whatever i appealthem. Sometimes i get put back up. Sometimes they don't, but there's no way for a tech giant to tellintent behind posting something and that's where it gets tricky. So youcan't be hurt or offended when something gets taken down. It justmeans they're being extra careful and they want to make sure if you appeal itand then they still say no, that's a totally different thing. Because fromwhat i understand, that means a human being has looked at it and taking alook at your page and then chosen. If it should stay up or not, i don't knowhow often that happens to you guys, it's very rare. It's like once everyother month or something yeah. We had one so there's a meme templet wherethere's a guy his face is just saying yes, it's called yes, chad he's likeyes, basically agreeing with something that normally would be controversiallike, for instance, you know. Oh you mean you believe. Everything in thebible, like the guy that on the left panel, will be some screaming. You knowscreeching guy crying, like you mean you believe everything the bible says,then without question and the guys just like yes that so we did a mean. That was likethat, where the guys like just saying, christians are just sheep and the guyslike yes, o for literally thi sheep,...

...the the in need of a shepherd, and sothe facebook algorithm took that down and said it was hate speech againstchristians because they couldn't see the intent. They couldn't see that itwas satire and unless you're the freaking babylon b with boko bucks tojust say you know, fend off the facebook algorithm. Somehow pages likeus are just going to get violations for dumb stuff like that. But i agree withmichael here that you know there should be censorship. Some of you all havenever seen luny vision and his shows like they have dead bodies on the newsin venezuela like mutilated bodies, they'll just show it t e with nowarning whatsoever. They got you know overseas. The they'll just show thatstuff to you because it's like well, we feel a god.I don't know what the reasoning is, but you know we are very protected and it'sa good thing. I don't want to see that. I don't want my kids seeing that, but you know i know, there's levels ofcensorship that people would argue with. There are some great areas and ibelieve in freedom of speech, but i also believe that a private company hasthe right to its own property and it's you know what they allow customers todo on their on their on their product. So it's like you know. In the same way,i believe a baker should be able to turn away business. I think that facebookinstagram reserve the right to say you can post this and you can't post thatit does get a little tricky. You know you go down the good because sparsytheory whole talking about well, you know big teck owns this, like, i thinkyou know guys like ale jones might have and we're going to get demonoi for thissypolis put this on youtube: you're, not making any money off of it. Not anymore but like yeah like alex jones, has a point when it comes to big tech. Thatis a thing like that's a there there is. There are social media platforms likefacebook and instagram and then both facebook, i guess incorporated that isso powerful that there's billions of people on there. You know most of theworld is on this platform, and you know there's really not muchcompetition or there's really no other platform, oryou can say you can meet just about anybody in the world on there, and i mean it's a good thing, but it'salso a scary thing: the amount of power they have. It's like. What do you dowith that? Yeah? We a people, don't like to admit this, but or like tobelieve this, but when you upload a photo to any most of the large socialmedia platforms when you upload it, they scan that photo to like make surelike they look at the metadata where it was taken that sort of thing, but theyalso look for anything in the image that might be like they of scanners.For like genitalia stuff, like that, like that's, why, if you ever try toupload something graphic to instagram, it won't go up, and if it does, itwon't be up for very long, but the one platform has done a fantastic job atthat is tick tock. I have never seen anything graphic on tick tock likeborderline stuff, with like dancing stuff like that, yes, but what they dois when you upload a video, if there's nothing weird about it, whatever it'llgo up right away, but if you upload anything that has any sort of wordphrase image anything that could vaguely be seen as anything negative.It actually won't go, live right away and it'll say your videos under reviewcheck back for when it's posted, so they don't even let it go up until ahuman being has seen it most. Videos are innocent and they go up right away,but i've had stuff for clients that i've had and for my own page, wherei'll put it up- and it just has one word that is innocent but could betaken certain ways or whatever and an hour later, it'll be up, and i'm soglad that they do that, because tick tock is a platform where you swipe andyou see people you don't follow. So you don't know it's built on followingstrangers and seeing their humor their point of views. That sort of thing soto do that and to do as good of a job as they're doing me just sing randomstuff and never seeing anything too graphic like hats off to them. It'samazing, whatever they're doing yeah i mean, and what i like to do is putmyself in the company's shoes. It's like how would you handle millions ofpeople uploading material to your platform like i know, twitch has someissues to it, like the some people feel like they're super strict, i know taketalk, feel like i mean a lot of people feel that take tak a super strict aswell, which i think they can be in a lot of instances but like how do you?How do you juggle controlling an audience of people that that's postingon your platform that are always towing the line, especially sexual stuff, likeon twitch like there's, this whole thing where people are just like girls,mostly apology, my apologies but they're, trying to get they're tryingto thirst, trap and they're trying to do as best as they can to get that thatmoney to the line between twitch and only fans so that, where they'regetting you know the twitch audience but but not being registered, you knowwithin the full, only fans, you know...

...sexual exploitation area and then ticktack. I think they're just they're very, very, like strict, because they'll takestuff down, even if it resembles violets or anything like that. So idon't know like how would you do it? I would that's why i like to say like whywould you do it? How would you run a multi billion dollar company that hasbillions of people uploading? I would you do it yeah i mean it's also, thereason a lot of people aren't staying on twitter. It's the reason my twitteris a very unique odense because they allow pornography on twitter, oh yeah,and they allow violence on twitter, and that shows like because that one isn'tseen as the same like monster that facebook, instagram and tick tack allright now, like it's big, it's huge, but it's almost on its own littleisland compared to everybody else, because it has its crowd there thatlikes it that understands it, but moms aren't going to go there. Like you know,people who want to get away from that stuff, because you can't control whatpeople retweet and if they're not they've, made the decision as abusiness not to take down pornography or violence, they leave it up andthat's their right to do. But i don't like going on there. For those reasonsi have one. I look at it once in a while, if something's going on ontwitter, but i never hang out there and i think that's what i hear from a lotof other people too, and i think that just the way that i relate to all ofthis conversation is that i mean working for disney for five years. Yousee somebody walking around with, like literally i saw somebody with like themicky hand, with the shocker, and that guy was immediately told to flip hisshirt out or like disney literally, you know wouldgo, buy him a new shirt to wear, because you can't wear certain thingsaround a family friendly park, whereas maybe your local mom and pop amusementpark or your you know local, fair there they're not going to have that strictof you know, security and people can walkaround with all kinds of things on their shirts. But it's like the biggerthat you get probably the more censorship you have to have to be ableto keep your brand and so very interesting that you guys put it intoperspective. It's just sometimes weird when you think about like the littlepeople out there that might have you know a few dozen followers and they'restill getting banned and their accounts taken down because of you knowsomething they posted it's like. Is that really having that big of aneffect? But when you think about having censorship and keeping you know yourplatform consistent, it makes sense, and i think that's why, with young marychristian, we've put our content on so many different platforms, and you knowtrying to hope like okay. If one goes down, we still got these other ones. Iknow matt, you guys have a well both of you guys have podcast but matt yourpodcast names for jesus. It was going steady and strong and then all of asudden that last episode kind of left us on a cliff hanger and it's been awhile what's going on with me- is for jesus podcast, so i'll just going tosay this: okay, we are gearing up to do something really different and reallynew, and i can't say when it's going to happen, but it's going to happen soonand if you see us make you know crazy, big changes. You know you heard it yourfirst and young married christian podcast, but yeah. That's what we're gearing upto do, something really big and really really different were take. We want totake a really nice new, fresh direction on a lot of things so and i'm really really excited about it,but i just there's not much. I can say about it. Unfortunately, so manysecrets that can't be told just yet i'm sure that they will come out eventuallywe're super excited, and i not he knows so. We just got to figure out what theinitiation process does get into the aluminic. Much like our salvation. No, you are elected for those that areelected now into the eliminating camper destination. Here we go so mike. I knowfor you, you do something very interesting with your blogs, because alot of times when you go on to a christian blog site, you're, notanticipating, to see a venom to a movie review and then one of the other poststhat really intrigued me and i was telling you the other night. It was thereason why i started watching squid game was that you literally went fullon in to making a post about squid game and- and you and i were kind ofdiscussing like why you do what you do like why you cover these,like you know, i'm going to say non christian, you know pieces of media.Can you talk into that and, like the demonisation of those yeah, you know itall started from me wanting to create what i feel like i didn't have and ifeel like christian movie reviewers when they talk about movies that aren'tchristian. They just want to give it like a rating for like how bad it is towatch like how much sex is in it. How much violence is in it and that's whatmost christian movie reviewers are doing right now, or they won't eventouch it with a ten foot, pull because everybody knows there's going to beviollence or a lot of sex in it and...

...they never talk about the quality. Theynever talk about. How good a movie is, and the thing that changed myperspective a long time ago was when you realized that if someone were tomake a movie about the bible start to finish, that movie would be rated x. Itwould very the c seventeen we to be able to accurately show the culturalviolence, the cultural, sexuality and stuff that happened in the bible. Youcould not put that movie out safely for families to view, because there's a lotof bad people in the bible and in order to show good prevailing there has to bebad and christians are so bad when somethingcomes out and pop culture or anything happens in society. They want todemonize it so quickly, like i've, seen so many posts about squid game wherethey talk about how? Oh it's demonic, because the front man has this mask andbow and it looks like a demon master. It must be demonic. So i'm not watchingthat whole thing. A hundred percent and i haven't met many christians in my life who look atthings that are out there and say i want to find biblical truths that areout there in these movies and if we start doing that, there are beautifulconversations we can have about faith about scripture started by things inpop culture. Like i talked about that you know that show squid game and inthe article you read, i watched it and i was like man what a like there arebeautiful stories of forgiveness in there. There are beautiful stories ofredemption like there are stories in here that you can relate back to thebible and have those discussions about it's like. If we block so many thingsfrom christians and from our kids, then we can't safely prepare ourselves tolive in this world like their opportunities like when an awkwardscene comes up and you're. You know you're a teenager and you see anawkward scene with your parents, and you're like this is weird, like youknow that nightmare that every team has, when you're watching with your parentsin a sex scene comes up. You like, oh, no they're, going to say something likeyou should be able to have healthy conversations about that. Where, ifthere is, you know, premarital sex happening in a movie where your parentscan say to their kids be like what do you think about that? Do you think thatthat's something that people should strive for? Why do you believe that,like they can be spring boards into beautiful conversations, but becausewe're so quick to demonize we're stuck with just awful christian media thatdoesn't push the limit? That's just safe and easy and is just like a bibleverse in a movie and there's nothing edgy about it and no conversations inthere that we haven't already had a hundred times, and i think that until christians startpushing the limit, we're just going to keep getting more mediocre christianmovies and television shows. I can only name two christian movies or telligent showsthat i think are actually high quality and good and that's veggietales and andthe chosen and i haven't even seen the chosen, but from what i know prince ofegypt. Okay, okay, i i'll give you that one ye three okay he's three niceprince of vertu, egypt, yeah, but also those three things. The chosen takessome risks and how it tells its stories from what i understand like veggietales, took some risks and how it told its bible stories it put like littletwist on it. That probably would have upset a lot of boomer christians hadhave been released today and like they take some liberties in telling thosebible stories. So it's really fast to me. So when youthink about the movie industry, apart from christianity, the things that aresuccessful in the movie industry are the big movies that take big risks.They put a lot of money into something they take a big risk and you get thesebig victories and these big failures, the things that don't do well, are thecompletely mediocre. You know what's going to happen, boring movies and,unfortunately, in the christian world, is exactly the opposite. The the moviesin christian culture that sell today that people watch are the most mediocrebland pieces of junk i have ever seen like. I hope. No one from pere flix islistening. Most of it is complete garbage on that. It is just completeemotional drivel there, actually, our entire audience, and this i'm sure theyare about that thing. I would say this to the peer flak ceo like we need to.We need to challenge it a little bit, but the problem is: is behind a basket o youlou, but until christian, when youput out a christian movie, why would i want to make it good? Because i knowchristians are going to buy it and watch it even if it's mediocre. So whyshould i take a risk and that's why we're stuck with so much like blandmilk, toast christian media, because it's the same thing with christianradio, like you, don't hear christian radio taking risks in any way? Andthat's why i mean the reason we have jokes out: there's because there's akernel of truth, people joke about christian radio, only playing the sameten songss and having boring bland djs.

Because a lot of that's true and untilchristians start saying you know what we want to see some good stuff we'renot going to support god's, not dead. Seventeen we're going to wait untilsomething good comes out, and until we do that, we're just going to keepgetting mediocre content god's not dad is trying to catch up with. Now. That'swhat i call music. So do you think that, because nowyou've got my brain thinking when you say that they don't makequality content because they know that who they're making the movie for isjust going to go out and see it? Is it similar to like a w, like back in theday, wwf n, w c w? They made some of the best content in the s because theyhad a strong competitor, then you're, either watching this or you're.Watching this, though, at the same time same night of the week, do you thinkthat if there's more christian studios out there putting out content that atsome point it's going to get to a point where, as a christian, you can't watcheverything? So you got to pick and choose, or do you think that that'snever going to happen that we just actually need to realize? Hey god wantsus to give our best and have quality content. No, i think absolutely because,like the chosen is kind of the first show, that's challenging that inchristian, because every that's what i said like, if you ask somebody to talkabout like the christian movies they, like the last christian movie, they'veseen they just say it was good. It was okay. I liked it. It's usually positivewords, but aren't like oh my gosh. That movie like changed me. I had a greatconversation with my spouse about it man, i just can't stop think about. Ihad to watch it ten more times like. I can't remember the last time anyone'sever said that about a christian movie. The chosen is starting to do that. It'sit's groundbreaking, look is it. I feel bad because i haven't seen it yet, butfrom what i understand it's trail blazing into this territory where theyare taking risks. They are taking liberties with the stories. They arestarting conversations and people are getting excited about it. So i thinkthat kind of spark can start something, but they've got to keep doing it andkeep consistent, because i don't want him to be a flash in the pan and thenwe just go right back to making mediocre romantic comedies where youknow they kiss at the end and everybody's happy and they hold handsin a church few worshipping together. So i want things that actuallychallenge what it's like to be a christian that actually shows christianstruggles. It's the same thing with it with christian radio like their theyjoke about their marriages a little bit, but i don't know that i've ever heardof christian dj talk about like yeah. We actually had a really hard time. Mywife and i went to marriage therapy. Like i don't know the last time. I'veever heard that kind of real conversation in christian radio. Well,if they do it's always in vague imagery, like you know guys, sometimes we gothrough the storms yeah since i personally haven't there's just times that or you know thewaters start rising guys. You know what i'm talking about like no real likelike pin point accuracy and if they were referring to an actual trial likewith speci specis specificity. It's like guys just keep me in prayer. Mydog he's just he's not digesting food like he used to, and i got to take himto the vet and it's just it's got. It's been on my heart, just a cray, for youknow i like that. That's a christian movie right there, like what you justdescribed like they'll, be like. Oh, it's great christian movie. Guy has asick dog and the they pray over. The dog bring him to the vet and he isbetter yeah and gay praise god at the end like that, would make money inchristian media, and that makes me so mad banging the table, like a madman, he'svery passionate, see. Okay, i'm curious about this. You talk about having anauthenticity that is just more real than what we're used to, but would yoube okay with being at a church and the worship leader before they start saying?Hey guys just want to let you know i'm here to lead you and worship, but i'mstruggling with, if i even believe in god right now. I think that's, i think, there's aninteresting juxon of that. I think if you are in leadership of a church,there is nothing wrong with taking a break to figure things out, and youknow admitting, like hey, i'm struggling right now the church wasmeant to be a community that helps each other in those struggles. So i thinkthere needs to be that authenticity where we feel comfortable telling ourchurch what we're struggling with, but in running my page, like one thing thati do fairly frequently is. I have people share their secrets and i justsay like what have you not told anybody and then i just post them out there forpeople to see and every time i do it. It completely breaks my heart becauseit shows that we are not at a place as christians, yet where we have thatcommunity, because i hope one day i post that question and i don't get asingle submission because everybody is in in in beautiful communities wherethey can say, hey, i'm really struggling. I messed up. I don't knowwhat to think about god any more, and i want to find answers. I think there'sthere's a real rawness in that that people will. I come around them andhelp them, because i always think if...

...someone told me that i would want tolike take them under my arm, hear their story help them figure it out. I don'tthink i have all the answers, but i want to help them find somebody whodoes whether that's therapy, whether that's a pastor or a mentor or a friend,a family member. I want to get them connected if they're hurting and thefact that there are people in church who are scared to talk about whatthey're, what they're struggling with, because they've never heard. Anybodyelse talk about that. That's where we just get in a cycle of loneliness,because when you see the christian movies christian radio, all that stuff,you don't hear those issues talked about. Thus people think i'm alone, andnobody will understand what i'm going through. So i'm never going to tellanybody until they either get caught or have some sort of episode or somethinglike that until it gets to a point where it's really bad, and i wish therewas a point where someone could say like hey, i'm having really bad anxietycoming to church this morning. Can i will like? Will you bring me and likewalk out with me? If i can't handle it like? How amazing would that be? If wecould have that conversation openly and that's where i think christian medianeeds to set the example by starting those conversations showing thesepeople, they aren't alone showing these people that there is hope and they canget help. We just need to start building those communities and themedia can be the trend setters for that man yeah. I love it. It's like a churchto point o or like what you want. The church not should be church. One pointno like that. It shouldn't be church two point now. This is what i how it'ssupposed to be from the beginning. I want to bring. I want to brag on mychurch a little bit because i feel, like my church, does a really good jobof this from the leadership. They are very transparent. Why shouldn't sayvery, but there you know they will allude to the fact that they have deepstruggles and they will tell from the pulpit say you know these are strong.These are i have these struggles in my life, and these are normal. These arethings that we can cast before the lord, and you know trust him even through the midst ofthem, even if they aren't removed, where i feel like a lot of churches through, like the ages, have embraced atype of certainty and like an almost like an impervious defense or a perfection where you know that ifyou're a man of god, there should be nothing you're struggling with, youshould be completely anxiety. Free, actually, anxiety is a sin. You knowwhat i mean and that's what a lot of churches, i believe, at least in theamerican church that we have grown up in i've e grown up in. I feel likethat's the thing where you cannot show vulnerability from the pulpit. Youcannot share struggles whatsoever and, as a church, congrist congregate, youshouldn't either and it's you know any type of weaknessthat you show within the church you're, not a real christian, because youshould have the joy of the lord. You should have the strength that you knowovercomes or the piece overcomes understanding, but i just i don't feelthat that is biblical. Like you have the prophet jeremiah who was called theweeping prophet, the dude was depressed, the dude was hurting and you know thelord. I don't think ever delivered him. You know samson as well. You know the.I don't think the lord ever delivered him from certain things he delivered.He used him and he delivered him through certain things, but i don'tthink as christians we can say. I know with absolute certainty that i will nothave any struggles in my life. I think of anything that is sinful, as thebible says that he who says he's without sin is a liar and i think welied to each other when we act like there's nothing wrong. There's noissues whatsoever in our homes, there's no struggles but yeah. I want to shouton my church community vangilt evangelical church because i feel likedo a great job of that, and it's helped really ease me as a former pastor goinginto ministry again, or you know, into church again and seeing that it can bedone and so yeah so yeah, and it's good to hear that there's churches out therethat are doing it the way that it should be done. One of the things thatyou talked about mike was when watching films with your kids, that being anopportunity to talk about sex with them and i'm sure that we're not all outthere as parents just trying to watch movies with sexual scenes so that wecan have a conversation with our child. But i'm curious: do you think that itis a hundred percent just strictly the parents job to talk about sex withtheir kids? Or do you think that the church should also be having thoseconversations? Or do you think it's not even the parents, job at all and achurch should be handling sex completely like where, where do youfeel like that, balance should be? First of all, i don't purposely show mychildren's sexual content- let's just let's just get it like. There needs tobe something between totally keeping your kids in a bubble and like watchingwhatever they want like. There needs to be that healthy, cut kind of middleground. You, nice t you're, not turning hbo on late at night, exacting kids sitdown, we've got to have a not they need to have; they need to have a filter,but when kids become teenagers and have an interest about things in pop culturethat their friends are doing, they want to watch something. You know thingslike that. You just need to. We need to give them the right tools, yet if theydo stumble across something they probably haven't seen that they canknow how to handle it and know how to...

...have a conversation about it in ahealthy way that that's my only thought on that, but when it comes to whoshould be teaching sex, the thing that i've learned is that it shouldn't beonly one. I think parents need to do it. I think the church needs to do it and ithink schools need to do it and i think all three of those together is abeautiful formula, because parents can teach here's what what you know yourmother and i believe, here's what we believe the bible says. I think thechurch can give a beautiful talk on. You know the spirituality of sex andthe intimacy of sex and what the bible says about sex and then the school canteach about the biology of sex like there's, unfortunately, that schoolpart is missing for so many people and there's a huge movement now againstpurity culture. I mean we see it all the time in our page. It's such a hugemovement, because some people were more on that sheltered side and we're onlyexposed to some extreme biblical view points. I think there are some churchesthat did a great job with purity culture, but i think a lot of them didan awful job and they only hear one point of view and they're told thispoint of view. Is the correct one? Don't even research the other point ofviews, you don't even want to hear what they have to say, only listen to thisone and when you block people out and then all of a sudden they go to college,they go out in the world and they're like wait. Wait, wait, wait! This seemskind of positive. What they're saying! Why didn't what? How does that makesense that it's negative and then they throw the baby out with the bath waterand all of a sudden they start questioning everything so to have thatmix of you know your family, what they believe your church, what they believeand then biologically in school like we should be teaching people what happenswith their bodies. There are people who get married, who don't know how to havesex that that seems so mind boggling to say, but on my page i do a sex qa everyonce in a while with an expert who's. A doctor in sex therapy is a christian aswell, so he gives beautiful perspectives and i legitimately getquestions from christian saying i am going to get married and i don't knowhow sex works. These are grown adults who don't know, and it's because theywere raised in these cultures where it just was never talked about, becauseit's dirty, you should never think about it. You should never talk aboutit, so there needs to be that male ground. We should not be only talkingabout the biological aspects of sex because there's more to sects than thatwe should be, including all of it together to make this kind of beautiful.You know platter of what sex should look like when it's done in a healthyway and spiritual way. Yeah. Can we just take a quick, willman andinstitute o t law and chop this man's hands off cause just keep hanging onthe table like? What are you are you you know you you want to know christosoccur. Sometimes real identity he's actually donkey car. I just my handit's on got a mask out, i'm turning. My i, with my head, is getting ready foruniversals at the universal. Oh, my gosh, but you know i agree witha lot of what mike said over here. I think i, i think, primarily a child's understanding and their developmentalunderstanding and view of sexuality. Prime comes primarily from the family that is, there's just documentation tosupport that, and you know, secondarily through their friends and there, andyou know, through school interactions and things like that. I am definitely a supporter of knowledge and and exposure to different views,but i believe that you know within the home it should be established that youknow this is what we believe. This is what i believe you know scripturallyhow we should conduct ourselves sexually, and you know my son when hegets older, i'm going to teach him the way. I believe i should have beentaught. I would have liked to to just have a type of through the spirit ofself control. I believe you know there's books like every man struggle,which i believe you know that it is definitely more of a man's struggle tohave that level of self control. That that permits a holy and healthylifestyle, where you commit yourself as a man to save yoururges and your desires for your spouse. That's my conviction now what hementioned: purity culture, it's something that you're seeing within alot of deconstructing christians, they'll, say well, you know like, forinstance, one of our ads will do is for a porn blocker and whenever we'll postit they'll be somebody in the comments parody go jerry and like what they'resaying is that you know? Essentially you shouldn't be telling me if i shouldwatch porn or not you shouldn't be it's a don't to likechurch is, should tell people what to do with their body. Yeah, that'sessential. That's like there ay! That's like they're they're. You know thetherdeconstructing, so hard that it's like anti biblical anti scriptural, becausethere's so i think the bible is extremey, clear on how how well weshould maintain the things that we view.

You know that i will not let no impurething come into my eyes. You know, i think, that's pretty clear, like weshouldn't and also bible, also references. You know, saving you know, saving yourself for to keepthe merit, keeping the marriage bed pure, where i think there's a lot ofdeconstructing christians that have have that are saying are demonizinganything that has to do with maintaining your purity as a christianand being wholly to the point where it's like. Well, i should just be ableo do whatever i want. You know, don't condemn the things that i want to do,i'm figuring out my own body and they feel, like you, know the the antijoshua harris movement where josh bahars is like i'm not even going tokiss my wife to you know it's like. We have to find a balance there and ithink a healthy balance is you know telling the kids look. We need to haveself control, of course, but also- and you know, educate yourself in a healthyway, because some people would say well. Por is educational. Now, it's that youknow. That's like watching fasten the fears to educate yourself to be. Youknow a taxi driver, it's like no, it's not works is not not who you are as aperson. You know there should be a healthy emphasis on how, to you know, be asexual human and a christian at the same time, because there, i think, a lot ofchurches they've instituted. You know the purity culture, that a lot ofpeople are deconstructing from to the point where it's like you know, girls have to wear super longskirts and they get they venture a more on the legalistic side where you know, and menneed to dress with ti suit and tie. You know the collars shirts and the ties atall at all times, because it's modest, because it's this in that, i thinkthat's a bit controlling. I think that there's setting a standard,that's that- can be unreasonable in certain in certain areas but yeah. Ijust think that the the title of the book every man'sstruggle, i think, is the perfect description to how we should you know, handle our sexuality, becausei think i really truly believe that every person's sexuality is is theirstruggle, belongs to themselve. Certain people have different desires. Certainpeople have different urges that they they need theholy spirit to tackle them, and i think jackie hill perry conquers thisextraordinarily ali. Now a lot of people find her to be controversial,but she says you know god never called us to bestraight. He called us to be holy. You know, as a christian, we should pursueholiness more than anything he didn't call us to be. You know something thatwe identify as like in nowel. Ty is an identity. Now it's something that makesyou as a person, but as a christian, our identity is found in christ. Youknow we're found in christ all everything that we are that's it's inchrist, and so we should pursue christ like behavior, first and foremost, rather than in itpicking. You know we we you wear this, do you go here? Do you do that? Do youyou know in your relationship to you would go this far. You know, i think every person needs todiscover their identity within christ and then pursue that ham. Then yeah. Iam about to do an identity change myself. So this will be the last time you seegreen. I should be the last time that you see o angarad and just like that. I have nowcontinued to be chris pratt, but now a star lord with my friend grout.Hopefully group can stay on my shoulder the entire time. Great. You think youcan do that. I am gret all right. Well, that's good! So we were talking aboutfor the people that aren't watching this they're, probably just like whatis happening and- and i really hope that it makes them go to youtube andlike look at our crazy costumes and everything and honestly, i just want toget chris pratt's attention so that when he comes to universal for theopening of the super nintendo world and the mario stuff that you can be there,because i was waiting for him for velosa coaster and he never showed upbecause of ovid, apparently anyways, we something to say about chris prat rythe way. Oh, i actually he liked. One of my comments no way i cried. Iscreamed you a connection. You got to hook him on a sh. I wish man so he hadlike a weird make. My facebook cover photo photoshop challenge, and i madethis crazy insane thing where it was like philosophaster steaks, antlersguns like all this crazy stuff that he likes to do and like all of hischaracters. It was just a huge hodge podge of images of stuff that he's beeninvolved with, and i submitted it on the thread and he liked it, and i waslike oh way, i want to add some more stuff. I added another one and he likedthat one too. He was like i like this one, but he didn't choose it. Heactually commented and said i like this one, but wait was that yourjustification? Why you don't have connection with him because he didn'tchoose your allright chris prit, you missed out on the opportunity anddidn't choose my yeah, but i still have the image of the notification sayingchris fret, like your comment and itt,...

...was like a well well before i did my completecostume change. Here we were on the topic of sex and who should be teachingsex to your children. I am going to take this a step further and kind oftalk to parents that maybe have teenagers that are, or maybe even olderthan teenagers that are starting to get into dating apps and there their online with you know, kind of seeking afterrelationships and maybe they're on christian, dating apps. But i know thati read an article and it might have actually been years mike where you weretalking about even on christian dating apps. There are penis picks by beingsent from from guys to girls, so i would like for us to just not only talkto the guys but or talk to the girls but kind of talk to both sides of likeokay guys. Why are you doing this and talk into that, but also talking to thegirls of like you know how? What should a girl do with that? So i like to thereason that article came up, was i like to do christian dating horror stories.It's always great, we're weird. As christians, we got to laugh atourselves a little bit and i love having people share. Those like weirdstories that they feel like is unique to them that we all find funny. Youknow the god told me. I had to date, you kind of stuff, so people sharethese really great things, but the one thing that i thought was so weird was:all these women were sending me stories about guys sending them photos of their genitals, and they saidi went to christian dadian because i didn't want to have that happen anymoreand it still happened. Yeah they don't do it in tap. I think there's all sortsof filters or whatever for photos, but they told me the like. No, they likeeventually text it to me or something like that and they're like i'm just sobomb like. I thought christian men were above that, but so i got an idea like i got to figureout why christian men are doing this, so i googled the research that's beendone on men who send penis pictures and alike turns richard pictures. Okay,it's more like! Okay, if you know what i mean. Ah, i guess so. Men who sendrichard pictures so rich picks yes, but poor in cotten what they foundabout. They found that fifty percent of men have sent one in their lifetime andthey found that the cut yes busily. That means i'm putting on a fiftypercent, including married potune, married people. People have dated, likethose sorts of things to the sin, fifty percent of men have sent one and theylooked for the commonalities of that fifty percent, especially the ones whodid it while they were like in early stages of dating, and they said thethree traits that they found from the man who's most likely to send. It isnarcissistic young and has sexist tendencies, and when i read those threethings i was like. Those are three things that christians also can be tolike it, and in some of those things it can be worse and they studied these menabout why they were sending it to and what they found was a lot of men sendit as a compliment to the woman, which is mind blowing to at an odd compliment.Yes, they pena compliment yeah, but they said i e an. I o way that they're,like weird in appropriate primal brain says, like i'm, attracted to you you'rean attractive person, so its cept. For that reason, but alsoto get something in return, whether it's a photo or a date or somethinglike hey, i've just been vulnerable with you, be it with me. I'm not sayinglike it's completely wrong. It's like a man logic, but i think people need torealize that christians are not above struggles. Christians are above doingbad things. Christians are not above being predators like people can havejesus associated with their name and make mistakes, but also be bad. Peopletoo, and i think when people go into dating apps, they have this highstandard of the men are going to be different. The women are going to bedifferent, but unfortunately you're going to find a lot of the same issuesthere, because we struggle with a lot of the same things that everybody elsedoes so until we start bringing attention to that. When you have yourexpectations in the right place, we need to start calling it out. We needto start doing better and we need start preparing people to know like hey. Thiscould happen, you're, not completely safe. Just because something sayschristian on it. Does it mean it's a good thing, and does it mean thatyou're going to have a one hundred percent positive experience? It's theimage of perfection that christians put out there that i think kind of handlesthis, and this is why you see a lot of deconstruction. You see. A lot ofpeople running away from faith is because when the standard is perfectioneverybody fails and when a church, an individual church has a standard ofperfection, then, when a pastor fails or a prominent member of that communityfails, people are like well, what does it say about everybody else andeverybody's all of a sudden in that same standard? So we have to changethat perception to being what the church is actually told to bebiblically, which is where broken people? It's that common phrase. I'veheard like a church isn't a museum of perfect people. It's aa hospital forthe broken and when we start viewing...

...the church as a hospital for the brokenand actually put that image out there into the world, that's when it's goingto start becoming a more positive place, but unfortunately we have thatperfection thing right now that if you step away from christianity and kind oflook at it from the outside, looking in that's what we have, and we have torecognize that, first and foremost, if we're going to get better as christiansand we're going to evangelize effectively to the world, we have toknow how they see us, because i don't want to go to somebody who has thatimage of christians of oh you're, just going to try to make me perfect becausethat's unattainable, it's unattainable! For me, it's unattainable for them. Sowhy is that the standard? So when we put that standard on dating apps onanything with a christian label, we're doing damage to ourselves, yeah yeahand i and for me like, i have never sent a rich pick as you can. I haveeither eat me either. I was gonna say i just want to get that out there foreveryone to know. We are not a part of the other. Fifty percent we're part ofthe good fifty percent, but i'm curious to like. Yes, that's not something i'vedone, but, and i think that it's bad, but there are things out there that ihaven't done that i don't know, are they bad? Are they good and i'm goinginto the topic of sex toys? Because in my previous marriage we didn't use sextoys, and maybe that makes me boring you guys don't have to talk aboutwhether or not you use them in your own marriages. But it was a question thatyou posted actually last night about whether or not it's okay to use them aschristians, and it was like so split, and so it makes me believe that there'sa lot of people out there that are probably using them and think they're.Okay, there's probably people out there that are thinking you're going to hell,for even you know thinking about using them. So i'm curious, if you guys, havean actual stance on them, regardless of if he use them or not all right. I wantto adventure into alex jones territory here a little bit because x, but it'snot going to be singing at all, because a were going back to elon musk. Youknow he is creating a neural. What is it i forget what it'scalled? It's like a neural thing that you put nero link, that's what it'scalled in your head and they're saying it's like the first step towards mybrain. I don't know the big words now, but it's basically synthetic humanswhere we're taking a step towards uploading consciousness to fakehumanity like fake bodies where you know we will no longer be human. Wewill be, you know, basically robots with humanconsciousness uploaded into them through data, as essentially where alot of people say. Future may be headed and depending on what that looks likeand how we will be subservient to or integrated into machines. That's awhole long, crazy subject that you know obviously alex jones gets into. Butwith that being said, toys and tech are basically technologyand how you know humans sexually interact with machines, you know- andso it's like, if, if there's, if there's a technology that stimulates ahuman in a way that increases arousal, that's essentially, essentially thequestion you're asking it's like. Is it okay? Is it morally okay orscripturally permissible for a christian to engage in technology thatincreases arousal for the human? Because, if that's the question, whatare you going to say when there are sex robot, you i mean they're like what isthat sexually more like i, i don't know. Man like this go we're going to getinto a place where it's like. How do you morally argue for humans? That are? U guy that are thatwhose consciousness have been uploaded into robots? Are they are they humanand do they have sexuality? You know what i mean like. I think this. It'sthis weird crossover between technology and humans and how they, you know, integrate with each other. To be honest, and that's where my braingoes, that's why my brain is weird, and i don't post as much as mike. Does i'm ready to disagree go for it? I didn't even make a statement, but ihave to say to you it's hard for me to just to discuss this, because i'm notan expert in either field like i'm, not a sex therapist, i'm also not a pastor.So for me i defer to what i've learnedfrom those people and the one thing that's interesting. Isi've heard the perspective from from passers? You know biblically, themarriage bed is undefiled as long as it's just the two of you in the bedroomhave fun and do what you want and figure out what excites each otherlearn together, have fun together, be awkward together, laugh together andthere's a weird line when it comes to sex. Toys of, like you know, does lubcount. That's synthetic, that's not something that comes naturally out ofyour body. So is that adding i like...

...something we shouldn't be having to ourbodies like? If you have that stance, that could be one of the extremes, butthe one thing i spoke to dr coryon who's, a sex therapist that ihave on my page all the time who answers questions. He said the thingthat a lot of people get caught up on is a lot of men feel inadequate, likeif we add this into the bedroom, it's going to cause me to feel inadequate.You're not going to want to have sex with me anymore. That sort of thing anda lot of women worry on the other side of like. If we introduce this, myhusband is not going to be able to give me pleasure anymore. It's only going tobe this. This thing and the thing that he focuses on it goes if you'rethreatened by it, you need to focus on the things that it can't do in yoursexual life, and the thing is sex is more than just putting something in ahole. I know that sounds graphic, but it's an intimate experience of youbeing with your spouse, and he said something that changed the way ithought of it. He said the next sexual experience starts after you finish thatyour last sexual experience, like you're, building up your intimacy intothe next one and then once it's done you're slowly building back into thatone, and he said no matter what toy can vibrate pulse go to the beat of musicall the stuff? I can do twist turn whatever it can. Do it can't cuddle inbed with your spouse. It can't have a deep conversation after it could it can't have a deep conversation thatknows that person inside and out it can't bring a level of intimacy. So to me, if you're doing it for somebody,it's going to bring you closer to your spouse, you're going to use it togetherwith them and have it be a fun experience that deepens your bond. Idon't see anything wrong with that. If it's going to bring you closer togetherand it's something that's going to lead you into a spiritual act, that's more pleasurable man! That's a superinteresting way to look at as like as soon as your sexual interaction is over.The next one is starting because of all the build up. So i'm curious, then iwith that being the case and that the philosophy are you scheduling the timesof having sex or once again you you don't have to speakpersonally, but i don't want to know i will i don't want to. I don't need toknow it cause. I don't care if you don't want it. No, i'm goin to tell you.I don't need to know about you and mary jane peter parker, okay, but i'mcurious like because, if it's scheduled and you kind of know what the time thatyou're building up to but then also if it's not scheduled, and maybe that aslike an element of you, know fun and intimacy, and i mean because isn't thatwhat sex is supposed to be so is it good to schedule? Is it not good toschedule? This is where i think it's so important for, like i talked beforeabout how those three enites like the parents to church in the school have tobe teaching about sex and sexuality, is because there's no hard and fast rule for everysingle person about what the sexual experience is going to be. Like youcan't see, you're going to get married in sex is going to look. This way likeeverybody has different, wants desires, intimacies things like that that theirpartners give them that that they give their partner that sort of thing. Soyou also have to go off of conviction. I know some people are very convicted,never ever to touch a sex toy or lubrecant or whatever, and they justfeel convicted over it. Absolutely you should not do it if you're feelingconvicted over it, and i think when it comes to scheduling sex, it's the samething. Some couples can thrive in that other couples. It would actually bedifficult for them. For my wife and i i can get a littlepersonal, i don't care, we were having issues. I go to bed a lot later thanshe does like i'm just not somebody who can go to bed early and we tried for awhile like to always be in bed at the same time, and then we, when we wouldbe intimate, i would just lay awake for a while and like like. I think i wentgo down and watch a movie and like that felt weird, and it was kind of liketaking away from our experience a little bit an it's like we'll just stayup here with me and i was like, and i would, and you know she would fallasleep and then i'd be like okay. Now do i get up like it was just a reallyweird. It was weird kind of tension, but the other thing that would happen.I'm sure every married couple has been through this is when, like one personis in the moon, the other isn't- and you know you lay in bed, one personstarts making moves, having fun whatever and then the other one's like.Oh sorry, i have to be up early, do you died, yea and, and you have thoseawkward moments, and unfortunately my wife and i were having those kind ofmore frequently than we liked where, like you know, she would make moves onme and i'm like. Oh, i have to be up early tomorrow because i had a jobwhere i had to be up at three. Am for a long time and and vice versa, and itwas causing some issues, so we actually had that hard conversation, becausepeople worry about scheduling sex, making it become more like robotic.It's scheduled, like it's not fun anymore, but for us having thatexpectation of knowing it was coming on a certain night made. It way more funfor us because, like we could tease each other throughout the day that sortof thing, but we don't stick to our schedule like we have those days wherewe know what's going to happen, we both expected that sort of thing, butanything on top of that it just makes...

...it even better. We still have thosespontaneous moments too, but we just worried about getting in the rut of weconstantly are like like hitting that run of what we just can't get thetiming. Right like we know we're going to have these times together and allthe times on top of that are just for extra fun, and it really worked for usand like brought us so much closer together, and it was such a cool thingto see something. We were both nervous about like which was scheduling, sexand thinking. It would be a bad thing and then seeing it like reap benefitsfor our marriage, like we never imagined so you're saying it's easierto schedule than to trust your spidey sense. Well, i was going to ask what do you dowhen your web shooter won't work? Oh, my god wait. Are we having thoseproblems mat? I was me. I was more curious of likewhat happens when it's scheduled, but then one person is not in the mood anddoes then that create an argument. Well, no, i know, because when you have theexpectation that changes that everything like juch marriage is aboutexpectations in so many ways we were all raised in different homes withdifferent lifestyles, and we have things that we do that make uscomfortable. But we also have things that we expect of other people thatmake us comfortable as well like if you grew up in a home where dad was offworking and mom was home all the time, you might unknowingly bring thatexpectation into your marriage and then, when your wife wants to work at whatare you talking about? That's not what i've experienced. That's, not howmarriage works, and you have those expectations that you don't evenrealize you have which can lead to arguments and that sort of thing. Sofor us, when we, when we had the expectation of like this night duringthe week like we know it's going to be fun, we can like, like i said we cantease each other throughout the day. We know what's happening. We know we'regoing to we're going to have fun and we make it like. We make it fun, whereas icould see how some couples if they had it scheduled it could go the tollopposite direction. It's like okay, well, it's tuesday night, let's getgoing and that doesn't seem fun at all, but we make it fun and i think it's allin it depends on the couple and it depends on your relationship and whatyou expect of each other. So you got to not just schedule but have some sexysketching yeah like you, it's not just like a job that you have to do thismany times a week. It is like hey. We know, we know when we're going to begetting into bed together, let's be leading up yeah that as we go and weplan fun, things will be we'll be like. Let's watch a romanticmovie or something like that together. Well, like cut on the couch big, let'sgo out on a date night or something like that, so it kind of it leads intoother benefits where we like also scheduled dates. We also like that'sour time together, but leading up to it. We want to make that effective and funtoo for sure yeah yeah. You were talking about things that, like maybe,when you're being raised by a certain family, dynamic that you're notessentially like comfortable with just because of maybe where you've beenraised, like what part of the world or who you're raised by like, depending onhow conservative or how liberal. Maybe your family is, but i for me growing upin the midwest a lot of my life in indiana a lot of my life in kentucky. Ihad very little experience with anyone that was homosexual, and so it wasn'tuntil i think, high school that i even knew that it was a thing. I think thati there was one guy at our school that like came out and it was just kind oflike okay. Well, that's interesting and then college. You know you kind of getto know a couple more people and in moving to orlando, it is a big part oforlando. I mean i feel like we're almost the pride mecca of the world,and so it was interesting. The other day we got a dm from somebody. Justsaying, because i think we reached down to them saying hey, we just had anepisode with whoever the guest was, and we see thatyou know you are a follower of them. We thought maybe you'd like our show andthey responded by saying well, unfortunately, you're a christianpodcast and because i'm homosexual, i can't watch your content and i can'tfall all your page and it just made me want to like dive in and so we doveinto the conversation of well. You know why do you think that- and i even askfor guess, recommendations of who are homosexual christians that we couldhave to give their opinion on the show, and i think that they were just kind oftaken aback that, first of all that they would get a response in second,that it would be positive and just like accepting, and so i'm curious for youguys, because the term homosexual christian, i'm sure some people wouldjust say that that doesn't even exist. That's like a unicorn, but for you guys.Where do you see that terminology? Can there be a homosexual christian man?That is a loaded question. My brother, because i mean there's, there'sdifferent stances: there there's like side a inside b of the argument wherebasically people will say you can not have any same sex attraction and be achristian. Somebody will say that there's another argument that peoplewill sayg, you can have same sex...

...attraction and be a christian, but ifyou don't indulge in those attractions and desires, that would be more likejackie hill perry's stance and then there are others that will go intocomplete affirmation. That would say you know you can be the same. Sexattracted person and also engage in those desires and still be a christian.So those are like the major arguments that are out there right now. I affirm,i guess i think it's side be. I may be mislabeled it, but i believe that homosexuality, the act of homosexuality,is sinful, and that would that would put me in the category of non affirming because i don't affirm the act ofhomosexuality, but i know i know people who are same sex attracted that don'tengage in that behavior and they you know they commit to that that there'sthose desires and temptations to the lord and they pursue holiness, and ifind that very admirable because it is that has to be a massive sacrifice. Mthat i have no idea. You know what that feels like. I can't comprehend. I can'timagine what it be like to say. I lean this way strongly, but i'mchoosing not to, for the sake of you know my belief in and my savior. So i don't think there is somethingthat i can say. You know that i can say what i believe, but i don't think it'dbe fair to me for me to say with absolute certainty. You are a christianand you are not because there's you because i believe the gospel is. We are broken sinful people redeemed bya savior who is perfect and loving despite our evilness and brokenness. Soif i say you are christian you're, not a christian, the bible also says salvation belongsto the lord. So i want to be careful who i call a christian who i don't imean the bible does say you know you will know them by their fruit and thereare certain things you should not do. There's certain things that people willnot inherit the kingdom of heaven if they do, but at the same time i don'tknow how the lord is working within them, disante them from those things,and so that's whenever that's how i respond tothe questions that we get on our page like can i do x and still be achristian? Can i do? Can i believe you know why and still be a christian. Idon't like those questions. I don't think that they're fair. I think thatthere's there's too much complexity and theownness is completely the lord. You know what i mean like. I can't tell you well, you know like we was joking aboutearlier. How i was saying: well, you're, not a christian cause, you believe inhalloween, you know it's. It made it's goofy, because you know that. Why wouldthat cancel your salvation? Why would that counsel the sanctifyingpredeterminate work of the these? I mean- and i say that joking, but i saythis also of my stories all the time when i talk about b, biotos stuff.Everyone believes in pre determination. If you believe that god knowseverything you know you believe in predestination not treated for sorry,not predetermination, you believe in predestination. Everybody believes in it in one way,shape or form. I just happen to believe in the calvinistic sense, whereas you know other people, theybelieve that predestination is something that god already knows anyany acts upon. You know from those future decisions, anyways i'm gettingin the alogi gettin off the question, but that's the way. I believe that youknow, god is the. Is the author and thefinisher of our faith. So who am i to say god has not after you and he hasnot finished you. You know what i mean. That is a huge statement. That is, ithink, that is blaspheming the holy spirit to take his place, because he'sthe one who said it's mine. This is something that i do. I am the one who oo have i this. This is in my hand, because it says you know who's going topluck us from his hand, nobody's going to do that nobody's going to plug usfrom god's hand. So i really really discourage talk of you know their chistian andthey're, not a christian, especially when it comes to conu west. We can talkabout that if you like well, it's interesting because on thistopic, like okay, for instance, my old pastorfrom back home, i remember seeing him struggle just in a private setting withgetting invited to a gay wedding and he was like you know. On one hand, i lovethis person, i want to support them. On the other hand, you know like what'sthe church going to think of me and that that's a totally different, iguess scenario because of the position that he holds, but i know less. Whatwas it also on your feet about the gay merriage? Like? Should we attend a gaywedding and it once again made me think like man, that is a great question,because i'm sure that there's a lot of christians out there if you're at east,especially here in orlando- but i'm sure just you know anywhere in theworld these days. If you have a friend who h is gay and they're having ahomosexual wedding and you get invited,...

...like that's, probably the first timethat we're having that thought of? Oh well. What do i do like i've beenfriends with this person for how many years like do i go? Do i not go hehere's the thing. I think more. Christians need to get comfortable withthe phrase i don't know, and unfortunately, a lot of christians,whether they're ministry or not, or a new christian. They feel like they needto have all the answers and they feel like they need to have a strong stanceon things. For me that question right now is, i don't know it means i'mlooking into it. It means i'm talking to people, it means i'm reading mybible. It means i'm trying to seek guidance on it. We need to be more comfortable withthat, because there's nothing wrong with saying i don't know and do youwant to come? Do you want to tell me your opinion and do you want to comealongside me? While i look for answers on this topic, regardless of what thetopic is, whether it's about anything, i think it's okay to say i don't knowwhen it comes to wondering if something is a sin. I've seen this lie. I thinkmatt and i were talking about this the other day. I've seen so many people.Ask me if something is a sin is like. Can i do this? Can i smoke weed? Can ido drugs? Can i drink? Can i get drunk it's so many people think? Is it a sinand i hate that phrase is a dessen, because when we ask somebody is this asin we want that person. A lot of us are just looking for somebody else tobe our moral authority, we're looking for somebody else to give us permissionto do it or tell us not to do it, and when you put that in another humanbeing, that's a bad idea. You need to ask not ask. Is this a sin, but youneed to ask people to come alongside you and look for answers on your own,because, ultimately, our mo moral authority is god and we can look toscripture to have him teach us where we should go on certain issues, but people always say like well. Thispastor said it is so i'm trusting him. He said, yes, he's a pastor he's amoral authority, so i'm going to do it. He says, will not all pastors agree oneverything. So we need to read the bible and we need to dive in on our ownand not look to other humans to be our moral authority. We need to look to godto be our moral authority and that's a very difficult thing to do, becauseit's very easy to give that authority to a pastor. But you can find whatyou're looking for, if you want to find a pastor who says that something is orisnt as and you'll find it go, look for it they're all out there. I see a lotof pastures on social media on tick, tock and stuff who say the craziestthings and they defend it like where i'm like. Where are they reading thisin the bible? A sure you do too, but their pastors there in priests and havelike the clerical robot and i'm like yeah you'll, find it, and so it'simportant for us to do personal work in our faith and not just put our faithand moral authority and what other people say is a yes or no preach. Yeahvery protestant answer of you o well, we'll jump off the topic ofsexuality, and so you guys can like not be so tense. I was looking at mad over there and iwas like he's bet to just break out. It is is so it's the thing, as we can hearall the d, ms we're going to get when people listen tis like did you just say,but during his page, though embraces it like, whereas my page, we kind of justgoof off around a little bit, so we don't like we get into serious topics,but not as much as he does. This is just like a tuesday for him. You know well, like i said, on a lighter topic,i'm curious because you guys are both funny guys. You seem like you like tohave fun good time, you're running men pages. So i'm curious if you guys knowa fun way to inject fun or happiness or just like spontaneous. You knowspontaneous spontaneity, yeah there we go sorry that was like spellingecclesiastes for me. Do you have a way or something that youdo in your own life that like people can follow? I know actually- and irecently have been doing this thing- where we'll pull up to a red light andwe'll roll our windows down and we'll crank a song that is very recognizable,and we both have these. Like cheap microphones that we bought off amazonand we'll do car karaoke with the car next to us, and so that's amazing, andwe make sure that we choose. You know wholesome songs, but i mean it'susually like miley cyrus or you think about your wedding top forty songs orwhatever you know party in the usa or and we'll just pull up beside and andwe'll sing with them, and it makes our day better. It makes our relationshipbetter and it makes the people's day next to us because what's the worstthing, while you're driving it's waiting in traffic, it's waiting at ared light, and so we've just been trying to think of like okay, what'sways that we can inject fun into our relationship and our world, but thenalso injected into others. I got a great one that we just started doingrecently. Yes, i don't know if it has a name. I'm suresomebody has a named for police call like our netflix challenge, if, if oneperson in the couple not calling out my wife here, but if one person the coupletends to like really cheesy or bad...

...romantic comedies or if you like,movies in general, what we do is you start a movie together, you hit playthe second. That movie hits twenty minutes. You pause it stop it whereverit's at mid sentence, and you both put your predictions for what you think isgoing to happen for the rest of the movie and then it's a way to make badmovies good and make them fun like we were. We were watching it, a netflixmove the other day and we paused it. We said why i think that character isgoing to turn out to be the bad guy. I think they're going to end up togetherand you ask each other specific questions like well. Are they we knowthey're going to get married by the gonna, get married in the church orlike in her parents back yard, like you do things like that where there's likelittle bets and then as they happen in the movie, you have like littlevictories and it's so much fun to go through the movie together and have atotally unique experience. Yeah yeah we're doing that. Now, i'm i'm superboring. I am so boring because we don't doanything like that. I mean we have a two year old. We have he's about to betwo in a week or two and our favorite thing right now. Thank you. Our ourfavorite thing right now is just to talk like at the end of the day, talkabout the new things that he's doing, and that's honestly like brings us themost joy right now, just like. Oh, he said this today it was so cute andit'll say something day, so he likes to do this thing where and marcello. Ifyou hear this in ten ten years, i'm so sorry, but he does this thing. You now get a boboand i be like you know, dead, deist or mamma kiss it, and he had a littlesomething on his wie. That was hurting him and i was like oh buddy dis. We heard iso i was like putting some acceperant it and he was like mamma kiss it. I was like no nobody, no we're notdoing that. Oh, no, no kiss it good okasise, my kiss, o, listen, ma's, not kissing that booi.Kiss your hand you want is to lose, can look as we we i feel like. I shouldhave like saved your son a little bit and just interrupted your story that hethere they will always be there. Well is everyone by my mother in law? Justhappened to be there as well, because she we were, she was watching him andwe were just picking them up and so yeah it's going to be known. It's likeeveryone's. It's just one of those things that yeah it was so funny, butwe didn't you know now he something we laugh about. So youhave an almost two year old and i know mike you have a few kids of your own alittle bit older right, yeah a little bit older yeah. Is there ever a timewhere you're is speaking of fun like is there ever a time that your kids may behaving like too much fun, and you have to put them in time out or of time out is even a punishmentthat you guys use or utilize. I don't know with the two year old should they,like always be in time out in a like the terrible to my kid he's justentering the terrible twos like i can sell he's just like frantic, but hisfavorite thing is to do is to forage like he just needs to forage througheverything he's like well go to the park and instead of playing on theswings or the monkey bars or whatever or cord down the slide. He just wantsto sit by a tree and just like pick through the acorns and he's like. Well,that's a good one. I that's a good one. That's a good one! He's like mumblingto himself! So i don't know if it's like he inherited some of the cyclepathfrom me or what's going on there, but does he collect them yeah? He i'll havea whole handful of acorns and i'll just hold them, and it's really cute is likethis one pulled the acorn pulled it hold it, get your pocket books readybecause he's goin to want all the pokemon car yeah. Yes, he's definitelygoing to be a collector, but what like he'll do that at home too,like he'll want to dig in the trash can and just like, want to forageeverywhere. He possibly can and since he's already forged. Ninety percent ofthe house he's always looking for new places to forage and dig and scratch,and so he gets in the time out because hegoes dumpster diving a lot so see. I just think when it comes to likepunishments and those sorts of things you have to be flexible and you can'thave such hard and fast rules, because every kid is their own like uniquebeing, and they have different things that they give different currencies to.So, like you also see, there's so many freaking parenting experts now, like mywife, came out to me the other day and she was like, we can't use the wordstime out anymore, because this expert says that using the words times thattime out makes them feel excluded and we don't want our kids feel excluded.So i have a friend who calls them time ends which we don't go that far, butthey have time ins where they're like no you're included with us you're justsitting calmly, it's but there's so many opinions out there that you haveto figure out, like my oldest, is an introvert. So to give him time tohimself is a blessing. So why? But r one of my lother kids is an extrovert.So that's an awful punishment for him to sit by himself but forlse like okay,cool i'll, go sit yeah. That sounds great, so you have to kind of treatevery kid differently, but also evolve, as things evolved to you can't justhave those hard and fast black and...

...white rules, all the time for theirentire life or they'll find ways around them. Yeah. I'm curious because you'retalking about like setting those guidelines and i'm curious for matt, do you ever like, and maybe this isjust coming from the teacher in me- i've never parented a child on my own,but i can say that i've been in a classroom for with about thirty of them.For you know, sun up to sun down, i'm well now it s like, i guess, seven, totwo thirty whatever, but i mean that's a long time with a bunch of kids andthey always talk about like. If you want to be a good teacher, you have tohave a set schedule and keep them to that schedule to keep them from. Youknow, getting into trouble and doing things that they shouldn't be be doing.Does that also convert into being a good parent? Like do you have like aset schedule for like daily routines? So i i'm pretty sure i struggle formoscetti bad, pretty sure i do okay, i mean, i thinkyou know mike been with me this week and i think he complete opposite. I'm aroll with the punches kind of guy he's a i netrin when we were packing to comehere. He was already packed my back thirty times. He said something likethat. I got to make sure i mean i'm packing like five minutes before i goto the airport yeah i, whereas i am kind of a free spirit in alot of things, there's a lot more things i need structure in and i think so. That's my parentingstyle, but i also feel like there's a lot of benefits to having a setstructure for my son. So, like you, o wakes up at a certain time, eat to acertain time goes about a certain time, and i can see that, like his body isready to eat a certain time, he's ready to sleep at a certain time and it'sreally really great for our life, because we know what to expect from himand we'll see a lot of parents with like screaming kids, because we knowthat they're, tired and they're over or they're, overly hungry and they're, notgetting what they need. And you know i did used to work in foster, caredadoption, and i have done some some studies on childhood development andlike trauma, informed care and stuff like that, and i feel like kids havestructure, they have security and we have security, they have confidence andthey have confidence. You know they have self esteem and those things stemfrom each other. I'm not saying that you know i'm super meticulous and thereneeds to be exact timings like we have some fluctuation there, but i feel that child maturity and child growth is best. You know it's best handled within thestructure it grows on. The lattice of structure is coming over your professorof here, professor professor miles more this over here, but now i think that i think i've seen therewards of it. Like my son started walking earlier. He he's been. Hespeaks in almost complete senses and he's not even two years old. You knowhe's, i think, he's advanced from those things and from the way that we'vetrained him not saying those two necessarily correlated, because i knowevery kid's different, but i think he does. He grows well in that in thatenvironment yeah. If your goal was to impress me i am in present, and thisway my wife is a complete blessing, because she always reminds me becausewe are not raising children. We are raising adults, yeah, we're raisinggood adults and you have to emulate the type of person that you want your childto be. You can't expect a child never to use an ipad or a phone when you'reon your phone. All the time like they want to be like you. So if you'resomebody who gossips about people behind their back guess what your kidsprobably going to feel like it's okay to do if you're somebody who fights alot and yells of people, what guess what your kid is likely to do, it'sreally really hard to look at ourselves in the mirror sometimes and a spouse isa really good way to activate that or they can call you out on things andtell you how to be better at things in a loving way, like my wife lovinglycalls me out about being on my phone around our kids a lot because i i don'twant our kids to want to just watch stuff all the time, and we can't bethat person then. So it's really really hard to accept those things that wehave to get better at, because we can't have a double standard with our kids,otherwise they're going to grow up thinking. Other things are doublestandards. Why would my kid want to live a faith that i have if i'm notliving other things in my life? Well and yeah? That's so good! I know likelast episode. Maddie was on talking about how a lot of times we say. Ohboys, will be boys, but he's like the truth is boys will be men, and so, ifyou don't like get that in your mind, early on, like before, you know itthey're already going to be influenced by older teenagers. You know older boysthan them and that's where they're going to get what it means to be a manand then you're going to lose your influence on them and it's going to betoo late. But i know that i think this was a couple years ago when you and iwere battling thanos and we were in the midst yeah for anybody. That's listening onceagain reminder star, lordspider man...

...here, okay, so we're battling thanosand in the middle of this battle in this fight, you, like lean over andwhisper in my ear, something some kind of story, and i like barely heard youand i was like- is there a better time than this, and i know a superheroes?That's what we do is like save people, but you were saying something aboutsaving someone from a cult. Oh my gosh, this story- yeah, oh my god, so i havebeen waiting for years to have a time to sit down with you and be to talkabout this. Can you tell me elaborate on what you meant i just heard colt sayi was like the best set up to the story by the way i have to give you a properthat, because i was not, i did not know where you were going with this, butdude. This is one of the most wild stories i've had from doing myinstagram page. So every day i do a daily topic where you know people sharetheir feelings on it and i show their what they said and one day somebody wanted to talk about cults. Ithink they had escaped a cold, something like that and they want tohear more stories of people who scape cults, because the sad reality ispeople start cult under the name of jesus, and it drives me nuts thatpeople misappropriate the bible to start cults for selfish reasons formoney control. Whatever reason they do it. This girl sent this story about a culch.She had escaped that was all on zoom, which sounds crazy, but i mean look atour times. I mean it's a reality. It's a korean cult that someone can correct me if my dm, if i'mwrong, but essentially what they believe is their leader is the secondcoming of christ and he is going to take his followers up to heaven withhim when his life is over, so they're actively recruiting people to be saved,they legitimately think they're saving lives. These people who have beenbrainwashed in this cult and this girl shared the story. She told a lot of thedetails of what goes on in this bible study, how she realized and how she gotout. So it was very scary because it takes the bible. Study starts outnormal. It's just like a great bible, say for the first like four to sixmonths, and then they start introducing their their. You know cukoo for cocoapuff stuff, but by then you're so invested in yourtime. These people know you they know where you're from so to escape his veryscary thing because they know where you live. They know your family, they knowyou intimately because you get to know me, it's a bible, sett you're open, soi publish her story and about a week later i got a message from this womanat midnight. My wife was fast asleep and i was about to go to bed and i seethis message come in and she says hey. I remember a week ago, you're talkingabout cults. Can you send me that story? Because i think i might be in that coltand i said sure, so i like look for it and i find it and she it goes. No, i don't think that'sit. There's a couple detail and she was in denial in this message and i senther on the resource. I said: listen, i don't know for sure what you're in, buti sent her a couple of other resources of people who have escaped and she sentin all caps. She said- oh my god, i'm in a cult, and she had this moment ofrealization that she had to get out, and i said, listen i'm going to put youin touch with this girl who sent me the message: we're going to figure out.What's going on, don't panic and she sent me all these awful messes sayingi'm so dumb. How did i fall for this? I feel so stupid like she sent all thistuffin his heartbreaking to read, and i had to reasure her like dumb people donot get into cults, like they emotionally manipulate in the smartestways to get smart people in these cults, like not it's not just dumb people soanyway, i asked her for more because i wanted to write this article kind ofexposing this cult a little bit in case more people who follow me were in itgot their stories and what they basically found is that this cult wastargeting people who follow christian meme pages. They named due euronymousspecifically, and they named a couple others specifically and other christianinspiration pages, because they know the people who follow. Those pages arealready christians and they basically say like hey: it's ovid, it stinks,come join the zoom bible, study, you'll grow so much and the way they kind oflure you and say it's through this church will give it to you for free.Normally, we charge for it. So i wrote this whole thing. Basically sharingthese two women stories. When i posted it, i got hundreds of suffren womensaying i've gotten that dm a lot of people said. Oh my gosh, i was justabout to start this bible study and it's insane how common it is and howsecretive it is, and apparently, at the end, like you, take a test and thenyou're a part of this cult. I believe the pronunciation shin chan, g f, ifyou want to look it up, it's a very fascinating cult and their recruitmentmeasures. They really target americans and i believe, people in the uk too, but it's wild. I was so glad that shewas able to get out safely and apparently they're very rude, and theydo a lot of threats when you leave, but if you're listening and you've gottenthat message or or you you think this might be it- you can dm me on the page.I can put you in touch with people who have escaped to help you get a safe wayout, but o man, it's crazy, that that...

...stuff goes on and it's called shi.Whipton i mean don't quote man it it's shin chang is, i believe, the name ofit, but they don't call themselves that when they contact you they'll callthemselves like word of life church or like in certain name here, bible collegelike stuff like that they seem like different organizations. They builtcomplete websites, they have a location on google maps, it seems one hundredpercent legit. But if something feels wrong, something probably is wrong msometimes do they refer to themselves as the mamaloi? Okay, okay, man, when you said o mg, ijust realize i'm in a cult or how re phrase that it made me think. Is therea tv show about this, because that would that would be an amazing show oflike omg i'm in a culture omg i in i'm in a m lm or a pyramid scheme orwhatever like i feel like. That would be good tv, but i feel like as crazy asthat is i'm sure that matt with you being like behind the scenes of meanesfor jesus and people, not always knowing your face and like who you are,they just see the cartoon jesus and all the funny stuff that you do. I am surethat crazy things have also happened to you, where i'm sure people will come atyou saying. Oh, how dare you your racist or you're, like you know not as sensitive to this topic,and then you probably replied to them like actually a man of color and likehas that ever happened where people just think that you're this white dude,like behind a computer screen well first off mike, is a white dude. So my buddy mike michael shafer, a righthe's the one who started memes for jesus, but you know i am for those ofyou are listening. I am a chocolate hispanic, male that i'm half puerto rican and halfdominican, which is why it shows males moralsbecause he's half hispanic and at lack but anyways, so good. The the there's one time where, because wealso sell murch on our website, mansor jesso that has really sassy christian sayings onit like like a a image of jesus and it has br b, meaning you know, jesus willbe right back, which i wore yesterday to disney andgot a ton of compliments. That was awesome. We have other stuff, like youknow, jesus. What does it be salty and lit not not basile instead of salty andafrica, it just says, be saltin lit. I wish i should. I would know this betterbut and apparently saw some lady. She went on our website and saw ourmerch and she got really triggered because she said it's culturalappropriation to use the words like a lit and cool, and you knowabbreviations like br b, because that those are black phrases and they're notto be sold for profit and much less by a whitemale or something like that, and i was like first of all, i'm probably darkerthan you are. I know that, just by looking at your profile picture, secondof all, you're crazy, you are you telling me you're trying to legislatelike legislatively, enforce the uses of words. Do you realize howoppressive you're being to me right now like? I can't you can't do that likethere's? No there's! Nobody that's on the side of this, and so she just wentback and forth and was absolutely insane totally unreasonable and she'slike no do not talk, i'm the one talking now i'm like, and i just like.Okay go ahead and like like, i would say: okay, she was like. Don't respondany more, i was like okay, so it triggered or so hard, and i was iwas having so much fun because we get people like that. That are just i justlike for me. That brings me life when somebody gets triggered and they getoffended by the dumbest thing i get more powerful. I have like i getmore years added to my life when i interact with these people but anyway,so i just kind of waved it off and then i, like, i think, maybe a week latermike and i were employed at a at a place at the same place. At that timewe still are in a way, but like apparently there was somebody whocalled our job and said that we needed to be or michael needed, to be trained in racial reconciliationbecause of the merchandise city soul. They called the ceo of our job and iwas like wow. I did not know that people were this insane that they wouldpursue something so inoculate innocuous to this end and so yeah. That was thecraziest experience that i can remember that we've gone through that, but everyit's always something like every day. There's always somebody who's triggeredabout something that they shouldn't be. I have this one muslim guy that i'vebeen messaging back and forth for probably about like eight months andhe's like he's like brother, you must convert to isla brother he's like everyday wet to you're. Talking the same guy yeah t a l, look at dens after this, but he'sa great guy. I love him. I really like the guy he'slike twenty years old. Is he twenty...

...with de tell you twenty one? They tellyou his name. I think we're talking about yeah and, like he'll, send methese videos of these old muslim guys and be like see. This is why you mustrenounce christianity. Brother see it's so clear, it's so clear and i'm likeand i'll just refute, every single line that he says like like no you're likelying. This is these are lies. This is just send him. This is something ilearned from ashley's dad because he he said that like when he would haveconversations with muslims, and they would, you know, argue with him hewould just put on a youtube video and whatever language. They spoke ofsomeone that had a near death experience and the s and they would say,okay who's. He saying he saw and then they look at him being. He said onlyjesus only jesus, all right, let's watch another one, all right, onlyjesus all right. So no mohammad right, i don't know if that's the best way tojust be a thing, talk about jabirus e w a what is his name. Jim capeses is at your talking aboutthe guy who has the he converted to christianity from being like a islis orsomething like that? Oh no, these are just random youtube videos of people.That said, i had a near death experience and when i came back to life,i wanted everyone to know, and then this is who i saw. Those are great,yeah see when it comes, though i mean map brought up getting these triggerpeople all the time like it happens, both of us, especially you know. Italked about controversial stuff and i post both sides of arguments all thetime but triggered people from from what i found. I don't want to take awayfrom them. I don't like calling a trigger people, but people. What do you call them? People,people who get angry- i mean they get angry about song. Now i'm triggered the people who send me angry messagesfrom what i found. They just want to be heard and the reason they get triggeredand the reason they get angry usually has a legitimate reason in their life,and i say the people who are extreme politically things. That is usuallybecause something has happened in their life, whether it's like their parents,their family, like something has happened, that's made them that waythat if you knew the reason, you'd be more sympathetic towards them andusually, if you just sit back and don't respond, i just let people talk andshare their story. You can understand a little more and understand theirperspective better and then all of a sudden, the anger goes away. I meanjust like say get it all out. I just make something: it's like. I got todefend myself: no christians, u cure sometimes sounds like the way edge ofyour name when you visit the page, but he has the heart of gold that you wouldnever know if you never interacted with him. You know on a daily basis, like ido where our page has the name of jesus plastered on it, and i am evil, i'mpure evil man. I argue and troll them to kingdom and ask for help and i'll belike hey. I someone talking about this issue and he'll be like blackhunt andi'm like. No, i want to talk to them please so, like i respond tolegitimately every hate complaint that i get yeah and i love just saying why?Because, usually, if i feel that it's unfounded, i just want to hear why,because once you keep digging through the wise you get to the reason and thenthat's something i can like relate to like when you get down to like church,hurt well they're like i don't like that, and then that you go back andlike well. I was really betrayed by my church like yeah. I'm sorry like youshouldn't, have been betrayed by your church and then you can find that linkand then you can build a relationship from there, but most people who getthat sort of angry that the message of page they've, never message before orput an angry comment. There's usually pain or hurt behind it. That just hasto be uncovered and it probably helps that you have kept your identityanonymous so that you can give you know certain feedback if you're getting likethis hate, because maybe with matt, if people know you, people know where youlive or whatever, and you like, you know, interact with certain stuff, youmight have you know, beating the bastile like guest on pitch forksoutside your house or whatever that. I think that, like what youtalked about as far as like villanis, maybe the triggered people or the angrypeople, whatever we want to call them it's like, and maybe this isn't theperfect analogy that i'm going back to disney the old disney films. You knewthe villain because they were just pure evil and there was really nojustification as to why they were evil is just like wow. That guy is just likereally hateful on now, where every disney villain has their back storybeing put into theaters. So right that now disney's going back, i was like. Oh,this is actually what was going on with cruelle yeah and r and mileva son orwhoever, but it an it's so easy to point the finger at someone whodisagrees us and just say that they're wrong because it dehumanizes it. Itsays i don't want to learn why they believe what they believe. So justsaying, no and just ignoring to me is not the right thing to do. It's great.I don't blume like i've, never blocked a person. For my page, i don't likeblocking. People like there are people even on my personal social media that isee, and i think their opinions are nuts, but i don't like black in them,because i don't want to live in an echo chamber and social mediaalgorithms putpeople in echo chambers, where you just...

...see things that are going to make youhappy and affirm what you believe and the bad thing about echo chambers are.They aren't supported when you go outside your walls of your comfort zone.So that's why we see so much talk about safe spaces and all those sorts ofthings is because, when you're in your home you're in your safe space- andthat includes with social media because of how the algorithm goes so with whatmy page does where i post both sides of an argument, people are readingsomething they've literally never seen before, so they jump that know that'sheretical and then, when they look and see like hey, a lot of christiansactually agree with this. They message me and they're, like how is thispossible and they're confused and they're hurt and they feel like they've,been lied to and that sort of thing that's why? I want them to talk aboutthese things or at least know that these opinions exist, because if youlive in your echo chamber, you're never going to grow, there's no reason togrow and everybody agrees with you. There's no reason to take risks. Ifeverybody agrees with you, we need to start associating with people that wevehemently disagree with to find out. Why so that we can grow and they cangrow to speaking of echo chambers. Let's talk about christian conferences, so i was talking to a friend the otherday about christian conferences and they said okay. Well, why do you evengo to those and it kind of caught me off guard, because i just thought thatthat was something that, like all christians, do we've all been toconferences and we all maybe look at other conferences that we want to go toor whatever and when they ask me like. Okay, we'll defend like why, like whychristian conferences? Why do you go to those what you know like that's yourvacation days, like once, you rather be going and enjoying your vacation,relaxing and and you're going to be around a bunch of strangers that youwill never probably see again, and it made me really like get a littleinsecure about, because i was like going into the conversation like. Oh mygosh passion conference. It was incredible. It was amazing, they'relike why i was like oh what well, and then i and all the reasons that i had iwas like. Well, i got to see like lacre on my birthday and they had hill songthere, and i was like naming off all these artists and they're like yeah. Icare less about that. I was like okay. Well, what about like seeing thisperson preach, and i learned so much and i was able to like interact withand see like tens of thousands of other christians that are like doing exactlywhat i'm doing at the same as the like, yeah all right, yeah moving on yeah,and i really struggled i guess to defend it. No, i think the way i seethem is like it's they're recharging stations. You know if you work in a joblike you're, a podcaster and when you work in a job, that's really uniquelike that, and you go to a podcast convention, you feel like you can like.Take your mask off a little bit. You can be yourself because all thesepeople have the same interest as me. I can nerd out a little more. I can bemyself and there's that element of and then when you go home you're likefeeling good you're feeling recharged you're happy- and i think you know whenwe're out in the world were called to evangelize were called to be. You know,examples of christ and that can exhaust people sometimes because sometimes itfeels like you have that mask on. You always need to be the best examplechrist that sort of thing. So when you go to a conference, you can have thatsame feeling of i'm just taking it all off. I'm around christians. I can bemyself. I can nerd out a little bit about theology and have fun with thisand then go home, refreshed and renewed. In my faith like it's the same way, weneed to sleep every night. We need to have those times where we focus on ourfaith to grow as well yeah i mean, i also think, there's a lot of christiansthat are just like inherently naturally likeoppositional and contrary it's like okay, cool cool dude. You know youdon't like what are the most people like good for you great great job. Youknow here's your clap and i think that's just like a hipster thing. It'slike you go to those conferences, that's the point as a like o theircigar wow. My riends gonna hate me now, yeah i'll tell him i mean he can he candamn me if you are like that, but that's the thing there's so many!That's that's so that's so annoying like. Why are people just contrary andjust to be contrary an not to say that i agree or disagree with him, but thethat's just like a common thing with with certain christians is likewell, you know. Well, that's catholic, so i just don't like it or you knowwithout necessary, without even attempting to engage with theconversation so yeah like yeah, i'm no christos of cur sometimes, but i loveto discuss theology and i love to see differing views and that's where i'llreally ill send like voice messages with people in the ms and talk aboutwhy they believe what they believe and what the other views might be. Whatmight help them see that there's more than just black and white views on alot of things? So when it comes to conferences, i'm like i don't care goto a conference. If you want it's fun, there's nothing you know and inherentlyevil about getting together having fun with other christians. I mean i, imight be very you know corporate...

...america to have the lasers on thelights, and you know oh you're, just doing you're going to a rock concert,you're supposed to be in church hanging out being somber crying in front of thealtar being you know, being opprest, let that god, you know, i like there's,there's prosperity, gospel and then there's poverty gospel, which you know.I don't think either of those are right where i think we can have joy incelebration amongst believers. What's the problem, you know why. Why are youmad a people having fun and i get mad when i see people having fun, but ikeep that to myself. I don't need to make a post about. I don't need to. Youknow, put my stinky opinion in the world for everyone to hear. Just letpeople have fun sometimes, but also it's it's easier in life to hatesomething than to love something, because when you love something youknow you're already subscribing to a smaller group of people who lovesomething or even if everyone outside of that circle doesn't hate it. Theyjust don't love it. So for me you know you were referencing pokemon beforeit's so easy for em. So, like i hate pokemon s, a dumb anima cartoon dumbvideo game waste of time, but for someone to look someone they've nevermet before the ions day. I love pokemon you're, taking a risk because you'rehoping that they love it too, and that sort of thing. But it's more it'seasier to say you hate something because you know the other person ismore likely to hate it too. That's why it's so trendy right now say i hate thechurch, it's more likely that someone's going to agree with. You then disagreewith you, but to say that you love something and you're in that club andyou're having fun with it is, is way more difficult for people to do. That'swhy you get so many angry people on pages, because it's so much easier inlife to not like something than to admit that you love something despiteits flaws, i think that we can all agree. This is a safe pokemon space so want to make that clear. I know we're running out of time we'regetting to the end here curious for you guys, both as married men. How do youguys foster relationships with other couples like now that you've wentthrough? You know your dating life, where you probably had you know somecouple friends or maybe even like some single friends. You know still in thatpart and you get married, and so you probably want to start having. You knowmarried friends and then once you start having kids, i'm sure it's like okay,we want to start having other family friends or- or maybe you just get tothe point where you're, like i'm so invested with all my time into just mywife and my kid or kids, and maybe you don't have time for friends like so howdo you keep intentional with the people that matter the most to you and yourlife? I think it's. I shout out to all the husbands outthere who are in this situation, but i think like when women make friends,they hope their husbands will get along. So a lot of times like your friendswith a couple like, despite the other like you guys, are cool with each otherlike you're, not necessarily deep but like you can put up with each other.You can have some basic conversations while your wives are super super closeand i think you're just trying to find one thing that you agree on that youlike yeah, but i tink we'll talk about that for the next. You know fifteenyears yeah, i think men confuse that with friendship and they think like.Well, i have these people in my life or men. Have, i will generalize here? Menhave a way more difficult time going deeper than women do. Somebody wantsdescribed to me, and i think this is so cool and true. They said women definetheir close friends by who they know the most about and men to find theirclose friends by who they spend the most time with so two dudes can sit insilence and play a video game for five hours together and when they walk out,they feel like they've, had the best bro time ever filer, as if you put twowomen in that same situation, they would feel like complete strangers, andi think that's obviously not true for every man and women at men and women.But i think there's a lot of truth to that and you have to take steps to dothe opposite. You have to take steps to deepen that friendship more than justsitting with each other, because because men do friendship like that,they think well, because this husband's here, i'm going to see him a lot. Mywife is friends with his wife that that's an excuse for friendship when wehave to take those steps to go deeper and it's interest, because i've donethese poles, especially with men on my page, because i think it was somethinglike ninety percent of men said that they wanted a deep friendship and theydidn't currently have it. That's a huge number of men and they all said thesame thing when i asked them like well. What do you want like? What is youradvice, those of you who do have friends and they said you have to bethe one who initiates the friendship. They said everybody wants the otherperson to initiate, but when everybody wants the other person to initiatenobody initiates, but because everybody wants the other person to initiate,that means they'll be fine. If you text them, you don't have to overthink, youcan send them that text. That says like do you want to hang out? Do you want togo out for coffee? Let's go play some video games, let's go here. Let's dothat and if they say no, who cares try again and people don't want to be like peoplewant to feel pursued regardless of what kind of relationships it that's withfamily toi like people want like their...

...family to reach out. They want their.You know. Romantic interest to reach out guys also want their friends toreach out to and ask like hey. I heard your wife had a hard day. Are you doing?Okay? Can we go out and have some talks and i think the more men kind of shedthat like macho thing of like well, if i have a friend he'll reach out to me-and it's not all about us like we need to be those initiators, it's the samething with bringing conversations to a deeper level. Sometimes it's scary, butsometimes you have to be the one who gets vulnerable first in order for therelationship to get deeper, because i'm telling ninety nine times out of ahundred the times. I've been vulnerable, first they've been vulnerable rightback and when i talk about something i struggle with a lot of times, they'vebeen like. Oh my gosh me too. Why does no one to talk about that and then allof a sudden, you've built this bond that is getting deeper and deeper andcan strengthen your faith and it takes away the loneliness. It's awful t e thenumber of men who are just completely lonely and don't realize it and aren'twilling to do anything about it and that's good to you get some man. No,not really. That's awesome. You nailed it. I'm just i'm grateful that i dohave a friend that i can go to be vulnerable with,and he just happens to be my wife's cousin's husband. His name is james andi love them very much and i'm very you know very close with him at so thatworks out, but yeah. I think, most of the time. What happens is that you knowthere's like this forced relationship thing when you're it is complicatedwhen you're buried. You have a kid and you want those you want to bring twofamilies together and be friends, but it doesn't always work out as kind offorced and cringe, but you learn to appreciate those people.You know because it's hard to have people that you can have the sameschedules with so yeah moral. This story is men text, your friends at ittexts the men that you want to become friends with and be intentional, and iwill say, as somebody who has been intentional with certain people and maybe not gotten the sameintentionality back just be okay with that and understand a yeah, that'sgoing to happen to and and keep going forward. Don't take that as oh, thisperson doesn't want anything to do with me. It's just kind of like what yousaid, as like men, aren't necessarily used to that and and and they're notcomfortable, sometimes with that, but it will grow and it will build and it'dbe great. The last thing i want to talk about. I don't want to pass up theopportunity, because you were a train professional with foster care and-and you probably know a decent amount, probably more than any of our guestscombined so are, i know i'm putting a lot on you, but our whole mission herefor young mary christian is: it is a mission towards foster care. We want tosee every child in the foster care system be put in place into a gospelcenter at home, a men and so with almost four hundred thousand kids inthe fonso care system in america, there's almost the same number fourhundred thousand churches in america as well, and so, if we can just give onefamily per church to be able to step up and take in a child, the problem willbe decimated like vanos, the way that we came together as avengers. So, let'syou know be the avengers of the church. I don't know i got off an on tangathere. So my question to you is: if you could speak to somebody who's, maybethinking or toying with the idea of foster care. What are some things? Thatwould be good for them to know. That's not maybe fake news that they might behearing and seeing out there. So one thing that i tell people that areinterested in foster care, so there's different levels and every state isdifferent to dependencies where you live, but it is one of the greatest needs inamerica right now like that is like a big need that the and a humongous voidthat is easily filled it, but there is a lot of emotional energy that goesinto it, that you can be trained and you can be informed on how to handle.So when people, for instance, i encouragepeople who struggle with having children to foster to adopt. Iencourage them to definitely have their own meritable counseling, because youneed to be a strong family union, you in it first to bring in of a foster child of any age, especiallyteenagers. But if you know, if you're pursuing it, then i would get trainingas much training get counseling. Get training, learn about traum n form trauma basedfrom informed count. The care for a child go to everything, learn as muchas you possibly can about. Child development go to every training yourcounty offers. Normally, those trainings are free if you're doingfoster care, and not only that when you finally accept a child for foster care.Like you get to choose what ages you want, you get to choose the ethic ofthe child. You get to choose whether or...

...not you're willing to take a childwho's been through. You know certain events in their life or certaintraumatic things like, depending on your ability to handle what they're,what they've been through and the effects of that. It's like it's that easy, like you getto say, okay, this is what we're willing to handle, and this is how manywe're able to handle a d we're able to handle the fact that this might notwork, because, unfortunately, most of the time it doesn't and just go intothe game realizing that first and work i worked at at a. I can't say too much about where iworked, but i can describe a little bit of what i did. I did what's calledprepping profile, which is preparing a child for adoption possible adoption, while also creatinga profile of their life, because these children, what they go through, isunspeakable most of the time if they're infosec care is because they've got itreally bad, they have a very, very difficult life in traumatic life thatthey've lived and they need stapes. They need stability desperately. Sopart of prepon profile is assembling, that that child's life into a bookletthat we can that you can give them to say this is where i've been. This iswhat this is the houses i've been. This is the things that i like, becausethese these kids they go. They're like thrown aron, like ping pongs. You knowthey just go from house to house most of the time they go from school toschool. They are usually never able to have any type of stability in theirlife at all, which creates a lot of mental stress, and it's very very sad.So what the profile does is helps them have like some type of foundation thatthey can hold in their hands and say this is where i've been. This is previegone and then they can continue adding to that as they progress so that whenthey are adopted to, they can also hand that to their or yeah if they areadopted or they go into a foster home, they can hand that, to their fosterparents and say this is you know they can talk, it's a point of connectionfor them as well and so and the profile that that's that's called a life book.The profile itself is a humongous compilation of you know all the thingsthey've been through on a more like databased sense, and that is that isvery difficult as well to read, sometimes sometimes the worst reatinganyways. I can talk about this for a very long time, i'm going to try andcondense it, but if you're trying, if you're going into foster care or you're pursuing it, like, i said,get all the training you can prepare yourself mentally, for you only to havethis child in your life for a little while or that child to completely ruin yourhome like emotionally, like physically ruin, your crap just break everythingin your home just be prepared for that, and if you're able to mentally andemotionally prepare yourself for that with the intent that you might be themost stable person they will ever meet. If you're able to just be a solid rockfor that person, then you'll do you'll. Do great you'll impact a child for therest of their life. Even if it's only for a few months that they're in therefor foster care, you will get paid depending on the on the state you gointo. You actually get paid to watch that child and the state will help youor the county will help you with all your needs. So usually you know that, andunfortunately, people do that as an imp as a job they'll take in children as ad and not even care for them. They'll just take the money for themselves,which is very sad yeah, so fostering if you want a child orstruggling to have a child, and you you want to do it, you want to have a childin your home and not shell out twenty five to fifty thousand dollars to adopta baby fostering to adopt is the most unexpectand an expensive and most effective way of preparing yourself to be a parent,and just honestly just preparing yourself and buffering your ownemotions to be a tougher person and dealing with the real muck and mire of just humanity. Unfortunately, i always encourage foster to adoptbecause, like i said, you don't have to pay anything, you get a child in yourhome. If there's a good fit, it's beautiful that child is like. I found aplace to live. I've been a do. You know i want to be here forever andeveryone's fulfilled. I mean it's still parent things still hard, but you canyou know you can just alter the course of a child's life forever and put themon a path of spit stability, and you know just the help to them and notreally you know, i don't know it, it's a big decision, but i encourage anyonewho who knows what's ahead of them to do it and be a light in someone's life,i'm fortunate lough shout out to pastate labor my one senior pastor thatwork for for several years. He has fostered, fostered and adopted likealmost up to a hundred kids. Wow he's he's a gem of a human being, and i knowit's because he has a strong marriage...

...and he just goes into it with theknowledge that you know these kids might leave or they might be with usforever. So that's the thing you know you just have to have that personalityand you have to give as much training as you can to a long story short thatthat's what i recommend man yeah. Well, thank you guys, speaking of being alight, you guys have been a light unto our lives since we've met you guyseverything leading up to this interview. I was like kekin, because james and iwere like we're so excited to meet these guys and have them here inorlando, and i mean when it finally came into fruition, and we had you here,it was surreal and it's been absolutely incredible to have you guys here in astudio today, if anybody has loved or even liked a little of what we've saidtoday, how can they continue to follow your content? If they're not alreadyfollowing it? Where would they find you for me of a couple things christian docirs, sometimes on instagram and then cristin to chris, sometimes com yeah.You can follow us on facebook, names for jesus or instagram memes for jesusand yeah. We lo we on the look out for the new stuff for putting out very soon,which will be announced somewhere and water, and just so weknow the podcast names, so i'm going to say memes for jesus podcast that youcan still. We have a big backlog of guests that we've had on the reallygreat interviews, manson jesus, and you can find it on spotify and apple, andyou have a podgaiyetskis podcast. Okay, p people ask me to have one, and i justkeep saying i don't have time, because i don't yeah he's more than capable of having astellar podcast, but he doesn't have one so well, hey unfortunate. Thank youguys. So much once again guys stay young stay married, but definitely staychristian, see next time, all right y'all. We hope you loved thatconversation here, young mary christian. We are on a mission to see a gospelcenter home made available for every single child in the foster care system.There are four hundred thousand kids in the fosie system and there are fourhundred osandra in america. Yalta. Church can solve this problem. If youwant to join us on this mission text, the word freedom to eight thrty, three,three, seven, oh one, six one! Oh another thing you can do to help usgrow. The reach of this podcast is to leave a rating in apple podcast. It'ssuper simple. Just go to the show's page scroll down and give us a ratingfor this show debow. What's a good rating typically just count the fingerson my hand, and then i click that many stars all right. So we're not tellingyou to give us a five star rating, but for the love of everything holy. Itwould help us tone if you wit, then give us a rating. I guess for that guythat has four fingers just had one. Yes, you don't even have to leave a reviewbecause, let's be real, that takes too long just go to apple pod gas and leaveus a rating yes, but seriously, though, if you do nothing else at least textthe word freedom to eight three, three, three: seven, oh one, six one o eight,three, three, three, seven o one: six, one o hey the three: thirty seven o one,six, one o eight, the thirty three seven one, six one o t.

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