@ruslankd - The Dangers of "Churchianity" w/ Ruslan

Welcome back to go married Christian,we are on a mission to see a Gospel Center had for every single child inthe faster car system, because the Bible made us do it and in this episodea talks to Ruslan Youtube. Rapper producer he's got almost a hundredthousand followers probably will have a hundred thousand subscribers on youtubeby the time you were hearing. This he's incredible. I've been binge listeningto his youtube content, for probably the better half of the last four orfive months and yeah people had an incredible conversation with yeah andthe interview was absolutely lit, so it that we talked about the time thatBruce Line got lit by taking edibles and getting on an airplane. I got hereso we talked about that story and then also his views on marijuana and howthey play a part in Christianity yeah. So we also Debo also talked to rusaletabout cancel culture. He specifically talked about the situation going onwith the baby right now. If you've got your finger on the pulse of pop culture,you probably know what we're talking about, but if you don't you will. I canyou listen to this in ere and then it was absolutely incredible. We triedsomething totally different this time. At the end of the interview, we went,live on instagram with Ruslan followers and took questions and feedback fromthem and use them, and we even got to talk about his views on sexuality andthen even dived into birth control and lgbtq plus community of Yeah. It waswild. We also talked about Ruslan S. thoughts on the really popular podcastright now called the rise and fall of Mars Hill. The documents just like thename says the rising fall of Mark Driscoll's, former church Mars hell soyou're absolutely going to want to listen to this entire conversation. Itwas incredible so hold on to your prayer being sharing, because we areyoung married and I really relire one as it is a Riton bucks for train and then, if you throw your punch awayin the trash, can they actually get sucked down into the tunnels of Disneyand they resell them is rea? No, I'm kidding as he won by the tunnels ofDisney. I I really tells underneath the No. There are so so when you're inmagic, kindom you're on the second level of the park. No, there is a wholecity underneath you yeah, like a city like how the characters get from ornatopoint view with that Whoa Yeah Yeah. I don't know if you've noticed you, younever see cowboys in Tomorrowland. You never see space rangers in fantasy landlike so they all come from beneath and they come out. It's like if you've everseen the movie us the Jordan peal like horror movie, yet wait, no it well. If you ever watch itit's similar to that when you're down there, it's kind of like no, I neversound up. Fighting I saw the other one was the other get out. He did get out.Yeah Yeah! I wanted to see us, but did you see happily ever after last night?No what's happen to ever? After again, the firework show? Oh Yeah. I saw afire work, sir. Yes, yes, I don't know, I was called haply Botha. Yes, so thefirework shop that was do it's a really good nose dope, that's dope! My son wason my neck and now my neck hurts so there's that it was it was fine. Iwon't find I was pushing the stroller with him on my neck, the baby and the stroller. With mybackpack on HMM- and I looked at my wife, and I said what do I pay you foryou know well, and I was thinking in my headlike what's different about us and Disneyland like I always know what youguys have that we don't, but I don't necessarily know what we have that youguys don't so my thought was fill our magic. We have it, you don't and thefireworks we haven't you don't. I thought we had fireworks. Well, youdon't have, I don't think happily ever after I don't know okay but yeah. Soyour got it's a lot of the same stuff. AERIO was identical a lot of the samestuff. The park is just bigger and better the castle yeah the castle isreally dusty. I feel like when you see Disney Lands Castle, you're just kindof like well, I guess when they finish it it'll be big. I don't know yeah.It's cute, the lighting is really do because its main street is really do.The ferry is really cool, I would say yeah, I would say it was like you could tell they built Anaheimbefore they built magic kingdom. Oh for sure, yeah I mean there's, there's bigdifferences, east coast West Coast, I'm even curious, like okay after church ona Sunday, and you have to go through a drive through. Where are you goingbecause I know in and out, and that was like immediate and no well yeah, I meanI like the other night, I'm like we last night. We leave and were like, ohlike we don't want to stay there and I...

...get food and pay two hundred dollars aplate, so we're like Gosh and they're like we don't like they don't have anyin out here like what are we going to eat? You know they don't have an in out.So what do you have to resort to? We went back to Disney Springs and went tothe House of Blues. HMM, that's good wait I resisted is it? Are we recording?Oh, this is the podcast. How welcome man, okay, you're here, he's like waita second, I fill a podcast coming and boozle me no well. I mean ourlisteners know that I have a love for White Castle. It's unhealthy and I wasthinking the other day that when I say that, because our our first fourepisodes just dropped yeah. So this is like the first time I'm doing one ofthese after people, I've heard what we've been doing and have given mefeedback, and so I've heard like Debo people are going to pay you as a stoner,because you keep talking about white castles and the truth. Is I've neversmoked wee in my life, not that I've like ever not consideredit or anything. But then I was thinking because I feel like weed is justbecoming normalized and, and we see it a lot. So I'm curious what your stanceis on weed because, as somebody who's rocking tattoos, you, you know yourwrapper like where, where do you see weed well? Well, first of all iswhite castle as bad as Waterberg. In what sense I just every measurablemetric under the scent, so they call them sliders because they go in andthey slide straight through you. So if you're talking nutritional value- yes,it's way worse. Okay, I don't think I've had right castles.I've only had water burger- and I was like this like this and text mix likethis- is what you guys are excited about, and then that point I realized Icould never live anywhere else beside southern California is like the cat.You see what everyone else in the country. I e Hag Mix like what a burgerlike really, and I just feel like such a snob yeah and we were all yeah wewake up with biscuits and gravy so that we can have our concrete mix inside ofus to slow us down so that we don't have to stress out about life. So it'slike that plus White Castle. I don't know how anyone's even alive in thesouth, it's wild dude, it's yeah, yes, shot out to the Ovid rate in OrlandoFreak me out. I was like holy smokes in eighty nine, like it's like triple whatit is I in southern California, which is like high and I was like holy smokesand then they're like yeah, but if you're healthy, you can be fine and I'mlike forty percent of the population is morbidly obese according to the CDClike what we don't listen to them here in or compare you know, everyone isjudging Florida, yet everyone's here on vacation, you know it's like how dear Florida andtheir ovid rate yeah. I guess we're going to Orlando next week- OrlandoYeah Man Yeah. So it's really nice here, but cannabis mat medical cannabis. So I don't smoke.I don't smoke anything, but when I had knee surgery the doctorswere trying to give me opioids. But two years ago I had a minor procedure on myknee, but it was, you know traumatic enough where I needed painkillers and they try to give me a hydro cod, one or whatever. So I waslike well. This would be a good time to figure out like what my actual stanceis, because I'm not just going to like take this stance on something that I've.Never I haven't done since I was sixteen, so I got these edible little Mitzlittle thin, mints, Hmm for Pain Relief, and I was like well. Let me you know, they're, not as addictive and whatever,and so so two years ago is when I did cannabisas an adult, and it was it was. It was actually really reallynice, like the pain relief, the sleep you're, taking five milligrams, so foranyone that, like really does cannabis to like five milligrams, where you're not evengoing to feel anything and I'm like really- and I like dude- I take atleast fifty and then I took five and other holy smokes like you're. Really astoner like fifty Wi put me out. So so I so I don't so I don't smoke anything.I don't do drugs recreationally, but at this time I was, I had a lot of kneepain and I had to get. I had a show. I don't know if I evershould shed the store had a show in Boston for my buddy Mike Max. What was it called this? It was adestination. It was a conference. He does. I feel so bad for forgetting what it was called, but it was a thinghe does every year, then it was like me: Derek Minor, tizzle, Stephen Malcolm,like all the guys and one day I...

...actually did a ton of interviews thatnight and I'll for my youtube, and so I had a red eye and I was like man I want to. I want totake this red eye, so I can get there in the morning. So I can. I can sleepon the plan I get there in the morning, but I suck it sleeping on planes, so Icould sleeping anyway. So I was like I have these two different stems of theseedible mits that no there, the like the like gummies', there's, the there's, the Indagatis is a Downer and then there'sdestation, which is upper, and I had had this stativa once before, and Ijust I just put me to sleep. This is like early like, like two days afterthe Nesera, so I had some relaxes your body. It's like it's likea body high. It's at the same is like when I smoke when I was a kid, and so Ijust relaxed. We put me asleep. So I had this bright idea of like all right.Like I've been a war sea like I've been taking five milligrams. I really wantto sleep so I'm going to combine just Tati, Va and combined to indigo, so Itook like fifteen grams of indigo and five grams of the STATIVA gummes, okay,so fifteen of the upper fifteen of the Downer out five of the upper wow, I'mguessing it might have been ten and fifteen or whatever. So now, I'm takingnow, I'm tripling my dose, but I really want to sleep, and I took it right, as my wife droppedme off the airport and I'm like a I'm going to take it now, you know I waslike she knows like I'm, not soing, I'm not doing this in secret, like I'm alegitimate pain cure guys. So I was really in guy pain. So I'm like, I cansleep so so I take some. I take all this and then right as I'm were aboutto board the flight. It just hit me like a pile of bricks.Everything slows down and it feels every moment feels likefinal destination. Everything is in slow motion. I am justChitchat and in sparking conversations with the people waiting in line to getget on the plane, just I'm not that guy like and I'm just talking yapping andthen we finally get on the plane. I have this great seat and I'm like I'mgoing to die like this plan is going down, I'm going to die. This is it oh?No I'm going to die is I'm texting. My wife, I'm texting.My Buddy Tiros, who had just went through leukemia, was going through theKema the time, so he was taking the stuff for pain relief as well. I thinkhe had just gotten discharged and I'm taking my buddy who's like a realstoner and I'm texting them and they're like you. Just relax like you'refeeling paranoid everything's going to be okay, just relax. So I so I'm tryingto relax I'm sitting there mine's going a hundred miles an hour someone's likedo just read the Bible. Just just read about my gym, read the Bible, thensomebody's like someone else says you should just write some raps right now.This would be a great time to write to wrap so like nothing's working likeevery my rap with the rap is awful. The Bible doesn't make any sense.Everything is just a train wreck, so then the plane take. Finally, I'msitting at really feeling like I need to get off this plane, like I'm reallylike. I got to get off this plane like, and I don't struggle with anxiety, butthis was intense. This was like my heart, like I could feel my heartbeating my my brain, like everything as wild, so I finally just close my eyes,I'm sitting there playing takes off and then in the middle of the flight Ifought dose off in the middle of the flight. I remember my my doctor, toldme: Hey make sure you get up because you may get blood clots because youjust had knee surgery like you're safe to fly, but you need to get up at somepoint because you make get black clubs. I like all right. So I wake up in themiddle of the fight to red I mind you breaking out thinking. I have bloodclots storming up and down the I like a man, we land, we land, I'm still high. It's seven am I'm still like out of it.I I hit my body Mike Mac he's like take the take the shuttle to the train tothe over to the H, and I got luggage because I got on my podcastingequipment. I got my backpack. I got merchandize like two big bags ofluggage on a backpack right. It's just terrible! So I'm like Oh, go, take onthis shuttle to go to here to take the Uber. So then I get to I get to the the AIRBNB and the Rabza guys atthe AIRBNB. It's seven am everyone's asleep tend not letting me in the airban, because everyone's asleep, so I'm like, I call my my go said Dude. Ican't get in the AIRBNB he's like a I'm going to come pick you up. I just got ahotel room. I was like all right cool. I don't know if I tell him at thispoint, he picks me up. I just confess everything to him. I feel so convicted.I'm still hi like I'm just as high as I was when we took off and Mikepicks me up, takes me to the hotelhe's like hey man. Yes, Steven...

Malcolm's there, it's a two room, it'sa two bedroom, you can you can you can sleep there and they pick you up aroundnoon or whatever for the workshop you're doing so. I've never met Stephen Malcolm inperson, so I'm like sweet like I'm high and I'm to share room with StephenMalcolm. So I pull up Gosh. I don't know if I should be saying all this, so I pull up steele welcomes there andI just confess everything to him like I'm, just I'm feeling so paranoidconvicted and I feel, like everyone can see it on me. Right, wait. Everythinglike just the weeds to the wee, not like your whole light, not the wholeteelee hilarious and see as like he's laugh he's the coolest do meet him. Istill like friends till his day because of this. Like this like moment, we hadso he's like. Oh Man, it's all good, like fikst and sleep, you know, so I goto sleep. It's like seven, a D, thirty eight. At this point I wake up at like twelve Mike Max, likeI'm out to come pick you up. Wake up, I'm still high he's like I. We got thisconference, we you know, I mean we got it. We got to go here. We got to go to go to the to the venue and then you'reon a pane at like twelve thirty or one it's a panel with Doc Watson, Shadhorden. So they pick me up and then like wepick up tizzle or thisll in the car. So then, like I'm, even more paranoid, sothen I confess the fizzle. So I'm just like it's just like confession: CentralRight, so we get to the venue, I'm still high and I walk in and it'sjust like a hundred Christian rapper fans and itfelt like all of them turned looked at me and like wanted to say hello all atonce, so I'm walking through this like see of people to the panel, sit down onthe panel and I'm still high. Oh my gosh dark. I confess the dark and ShadI'm just like guys like help me because I'm still like this is this is whatapelike I need serve. I explain I o any Serena. It was just too much so Isomehow make it through this pan. I think I posted a picture. You could seea picture of me and I'm just like smiling laughing the whole time, and I think everybody knows it can seeit on me. So we finish this. I'm text like how does this stop like is at thispoint, I'm getting paranoid and I'm like this- is it like? I did myself inI'm going to stay this way forever and I'm taxing my friend like why. Whywould anyone want to feel this way like this is stupid right, so text to myfriend he's like dude go, get a milk shake get some sugar and you baby it ahope. Full usit out, like really like a milk shies like just go, get him like.I don't know if I did Atisaya we do this whole thing. We get to the venuesound check, six thirty, I'm still high the milk shake and help nothing helped,and it did not wear off until right. When I started my interviews, so I hadinterviews from Derek Minor one day I forgot, who was rock star J T so on. Idid like four interviews that night is all a blur and then, finally, when Iwent on stage around like eight nine nine, then I was like in my right stateof mind, and that is the worst experience I've had with anything in mylife and I will probably never do cannabis again like like, or I wouldlike if I had like another surgery, I was injured or something like that- maymaybe like five other grands, but it's I really don't get it. I don'tunderstand. I understand the medicinal benefits like I understand like ifyou're in pain, my mom broke her shoulder and I likegot her some of the same thingmen, but she very very, very little she wouldtake, but to just like casually want to feel that way like why this is bizarre,so yeah, I'm good man. No, I'm I'm good on Candaba. I think it's very hard to make anargument that someone can concone cannabis and not be and still remain sober minded. I thinkit's very difficult to make that or because that's what the scripturescalled us to like be sober minded. I I don't know I don't know, but so I knowyou can have a g, a glass of wine. I don't drink any more, but I've had this. People may think. I'm laying forthis, but like I'll, have like a hard, cider whoa and be like Whoa like I'mfeel fine. This is great right. I knew Mike was hard, but I didn't know Ruslan. It was and they're good, but I justdon't see the value in drinking them yeah but, like I understand somebody havinga glass of wine or a couple, O glasses of wine or whatever and not being hi, and I think you can have a thinmint, an optimate, a mint of cannabis and not be high, but I think once youstart getting to fifty milligram, I mean I guess your tolerance goes anyway.So I just I can't remer right brain around. I know that's a big thing. Alot of Christians are smoking now and it's like all cool and edgy andwhatever and I'm just like. But what like yeah, I mean I'm testament here onthe PODCAST, that you can have a glass of wine and still be sober minded I'mjust kidding this is this, is a o says...

...arden? What are you so reminded, though? Could you imagine just cocktails withChristians here? We are, you think, you're drinking, your BA mate. You haveno idea, you spike at I mean I'm listening tostory and I'm imagining you like, opening up your Bible on the plane andaccidentally come into revelation, and Oh my really a Rod. I didn't go torevelation. I think I was like just reading like the Gospel like the Gospellike Gospel of John and Jesus Comfort. Me Right now he's like turning waterinto wine, and I mean yeah and trying to figure out like how can I remedythis and like? How do I make it stime milkshake was milk. Shake is what theytold me to do. I like Miksha, I'm like okay yeah. I was really like. How do Imake this that don't I don't want to feel this here? I don't understand whyanyone would I literally I I wish. I had the text messages, man, I lost thetext message, but I had like a long sequence with my wife with te RosTanner and with and my but and I'm not going to name my buddy, who is a stonerbut yet gotcha stone, er friend number one donor friend number, maybe Peno. We,you hung up yeah to me. It's just one of those like kind of blurry lines. Ifeel like right now in our culture and people, saying like Oh yeah, like it'stotally fine or people being really against it and just kind of likefiguring out. You know what is the right thing and for me, like one ofyour youtube videos that I heard one of the things you mentioned was if you'respending a lot of your pay check on it, then that's probably not a good thing.You know- and I guess I could go for anything like if you're spending abunch of money on alcohol weed and I'm just naming bad things, but even ifyou're spending a bunch of money on just entertainment, you know likeprobably not healthy, for your finances and like as a Christian you're,probably not being diligent right with what God has given you, and I know that you know on this show: There's been acouple times where we've rifted on Dave Ramseyand I just want Dave Ramsey to know we don't hate. You actually Dave. Ramseygot me out of debt. I am completely debt free and I know that Dave Ramseydid the same for you. So, starting from like your lowest oflows, can you take us through your financial journey and how Dave Ramseykind of helped you? We grew up me and my mother grew up onwelfare full on lighting up for food to get whatever we could, which is ironic, because I was born inthe Soviet Union and we would line up for rations there. So here we go fromthe Soviet Union lining of harassings to them. Like coming to America, my dadleaves and were on welfare. I don't even I don't think wehad food stamps. At least I do remember as having food steps, I just welfareand then we'd go and line up for different places for food. So I grew up like like poverty likepoverty, poverty right and I don't remember ever going without food, but Iremember having a line up to get free food like it wasn't just always thereand when I got but im I got married. We were kind of like my mom and me we kindof like middle class. I guess you could say so. You get married, we move out and we go on another vacation, the on our oneyear anniversary. Just like totally. Oh I'm. I was theone pushing this. My wife is very frugal, but I was like yeah on anotheranother cruise, like two cruises in a row which is like an hindside like one.I would never go on a cruise now right, like is not in two thouand and twentyone right, stupid vacation in Heisig. So I remember going on a cruise a yearinto being married, putting it on our credit cards broke and not really beingable to enjoy the cruise, because I know when we come back. I got all thisdead, I'm doing with all these different situations and what whathappened? What led? After that, as we discovered, we actually went throughCrown Financial First, which is the guy who mentor Dave Rams, He created aprogram called cron finance. I don't remember his name right now, but thenwe we discovered day Ramsey, and so thisis after this cruise and prior to that, I had cosine on a condowith my mom and she let it go into foreclosure. So I moved out. She letsit go in to foreclosure the has go to collection that, like she just stoppedpaying it right, and this is in the middle of like the housing crisis likethis is like Oh, six or seven or eight right like right as the market crashed,so you just stop paying it. So I cosine on this thing. So we are so I'm likemoved out at this point. We're you know not taking vacations on our credit cardslike a working the day, ransy baby steps we had our baby emergency fundwere a couple months in the process and I kept getting these notices totally myfault for R. The H way it was like it...

...was like twelve hundred dollars inhabeas like a hundred dollar. She stopped paying it so it added twohundred dollars that compounded to like five thousand dollars with fees andthey kept sending me notices like hey. You know, there's a judgment again.There's like go to court, then there's a judgment to get right and I didn't gobecause he had my last name is spelt on the paperwork. So I'm sitting herethinking like gas. This isn't me, like you guys, don't got me like whatever Ididn't realize that they had myself so security number. Oh, that matches right,so the names mis spelled but but whatever so I just ignored it like. Iwas like what is. Is this isn't my dad like this? Is My mom like she, I'vebeen moved out right, like I'm, trying to John a justified in my head. So thistwelve hundred dollar debt rolls into a five thousand dollar debt and I wake up one day we thankfully we hadjust paid our rent. Wake up one day were a couple months in a process. Wegot some good momentum going and my wife calls me and she's like hey ouraccounts or levied, and I was like what does that mean? She's, like all themoney from our accounts is taken out. I can't use the debit card and we have nomoney and I was like what and she's like yeah. So then, I'm like Pats critthank Ly. We just paid the rent O, then start figuring out what was going onand I figured out that this old debt called the bank got all the money fromour account wiped it. I wiped it, and this is like the second or the third ofthe month. So I'm like holy smokes right and again, thankfully, we justpaid our rent. We have no money and I start the process of like how do I dealwith this call the collections people. This is what you owe think we stillowed like another. Three grand daughter, we didn't have a ton of money, an Ican't. We had a thousand dollar mergency fun and like whatever ourbudget was maybe like another thousand or fifteen hundred dollars. So I startthe process. I go down this whole thing in the process. I check my own creditand I find out when my mom, let that place going to foreclosure. The firstmortgage was foreclosed on like the big one, but there was another sixtythousand dollar second mortgage. That was, on my credit, and I was- and Ijust owed it so now, I'm like holy moly like I owethis three grand. I owe all my other student loans. My car notes my counterlevied and I owe another sixty thousand dollars onthe second mortgage that didn't go into a foreclosure. It's just on my credit.This is like three or four years after my mom's out of the place now or two. Idon't remember the time line and I was like man. This is bad likethis is really bad, so I literally was looking at for CLUNET for closurebankruptcy. I was like man I might have to public like there's no way like thisis like over a hundred grand of debt right and I start doing research andfinding stuff out, and I was listening to day Ramsey the time we were so wedidn't. We didn't even go through his program, like we literally just readwhat the baby steps were and just listen. That's how broke we are. Wecouldn't even go to the program can't afford Financial Picannin. It we'relistening to the podcast every day, we're working the baby steps and listening to his show, he talked abouthow to settle Wi creditors, and so I remember listening to it and becausethis was an older dead, it's like a four five year old dead. They could,they would call- and no I called them. I found them calledthem and I said look this is old. This is going to fall off my credit in twoor three years anyway. I have a thousand dollars for you andI'll settle the sixty thousand dollars worth of debt for a thousand dollars,sixty thousand yeah for a thousand thousand and Jes laugh or they hang up.They were like. Let us get back to you. So call me back a couple days later andthey're like hey. Well, we'll accept it. No yeah this a guy oversea. So at thispoint the dead the sixty thousand, had been sold multiple times so they'regetting it for pennies on a dollar they're like whatever, like what we'lltake it. You know. So that's like right. At the paper Ook, I followed all thesteps rib to paperses him a cashier's check, and I settled that sixtythousand dollars a debt four thousand dollars. The ironic part is that twelvehundred dollars of hoase that my mom didn't pay. I had to pay the four fivegrand on that they knew they had me and so settle that paid off that. Eighteen months later wewere plus the other forty or forty five granted debt we had eighteen monthslater were completely debt free and every like everything turned around. Wewere able to save up a six month, emergency fund. We know I got a better job in theprocess of doing this in the process of that moment, I did something I neverdid, which done, which is a feature sale, so I rappers charge for features.I'd never done this before, and I wasn't that big. I maybe had like acouple thousand followers. Five thousand followers at the most you're.Just so I can clarify you're, saying, like you feature in someone song, yes,okay, so I put up, I say: Hey, I'm doing this feature, sale and d. If youguys want me on your song, this will be...

...the time to get me on your song reachout to me. I don't remember the system that I had. This is two thousand andten two thousand, and maybe two thousand- and even I don't remember itwas somewhere that but ball park, two thousand and eleven I think two thousand and ten- I don't remember,but did this feature sale? I made three grand in a week. I had never made thatkind of money before so hitting rock bottom pushed me to do something. I'venever done any more because we really need to need money for food like we hadno food money, and I did that feature sale and that unlocked something in meto say do like what I have is valuable. I have a skill set. I have influence, Ican monetize this and it completely changed the trajectory of how I sawmoney, how I sellon value as a creative. What was possible, and so by the timewe were out of debt. We we got out of debt. We, my wife, got pregnant, I was traveling doing shows we went toParis, we went to Rome, we went to New York, we did a bunch of traveling wash,she was pregnant, we were in Paris, emere one a we were in Paris and wewalked like two miles because we got lost. This is my five month pregnantfive month, praktises about five months. Pregnant were walking across pairs islike dark and late, and it was really good for us to like do a linear processof building our life. You know because most people just kind of jump in justlike we we're married now. This is that fun we had a very and we both come frompoverty like we both come from like there. There is no help like you know, so that was this this moment and then fastforward. We come back from Paris. My wife has the baby, I'm on staff at mychurch at this point and I'm also doing music. So this is rightas the dream junkies were starting to rever up and I just kind of kind offilled attention at my church. I was there for two years at that point and Iremember being on tour leave eyes. Maybe this is this is likeMarcher April yeah. This is south. By southwest, we are coming home fromsouth by southwest March leave. I was born in November, so the guys fivemonths at this point six months at this point, my wife is a stay at home. Mom,I'm working out a church and making decent money we're out of debt, but wehave six months of living expenses saved we've traveled, we've done allthe things that we want to do and I was like I called her and I remember allthe guys when I got ponchos and they were hanging out and I was like man forlike I don't I don't want to don't. I don't feel like I could work this jobanymore, so call her. I say: Hey, I think. When I get home we should prayabout, leaving the church, leaving my positionat the church not leaving church leave him a position of the church putting ina two week notice. Something like that and I roll life told me. I don't think, there's anything we needto pray about. I think you need to come home and put in your two week noticeand I was like what like you, are way more courageousthan I am. You know to just be like no like. We need to make this jump as anentre to entrepreneur and shet scene, like I'd proven to her that I couldmake money. I proven to her that I could provide, and so my wife had a waymore courage to me at that point, dude and so yeah we come home. We put in atweak notice. This is March Day, didn't they we turned into a two month noticedit kept me through the end of May, which again this is my church family,so I'm not so e and in June first twenty fifteen. I go full time as acreative and you could actually guys look up my day as a full time rapperand you actually see my very first day as a full time rapper I did it did oflog series back then on that and again man, so I nave been full time withcreative stuff. Ever since that's amazing, like that's absolutelyincredible and I shot out to Dave Ramsey, stop pooping on Dave, Ramseyyeah. We love you dave. I feel, like you know, just like hearing that. Firstof all, you were talking about all the places that you travel and I wasthinking the only time I've ever done. That is that Epcot here in Orlando,going from like Rome like Paris and all these places anyways youtalk about like because I think that a lot of people when they're like listingoff their spiritual maturities or like their disciplines, I don't think thatthey would necessarily like list like manning up and taking care of yourfamily and, like figuring out, how am I going to provide- and I think that justlike hearing you talk about like that, you know you had that hopeless mindsetthat poverty mind said that woe is me mindset or just like whatever happensto that low socioeconomic class yeah. You know theyjust kind of feel like they're, stuck and they're in that Rut. Yeah and youknow it's like they focus on prayer they'll go to church. You know theymight be getting discipled by somebody, they might be decided. Others like theyhave all these other spiritual things in their life, but they're, not maturein like manning up and owning. You know their families finances, so how do you view that, as far W as beingpart of spiritual maturity? That's a...

...great question and I was just textingwith Dr Eric Mason who's. I've had him on my channel and, I think,he's brilliant. He wrote the book urban apologetics. He really passed as achurch out in Philadelphia and we were having this conversation and he one ofthe things he said to me. As he said. Sometimes our theology is experienced,meaning we experience things and we kind of form questions around ourtheology said if you think about it. A lot of the New Testament is Paul or Peter Answering questions toquestions that people had, and he said he said. Poor people and rich peoplehave different questions, and I was like man that that is so spoton that I had totally different questions assomeone that's coming from poverty, single parent household, my wife,coming from from poverty in a foster care system, we have that in it systemshe was adopted by her best friend's mom when she's like sixteen seventeenlegally and then that's how we met so we're coming from experiences where ourquestions are just different. You know how like do. I I just always livepaycheck to pay check. This is a is what this is. The best that I could dowith my life is his all my potential that God right so much of that is subconscious andsubtle, and so much of that requires people being exposed to different ideasand different ways of thinking and, if you're, coming from a middle classbackground, if you're coming from upper class background, sometimes you youdon't know what it's like not to have food, so you're, not asking thequestions of like how do I give glory to God in my finances, because you'vealways kind of had this media. But if you look at eighty five percent of America'smillionaires, our first generation rich, meaning they come from nothing, theybecome millionaires. Eighty five percent- sixty five percent ofAmerica's billionaires- would be our first generation rich. They come fromnothing, they become billionaires, so there's something about not having andthen expanding versus all like I've always ate nutritious food and always had a car and always had a you know, ACright when you don't have that, and so I think you then don't understand thatc. You don't have the capacity to know everything your parents have to do toget you there or everything their parents have to do to get them thereand wealth begets wealth. That's the one of I think the pros and the cons ofa free market society is wealth, begets wealth. So if you understand how wealthworks, it's very easy to just let it compound on top of each other. If youdon't understand how wealth works, you're, always just working to eat andyou're, never building on anything, and so I think it's a deeper question,because one it's a question of responsibility. I believe people inNorth America in the West have a obligation to some degree to care forthe poor to care for the widow to care for the orphan. We are in the most prosperous time. Ithink the world has ever seen as much as it's hard and there's wealth inequality and all these kind of things, but we are in a time where it's someonelike me can literally go from nothing to something within a very small window.So I think, there's a a personal responsibility to a am I doing the mostwith my time, talent and treasure per matthew. Twenty five, I think, there'sa moral obligation that if I have the ability to build wealth, not just forthe benefit of myself and my family, but for the benefit of others, I should and that's the that's the Lens I'mlooking at it from, and I think most people probably just haven'texperienced poverty, don't know what it's like to go to poverty and alsodon't know how to take their experiences and help other people andthat's what what probably brings me the most amount of joy is. I think thatentrepreneurship, kingdom, entrepreneurship, ethical wealthbuilding solves a lot of people's problems. I think it saws a lot ofproblems from wealth and equality to so many different things that we'redealing with marriages, strain marriages. The majority of divorces arebecause of money, fights and money trouble right, and so if people can geta hold of their finances and then it just impacts everything else aroundyour life. It impacts your fitness right t this studies and most peoplewho go through Dave Ramsey plan who get their free, also lose weight. That's aninteresting coronation. You know, and I've never heard that, because youstart working that discipline muscle. You start telling yourself. No, no! Youcan't just buy this because you feel like it. No, you can't just eat thisbecause you want it right, and so I think Dave Ramsey in my life has beenvery helpful on a very practical level in gate, giving me an imagination todream. I've met him once briefly cool guy, and I think that is why...

...some of the stuff that's came out of sodisheartening is like man. You really have a voice that I think people likeyou have a message that people need don't get bogged down in the nonsense.That then, creates a barrier for people to listen to you because of whatever,like God, you just going to be flipping you're going to say you know, likedon't don't that's the part. That's a bummer that I think a lot of folks whohave really good ideas, kind of just or a little too flippantwith their language, and then it becomes a barrier, and some peopleactually need the information it becomes. A stumbling block like peoplewere in poverty, who probably lean a little democratic, because, that's allyou know that's what you've been conditioned to believe a actually needthe day Ramses, and so I don't know how he's going to evolve and pivot, becausewho he is now is a little more unfiltered a little more aggressivethan when I was into him twelve years ago right and he was, he was a littlesofter, he's gentler and she's. Like he's kind of progressively gottenangrier, you know it's probably because you get attacked a lot to probably youknow you got to put up a little bit of a wall a little bit of a guard, butit's interesting to hear you say all that, and I also know like for you. It wasn't like. Oh I'm just sittingaround, not doing anything being comfort and Olie complacent with mylife. It was almost like. You were pursuing rap. You were going hard at it, but maybe even though you were great atbeing a wrapper, and maybe that was something that you were passionateabout, it wasn't the best seat for you and now that I see you finding, like Imean you have, you are like going full force with Youtube right now and it'slike yes, you could have continued to be a rapper, but I feel like when youfound this new seat and the youtube realm like. Not only are you lovingwhat you do, but you are also now. I think a happiermay be with it or are more successful with it. I don't know- and I and Icould be completely wrong on that, but my question to you is like: Do youthink that sometimes people are just like the right people, but in the wrongseat? Yeah? I think the right people in the wrong seat, I think not having theluxury to try enough things to figure out what the right seat is. That's aluxury like I think we forget like to be able to be in a position where I'mat work. Yes, I'm coming from a perspective where it's like sports orentertainment that that that those are those are the options right or theperceived options right like I could have went to job corps and become aplumber or something like that as well that but the the options that you thinkyou have are sports and entertainment. The plane was become a professionalbasketball player that was really planning. What happened? I discoveredthat there has never been an Armenian in the NBA ever and I'm half Armenian. So half of myDNA is like Bon: that's it it's a rap hmm if it shut and shout out to my buddyroof fit. He says this. If you factor in the Cardassian Armenians have taken more basketballcareers away from the bad it shut out the fast. So I guess if, whenI do what I did that when I discovered that I was like oh well, I just this isthis is not in the cars I'm five foot, nine five foot ten sophomore year, I don't have the capacity and I wasonly Chi- am only child. In terms of me and my mom, I have a half brother andsister on my dad's side were real close now. But as a kid I didn't, I wasn't very. Iwasn't a team player. I didn't quite understand authority because my fatherfirs on so I couldn't really function on like a traditional basketball team.So there's a lot of things. I was like okay. Well, this isn't working. I gotcut my sophomore year and people like Michael Jordan, got cut US off moreyear. Michael Joran got cut us off more year from his varsity basketball team.He still played junior varsity basketball. I got cut from my juniorvarsity see okay, so I within I was already dabbling in music,and I was like, let's just let's just do that, and what really did it was mymom at that point where now we're kind of like middle class now or lowermiddle class, and my mom got me a computer. This is two thousand and one yeah, two thousand and one- and Iwas like the one of the first guys with a computer with a little recordingstudio. Equality was awful, but I was able to start very early with home recording that was a luxury. I was the only kid that had a recordingstudio me and, like one other family, that I knew had a recording student,not like a name as a studio. I compared to this. It was like it slike, a PCwith a terrible interface and like a condenser microphone, no pop filterlike and I would go and buy. I would go to the post office storelike the postal ANEC store and I will buy boxes and I would put boxes likelike a hard board and I would break...

...apart the boxes and I would put them upas like. A booth like I built my own booth with cardboard boxes and I don'tunderstand like panels, it just all sounded terrible, but that was a luxurythat most people don't have so like that, and then from that I learned howto produce music. I learned how to mix a little bit and then from that I wasable to learn video editing and from videoediting. I was able to get a job at my church doing the video and the mediateam. While I was doing music with music, I started getting exposed topeople that were doing music at a full time level, making six figures- or youknow, high eighty thousand seventy thousand years, so between meeting guyslike Shobara and Le Cray earlier in the process, I'm like Whoa. This ispossible in Christian music and then also had friends that were just notlike the in the secular side of things. Doing College shows that we're doingwell, just booking secular college show so I'm like Oh, like I could actuallydo this in two thousand and eight tousand. Nine is before chance torapper this before rust. This is before it was cool to be an independent artist.There was no pathway, it was like how do y heck? Do you build an audience?This is before instagram right, but I had access to people that were makinggreat money playing colleges non Christian colleges and Christians whowere making money playing churches. I knew there were so I had access andexposure to people. That's a luxury, that's a privilege! That's not that's!Not some people, people don't have now with the Internet the words a littlesmaller. So there was always these moments that I think in got sovereigntythat he positioned me to have these encounters with people that glet medream, and once I was able to dream, then it just okay hot now. How do Ireverse engineer and develop the type of character and integrity in the skillset to to become artist? First then learn howto become an entrepreneur, and then it was like okay. Now, if I'm anentrepreneur, I have to objectively sit back and say it's not about what youwant to do. It's about. What's missing in a market place and what problemyou're trying to solve and the truth is we don't need anotherChristian rapper, hmm like we don't we have a bunch of them there there's abunch of them incredible who are incredible and what is the pro, and Iknew that, based on my skill set based on my experience, my life story, therewas a bigger need in a bigger gap. I could fill with what I'm doing now andI still do music, like I'm stuff, put out me, I'm in the process of puttingout music now and it's fun, but it's not the bread and butter and it's notas there's les pressure. I can hire people out, so I don't have to produceit and mix it. Do everything myself and it's actually more fulfilling to do itnow and this end of the music revenue stream long term because of publishingis actually really lucrative. If you understand how that works, most peopledon't understand how works like I happen to understand. I work, which ishow I was able to quit my job in thousand and fifteen and go full timewith music. So, yes, I'm happier doing youtube. It's less work, it's morefulfilling it's! I don't have to travel as much. I get to spend way more timewith my family and I think it actually solves some very tangible problems forpeople, which is what I really wanted to do. Initially, I really wanted tosolve problems and it's like well what just you know. I just I'll do the musicfor that, but it music doesn't translate the same for conversationlike this, like I couldn't have like writing a song about financial literacylike like you know like what is it like? I'm debt, free yeah like it just ascringe like to try to wrap about that kind of stuff like school house rockkind of stuff. Yes, yeah, you mentioned like Indie, music like blowing up andnow being like the cool thing. It was awesome Ashley and I actually got to go to holysmoke fest and see like a ton of Indi artists and rappers. W E got to hangout with deal and Mowgli and John. I mean like a lot ofguys that you have done songs with Yeah Yeah. Those are those are my friends,those like my real friends, yeah. I know I was honestly thinking that Imight have seen you there like. I was like you know, Ri. Actually, my if Iwasn't, if I wasn't doing this, I may have went to that. Okay, because youchose us over holy smoke, absolutely yeah. Let's I chose and I got a bigdeal. Man No del, I bring in my family, which was fun about this holy smoke. Iwouldn't have been fun to bring my family. We wouldn't have done anythingbut yeah go ahead. I'm sorry! I do know I and we hope that you love Disney. Imean I literally I mean I worked for Disney for five years and left a jobthat I loved to come. Do this kind of similar to what you were saying withlike I could have stayed at Disney like and I could have made great money, butI feel like with what God has given me and with like what I can do throughthis podcast. For me, I don't know if this is exactlywhat you're going with your message of love, what you do, but it's like I'mfinding something that I love and something that I feel like is biggerand something that I can be used in a bigger way because yeah there's a tonof cast members at Disney. That can be out there doing what I was doing,making magic and, like you said, there's a ton of wrappers out theredoing that. But, like I feel like I...

...have a special gifting here, you have aspecial gifting, obviously on Youtube. If you're not watching, rose line stuffon Youtube, go check it out, it's phenomenal amazing stuff, but myquestion kind of going with the love. What you do is that similar to like,because I know what the ovid thing- the world shut down everybody's sitting attheir house, not working- and I remember thinking having that thought.Oh, is summer, break baby. Let's go like this gonna be so much fun. We'regoing to binge. You Know Disney plus that had just come out we're likeworking puzzles, we're like having so much fun and then all of a suddenyou're, just like sitting there you're like I'm kind of depressed one weeklater. He like what am I doing, and you know, and I have conversations withpeople that are still sitting at home- not doing anything and the reasoning iswell. If I can't find a job that pays more than unemployment, why would I gofind a job? And I'm thinking, maybe for your, like everything inside of you,yeah yeah, like is that kind of what you're going with with with the love,what you do? Yeah, okay, yeah, so talk about that a little bit the mantrathat's pushed to us, I think in our culture, specifically Genz millennials there's this do what you love right. Do What youlove and if you guys watch the wee works documentary that was a lot of itlike do what you love, do, what you love and then you found out that was acult you're like Oh, these foks. This is afong call. This is crazy and the guy, like you know, the company gotevaluated to be a sixty billion dollar company, but they weren't a techcompany. They were just a Co. Spacing Company didn't own any of the realestate they become to sixty billion dollar company. The CEO gets away witha billion dollars like eight hundred million dollars and like they almostcollapse, and you know now they're not worth a fraction of the sixty billion.There were one time evaluated to do, and it was like this all built on thisfarce of do what you love and I think in my case, I had to first learn tolove what I do before. I ever got a chance to do what I love. I first hadto learn to be faithful in the little things which the new testament andJesus talks about right being faithful and what was in front of me so before Iever had a chance to even work a cool job like to being the media guy. At mychurch I was working with adults with developmental disabilities and it wassuper fulfilling and Super Fun wow yeah, because I had I learned to love what Ido in honor God in all things, and I think that shift in my mentality inthat is isn't like. Oh I just Joe Job. I just got to show up and right no likeit brought dignity, it brought character and integrity. To me, itreally changed who I was from the inside out and every time the morefaithful I was in the little things. The more God would advance me to do the things that I actuallylove to do, which is Youtube and communicating and music. So I thinkthere's this entitlement we have because of technology and all thesedifferent things and some people, listen man. If you're seventeeneighteen you're just starting out, you could probably finess it and just jumpright into what you want to do. If you are smart and you understand technology,but the vast majority of s probably going to have to go on some kind ofjourney to discover what is it that we want and what are we good at and try abunch of different things, so that has to maintain that perspective of like Ihave to learn what I love I have to. I have to learn to love what I do and ifI can learn a lot, what I do eventually, I will develop a skill set to do what Ilove and I think that's missing. I think there's a gap there and that'swhat that's the heart behind it is. We have to have that perspective becauseif we don't then it's, why would I go get a job if I could just collect anemployment? And it's like for your mental health, for your sanity, foryour dignity? You know, like you just sitting there what binging shows andgetting fat like this is not going to end well like this is not going to endwell for you and I think, there's so much dignity and just work like justwork. Getting up, I mean even just whatever they got the most remedialwork and there's dignity in that man. There's dignity in serving a person,there's dignity in cleaning. Sometimes I go and my long Iam not the hands o Mans Fancy. I don't even know what they call it, I'm notthe handy man. Sometimes I go into my backyard and I just do yard work and is so cleansing like it feels goodto just work with your hands and just do something and it doesn't make senseon paper like. I should definitely just hire a gardener, but because I findfulfilment I can throw on a podcast. Work is good. God created work to begood and then because of the fall, then he became thorns and phizzes. Then itbecame hard. Then it became you know, and I think once you're you have. Thisring you encounter with Jesus and your heart gets regenerated. I think, thenyou can have that redemption of work...

...and even if you don't get to go and docool stuff, you can still have that dignity in that value and work, andthat that's ultimately what I'm after is like. How do I communicate that topeople so that we have more people thriving and flourishing? And it's andit's tough, because a lot of this can sound very like prosperity, Gospel, ishright, like a man, just God's going, no bless you with a cool job. It's like well, six billion people in the world willnever have a car wow. Like that's a lot of people right,we're like yeah. We have so again. What is our context? What do we have here?How can we work here in this context in a way that honors, God with what's beengiven us, so that maybe we could help some of those six billion people rightsponsor kids and all these different things, and I think that's the partthat gets a little. It gets a little messy because you can't always takethis and make it applicable to everywhere, because it's not applicableto everywhere. There are people that will never the like their survivalwould just be on. We have to walk to get water and we have to walk to dothis, and but there's still dignity in that work, there's still dignity andhow they have to survive. And that's what I that that's like my heart islike man again. If there's more Christians, thriving and flourishinghere, we can build more wells in parts of the world that needs well, so theydon't have to spend a day going and getting water, and I guess, likefifteen, grand to build a well in a village in South America and Asia andAfrica, fifteen grand that's, not a lot of money right, so I think that'swealth can be really used to help people that otherwise wouldn't haveaccess right and it's like. If we have plenty, why not generously give topeople who don't have the same privileges and luxuries that we do yeah,I mean being able to have riches and have wealth and havefinancial freedom allows you to be able to help so many other people. I meanthat's kind of what we talked about here. As you know, kind ofbehind our mission is not necessarily having a lot of money, but just kind ofgoing out on that limb and deciding you know, hey and you could blame it on theBible. You know, say the Bible made me, do it but saying you know what I want to dosomething bigger with my life than just sit at home and watch Netflix and drawan employment or wait for God to magically. Give me a job, and if thatis you and you're just sitting at home waiting. Why don't you pull out yourcell phone right now and text freedom to eight three, three, three: Seven:Zero One and six one! Oh, and I know that we've been talking about this forepisode after episode and now it's finally launched and it's went live,and so now you can actually like go on and we've got people doing it, butanyways I've been going through the seven day. Prayer Challenge- and youmentioned earlier- that your wife went through the foster care system. Is thatwe so not through this system. So she was I so my mother in law, my father in law, they've, had somerough times in the s a lot of the war on drugs. They roar war on drugs, thingkind of took them out and they did some some jail time prison time that kind ofstuff, and so my mother in law, would move back andforth and she'd go between Dallas, Seattle, San, Diego and she'd kind ofrotate, and so my wife, who was in high school at the time you know she did like a year of highschool in Seattle, came back down when sang back to out of right. This wholething, so she was hanging out with her bestfriend and they were like hey. You know you can come stay with us, and so sheends up moving in with her best friend and they think legally went through theprocess of like becoming her foster parents. Can it wasn't? She was in thesystem, it was that she went to live with her her mom, her best friend's mom and her best friend in their family,and that was like a really cool she got plugged into a church. She wasGod we that a Ewe. We had the same high school, she's, able to say in the samehigh school we met in high school and became acquaintances and yeah, and thensome of her nieces and nephews have definitely been through the system andbeen yes rough rough stuff, closed adoptions, open adoptions and were ableto kind of help. Some of them, you know, be and be really reallypresent in their lives and that's nice. So the foster care system is kind ofpersonal yeah like near and dear to your guys, hearts yea, my my niece lives with us, so she's awesome. She was an APOSTARsystem. I see my nephew all the time he is, I think, I'm pretty sure he'slegally adopted. They both know their biological mom, which is my my I mysister in law, my wife's sister, okay and so yeah. So they're super. UThey're super ad man so, like I love...

...hanging out there, you know my niece islike she about to be twenty one and September. My nephew is sixteen she's going he'sgoing into a sophomore year of high school, so yeah and and so yeah. I love.I love hanging out with them and I would love my nephew to move in with me,but he lives in the valley with his foster mom and I'm like dude. You know,but my now my mother in law is living with us, so were like any time t nusa, it's the other way around. It'slike the you know the mom waiting for the kids to move out like okay they're,like thirty now still living in the basement, playing video games. Let getto get you you've moved in your wife. Now you had a child, it's like all right! So something else that I feel like ishappening right now in our world is canceled culture, people gettingcanceled and one of my first videos that I actually saw a view. It was onethat James had sent me was your exposed series and I'm curious like okay,because, first of all, if you have an exposed video series who's going tocancel you like you've already, you know essentially done what cancelculture does to yourself right. You're, like hey ha, I was first to it, but I'mcurious like do you think that that do you think that that is thenext movement for celebrity videos? You know kind of like I am second, do youthink we're going to see a bunch of celebrities now doing these videos where they exposethemselves and also what was your thought process behind doing thosevideos? I hope so. I hope I hope we see more of that, because I think then youget a better paradigm for what, where celebrities, coming from anunderstanding what they're about and understanding their perspective. Ithink I some of what I did is preemptively, so that you can't dig upanything on me like there's nothing to dig up. This is where I'm at this iswhere I'm still trying to discover things here is my story, so that is pre emptive like that ispreemptive, transparent, taking ownership of the narrative, because Ithink when you don't do that, then you open yourself up to potentially, if yousay something that people weren't expecting you right and it's like well,no. This is what I've always been on like what are you talking about right,so I think yeah. I think you have to. I think in my opinion, you should do itpreemptively, because if you don't do it pre entie, then you somebody's goingto try to dig that up. I think when I think it cancel culture. I think rightnow of what the baby is going through. I don't know if you know who the babyis he's a rapper hm. The baby is a fascinating wrapper. Very he's makescool music it's, but it's very misogynistic and it's very violent at times right and the baby.has this long track record of being combative and violent on camera, withfans with security with fans right and what really kind of got him to take off?And this is a little dark, those you guys that know the back story, so hewas already making music he showed up to south by South West in two thousandand seventeen. What a diaper on like the baby diver, I think, even went byBaby Jesus at one time. Oh so he shows up so he's been chipping away, a musicbeen doing it for a long time, but where he went viral is there were twoshooting cases back to back where he fought off people in self defense, and one of the folks was him with hisfamily shopping, a Walmart and somebody pulled up on him and tried him andbecause North Carolina is like, I think, a open carry state or whatever he is agetting into an alturas and killing this dude wow and then goes viral rightand then goes vi like that story goes viral and then all of a sudden, hismusic started kind of bubbling up again and he took off and he had to deal withinner scope and prior to this he was again. He wasalready in a music industry and like what kind of set him on I mean. Themusic was always like catchy and in front, but was this like these violentincidences? And so he has, and then it was another home invasion where someonebroke into his house, he shot. Somebody kill him. I don't know if you killedhim that time, so this dude is like a documented he's, killed people right inself defense and I'm all for your Second Amendment Rights and but hedidn't, he didn't just do that like he dropped the mixtape like a week after conveniently timed, he kind of talksabout it. A lot talks about that he's, like has bodies you know, he's killed.People before like he's talked about that before and again I'm giving him toBenfit a doubt, but this dude is a documented killer with a very violent music at times right, andhe does he an says. These things are kind of like funny ways you know and what happened in the last week and ahalf as he performed it rolling loud, and he made some comments. That went Imean they were very crash comments about. They were trying to get thecrowd hype and it was like Yo. If you...

...know, if you ain't got HIV AIDS, putyour phones up if you're a woman and your couche smells like water. Put yourphones up. If you ain't in a parking lot doing oral. Another gentleman putyour phones up war, I o the hole, so he says these things and they're trying toget the crowd now. This is going to this is going to translate super weird.When you don't hear the crowd and you don't wish you're not there for the e,but they just trying to do call in response for crappin stuff not tojustify anything. You just said, and what happened was that set off like a wild course ofevents, and they were saying that this is these? Are Homophobic statements thetie into AIDS, the tie into giving gentlemen oil in a parking lotright and the baby's like what like? I have gay fans. I this isn't what youguys talking about you know and he kept trying to brush it off. Kip Hon, Obrusher. I kept trying to Bush it off, and then he had like every like four orfive festivals, cancered back to back to back to back to back, Lala plus wascancelled. Austin festivals, like he just got, dropped off on all of thesefestivals back to back, show start getting fat. So here's a guy who is a documented killer. Okay, there'smultiple videos have been beating people up or getting into scuffles withpeople or his body guards beating up fans that he felt were disrespectful tohim. His music is wildly misogynistic, it'svery it's fairly violent and the thing that gets him canceled is not wrappingabout murder. It's about saying something kind of in sensitive aroundsomething else kind of insensitive. We regarding to the LGBTQ community rightright, that's where we are this in this space, and so he had to he issuedmultiple apologies and then finally, like the last, and he like it, was morelike clearing up like guys now, like, I don't, have a problem with gay peoplelike there was a gay person in the front row of the show like what youtalking about a d, and it was, it just got worse and worse and worse, and thenhe finally issued like you know people, don't let you grow before you, I'mstill trying to educate myself on this topic and how insensitive my likeyou've issued like a full on like apology, and it just goes to show thatthis. These are the things that can get you cancelled in the moment and he did his best to own his narrative asas well as he could. But there's still, this weird imbalance were like murder,wrapping about murder and wrapping about women, giving you oral wheneveryou want them and how much of a you know, player you are is okay, Masagan,he's! Okay, violence is okay, murder's, okay, but this this is absolutely not okayand if you dare say anything about it, you're cancelled, I mean, and it waslike guys like quest love from the roots and everybody cough out, and I'mnot get I'm not justifying what he said, but I was think that's the space wherein where you can say something and not, even not even on paper, sound crazy,but because of the context and the climate. Now you have four or fivefestivals back to back, getting canceled right and like it's nowimpacting your entire momentum. So I I don't know how to navigate that forsomeone like the baby like how does he work through that, like you know, and ahypocrisy and all of this like the double standards and all of this?That's the thing that is frustrating about cancel culture. Is it's justreally like that's? This is what gets him canceled like all the other steps?Okay, though you know yeah, I mean it's insane because growing up as a is kidand seeing like I mean for me, my hip hop was my first likeartist. I listened to was manm and I fell in love and hearing all the stuffhe had, and I think that just I mean you talk about violence, you talk about.You know slandering people, you talk about somebody who probably would havegot canceled if he would have been a new wrapper today. You know. I just think that it comesfrom t e, the power of social media, the power of the Internet, the power ofeveryone having a voice now yeah- and it's like. I love that you kind of tookthe you know you kind of got the the jump on on that world and said you knowwhat I'm going to expose myself we're going to put it all out. There can'tcome after me and now you're kind of taking the Internet and the socialmedia world and using it to your advantage. Like watching your videos,you do like the split screen and on one half you'll have like a zoom videogoing, which I'm guessing you know these people, or these are strangers or,like you in our patron community. Oh that's, awesome yea. So he put a paybarrier. So you so you have to at least sign up for Patriot to call in and andthey so that way like the zoom calls, not just publicly open and we can getlike you know, trolled and spar. I get my chat, roulet do alike, okay got cayeah, so so these are fans of years, paying they and then it's just like arandom lottery. If they is like five people, no, no, we just open up thezoom call and then so like they can call in and ask a comment or whateveryeah wow. So you are not only building community o but you're, also creatingcontent at the same time. That is...

...phenomenal. Yeah was that part of theplan? Well, I'm again big Dave, Ramsey Guy M. I love the Askev show. I thinkwhen you can have the content create itself when you can have the peoplecreate the content for you, I think that's the ultimate. That's theultimate content creation strategy right is like people call in you answertheir questions or, at the very least, you at least know what they'reinterested in you at least know what they want to talk about very empowering as a creative yeah Imean that's super I mean I feel like it's convenient for you and then alsoamazing, for like the super fans to be able to feel like they're, a part of itand then to see their videos go live like Oh. My Gosh, like my question, isthe newest video on Ricelands page and now you're like using this premierfeature I saw like videos are dropping and people can like wait and lit lobbyuntil they drop yeah super cool one of your videos. You talk about this word:Churchy, anity, okay, you, member what I'm talking to bout, your Chisho, shehanded a lot yeah and not too many people use churchianity. You knowthey'll say like Christian es and but churching anity. Can you give ussome examples of what churchianity is and explain the dangers of it? Churchianity is when you combine churchculture and then like the little intricacies ofchurch culture, and you start making those Christianity, meaningChristianity is a two thousand year old religion with multiple types of peoplewho all color within the lines of what we will call Orthodox Christiandoctrine. There's some things that most Christians hold to that are. These arethe essentials of our faith. What and this is broad, I'm musing very broadapproaches. So if you, if you align yourself with scripture and you alignyourself with like the early creeds, the apostles screens and the scene,creeds God, Jesus is God salvation by grace through faith right, Mary was awas the Virgin Virgin Birth of Christ, so you color within those lines. Ithink you're a Christian right, anything that doesn't call out sidethose lines when you just saying Jes is not God. Okay, now that's somethingelse where that's not that's my question, so I used the word Christianivery broadly. So I think Ethiopian Orthodox is Orthodoxy isChristianity. They have some other books in their in their Bible. Like theApocrypha, I think a lot of Catholics are Christians. Right so there's that awhole Christian, F Catholic divide, like I think, if you color within annow, I don't agree with everything that they you know. Maybe the emphasis theyput on Mary is a bit much or think. Catholics believe Mary remained avirgin even after Jesus birth, which I don't I'm not sure about that. soforgive me O, don't don't don't cancer in me, Catholics, but I think so there's some thingsthere that I disagree, but I think like if you pull to the to the Gospel youhold to the creed you hold to the essentials of the faith what'shappening in America is that we then take other things and and like ad stuffto that, and then you create this like weird, hybrid culture that isn't reflective of your originalculture and you're a rid like where you come from and you create a new culture.So it's not God, doesn't save you to help you go back in and redeem yourculture. No, No God saves you and put you in another bubble and now you'reisolated from culture and now you're removed, and now there's these very different rules for how you haveto conduct yourself and how you have to vote and how you have to think and howyou have to engage with people and who you who you're allowed to be friendswith, and it's very bizarre and you said Christian is it has his ownlanguage. It has his own music, it has his own, even style of dress, and now,instead of God, is redeeming culture through Christians and the parts ofColter that are non biblical red, reject and the parts of culture thatare fine. We accept we now go in and we in a whole another culture, we'vecreated a separate culture, and I think that can get really weird and reallybizarre and and yeah. I just think it gets really weird so think churchianityis like the epitome of that. You know it is the opinon of it's just weird,like I think of like one of my one of my heroes in the faith. Saint Patrickand you see what Saint Patrick did. Saint Pathrick goes to Ireland, whichis predominantly not Christian, they're, Pagan full on, like ninety five percentpagan or something crazy, and he goes there and he engages them and he doeseverything. The culture does and accept the pagan stuff instead accept thepagan worship except to pagan idolatry except there, but but he engages themin the culture right and by the time he dies. The vast majority of Ireland isconverted and is Christian, wow right and he doesn't go in there trying tobuild a new culture. He know there's things that are okay about your culture,but these things I'm not doing the...

...pagan worship. I'm not doing thesethings. These things are bad right and you re check to sinful parts. So Ithink that's the that's the part we haven't found in America, yet we justkind of combined. We hybrid everything. So there is a conservative Christianculture. There's Christian nationalism, there's all these little weird segments,and it's very interesting because what happens? Is those values in the ethosof that culture that this new hybrid culture then become the standards whichsomeone must live by from the way you dress to the way you act to the music?You listen to, and that's very bizarre to me, yeah, and I think I mean youtalk about it, a lot of just like turning non essentials into essentials,yea of the Church and, like I think, as Christians, we need to figure out, likeyou know, and be able to draw that line of like what is actually doctrine likewhat is the Bible saying and then what is just kind of our culture that we arecreating a. But you also talked about it's funny because, like Ashley, myfiance was raised Catholic and you know I'm Protestant, and so the two of us, you know, will have ourlittle just like jokes about that. But it is funny how sectors of the Churchwill believe that they are the only ones that have it right. Yes or maybe that that their individualchurch is the only one that has it right, Oh yeah, or that theirtranslation of the Bible, Hello, I'm looking at you k, J vs, you know theonly crowd yeah they're like if it's not the king, James version, then it'snot. You know the truth, and I think that you know I believe in the Small ChurchSea, but I'm curious like what your stance is on all the different types ofchurches and why you believe so much in attending the Little Sea Church. It's unfortunate. I don't know if God'spleased when he looks down and he sees forty thousand different Christiannominations- world wide three hundred of them active in America. I o'too likeyeah, that's what I wanted they're all computed. Yeah like I don'tknow. If that's that's there, so I think to me the essentials are: What'sClearin scripture like what's fairly clearing, show God created a man, God ra now. Was it a literal sixdays of creation, or was it a old earth the earth that he made old or was itmillions of years in between each day or was it some form of hybrid andintelligent design? Like I don't know right, but there are people to be likesix days. The Earth is six thousand years old and if you don't believe that you'reout and I'm like really like really like- that's that's that's you know, so I think it's clear God created. I think it's clear that he made man inhis image. I think it's right, so I think what's clear in scripture andthen what's like, we don't know because if you go to the to the Hebrew word ofthat word day, it's a different word day than other parts of the Hebrew that,where day could mean an extended period of time where, if you look at otherparts there's a day that means like sunrise to sunset, like a like a twentyfour hour. Time Span right and you just blewpeople's mind to say that the Bible wasn't written in English. I in thefirst a right crazy, like somebody I saw, I saw mem and it said somethinglike Genesis, one one. You know something about America and I was likewhat like how is yeah genes is one one and it's as some about like somethingabout a Mar. I kind to find them Ma. I think I was on memes for Jesus was likefirst God made Pangea, and then he split off Amara yeah, something I justlost my voice, God literally, as I don't be saying that yeah so so I thinkthere's a clear essentials right. I think if you anybody that reads, Thegospel of John Jesus is clearly divine multiple times he's accepting worshipmultiple times, you're trying to kill him for claiming to be God, it's fairlystraightforward right. If we know that Jes is coming back, we know thatthere's a Jesus coming back, that's really shirt forward. We know thatJesus resurrected bodily resurrected. It wasn't a metaphor. It wasn't anallegory right and there's people that, like that, oh I lithe literally rise.No, he literally rose that was bodily right. That happened he better right.So when you start coloring outside of those lines of essentials, I would say:okay, that's not Christianity, that's something else right, the thescriptures being inspired. I think I think that's one of theessentials in regards to Peter was saying. Paul's letters were thoriteright and- and he said even though they're hard to understand, so I thinkthere's there's a degree that the like, like the scriptions, inspired theirauthoritative. So I think those are some of the essentials, but I think ifsomebody has liberty in other areas, I don't think that whatother areas, election creation, youknow six day creation this God all...

...double predestination right. All ofthese other things, I think, are non essentials. A what's happening is we take whatever the things are for ourcamp and then we make those essentials, and then we say everybody that isn't following what we're following is aheretic or their liberal, their liberal Christians you're a liberal. If youdon't believe exactly what I believe, you're a liberal Christian and I'm likewhoa goodness is so there's always going to be somebody that can say thatto somebody right. So if I'm talking to a thousand point Calvin is coveredcovenant, pre, suppositional, list, post millennial, everything I say is going to be liberalaccording to that perspective, right and but, but I think liberal is likefull on like all the way on the other end of the spectrum, MC Galit Ariaright, and so I think that's the part where you can't just park your car one place and say: okay,everything else outside of that is out or it's heretical or it's off. It'slike no Christianity is such a robust historywith so many different perspectives and people have been arguing over some ofthese things. For thousands of years like how the Church and GovernmentChristians should function together has been debated for thousands of years you're going to solve it today, likereally like it's all solved, because you read the Bible and you got theperfect understanding and only you know the right answers that to me is just so,intellectually dishonest right that that and a lot of it's not like theseguys are scholars. It would be different if you were like a PhDscholar. Level studied the Greek and the Hebrew the era make you had arobust history, understand l, no, no. These are like dudes, it's like dues on the Internet that arelike yeah. I got all the answers. Bro I like all right man. Well, you know, and unfortunately these are the guys that ten years fromnow start deconstructing their faith and picking a part, everything and resurrection literal or not, right likethat, they become that because I remember them. The Thousand PointCalvin is from twelve years ago are all having crisis of faith. You know, andI'm just kind of like I t I told you guys like what are you doing like? Whyare you putting all your eggs in his basket like this is wanky? Some of thisstuff is good. Some of this is off, and so now this is churchianity right, you're nowtaking non essentials, you're making them essentials and some of them won'tovertly say you're, not a Christian. If you don't believe in these things,they'll just treat you they'll be condescending to you. Theythey'll make. It seem like your faith, is a little bit more shallow and youjust you just don't quite understand, and it's very patronizing. So I thinkthat's that's the bummer part man and so like I have the essentials, but I'mI don't know some of these food like I was a calvinist at one point now, notso much right, but I still like some of the doctrines of grace. I still agreewith the SOLAS. So I think that that becomes the tough part with all thisstuff. Is it just gets very convoluted with what's essential,what's not essential, so if that is all happening going back to just like,because I know that you believe in the Little Sea Church- and I know that youhave been going to the same church for a long time. So what makes you then believe so muchand you know you go every week and you're, probably whether you're servingnow or you have served, and I mean you've worked in the church like so ifall of that is happening in the Church and people are you know being dividedor people are, you know stepping up and just like believing so much in justtheir church like? Why do you still believe in the Little Sea Church somuch? I think like what. Why would somebody afterhearing that? Why would somebody be going to the Little Sea Church likewhat? What is there? That is not that is not at their house, I think wasthere is community, I think. What's there is the opportunity to servepeople the opportunity to be in the local Ecclesia that were church a lotof times in the New Testament. Does it's a local gathering so there'sthere's a capital sea church which is kind of what you're alluding to which Ithink is very big and robust, and then there's the lot little seam localEcclesia local community church and when you see them gathering a NewTestament, they're, usually gathering in these low local assemblies,sometimes in the Time Square, the the city squares- and I think that hasI think that is still like God's heart for us right. So, despite all theissues, it's you, you should still be a part of the family. I think Tony Evans just tweeted this, andhe said you know people don't want to go to church and they say you don'thave to be saved. You don't have to go to church to besafe and he's like yeah. You don't have to you. Don't have to be safe to go tochurch he's like you also don't have to spend time with your wife to be married.But if you don't spend time with your wife after you're married, like yourmarriage is going to suffer, your...

...relationship is going to suffer overtime. These things are going to deteriorate, and so I think, in thesame way, yeah I don't have to go to a local Sich. I don't on. Have I get to Iget to be a part of a community I get to pour myself into a local community.I get to be in fellowship. I get to do these things. I don't have to go ondates with my wife. For her to be my wife. I get to go on dates with my wife.I get to hang out I get to we. Our thing is like binging shows, and youknow finding shows to watch and benching them and that's Super Fun. SoI think my heart is that people would bein community. People would be have opportunities to utilize theirspiritual gifts. People would have the opportunities to serve, and I dobelieve God uses churches and the capital see church to serve people anda lot of people like oh bedside Baptist brow just going to roll over, find myfavorite preacher and there's my church well yeah, but you should still be inplugged into some type of community. I also think those communities serve aton of practical utility, so when you're talking well, where do you gofor counsel? Where are your elders who's? Who can you ask questions toWHO's going to WHO's going to marry you? How about that like who you want to getmarried who's going to marry you well, if you're, not on a local Shir werejust going to like rent a reverend like I'm to ninety nine, I'm going to renderreverence so random guy I've never met he's going to show up and a fiftydollar tucks and marry me right like okay and again that I'm not on the bythe way. So anyone here in this everything, I said is the main thinghere, just some practical utilities going through getting in a communitygroup and Bible Study Having Friends Right, I'm sure, as you know now inyour is, it gets harder and harder and harder it. I maintain friendships whenyou get older, it's tough, there's a there's, a practical utility tobuilding friendships being around people that are differentright. If you go to a cool, a cool that is, that sounds shallow. If you gothrough a diverse, multigenerational, multi ethnic church, there's a lot ofvalue to being around people that are different than you, yeah to beingaround people that are coming from different socioeconomic backgroundsthan you and learning from people. So I think, there's also a ton of practicalutility. That's often overlooked, and I don't think God made us to be alone. Soyes, there's marriage and family, but you also need friends, you also needcommunity. You also need people that are going to ask you hard questionssometimes also need people that are going to point out your blind spots.That's another thing, is we don't talk about enough? Like people have blindspots, man and if it wasn't for the local sea church like I would be atrain wreck of a person if it wasn't for people gently, hey man like mightwant to look at this a different way. Hey man like you know, and I thinkthat's from the local sea, church, yeah and one of the stats. I rememberyou saying in one of your videos was that for every new person coming intothe church, there are four people leaving the church and, like you saidyour friend, or that guy out there, who is talking one way today in a couple oyears, going to be the same guy who's deconstructing his faith and I think alot of people leave the church. For that reason, and you talk about liketraveling long traveling light and and not letting the little things get youcaught up, but I also I mean this is something for me personally,where I have a friend who has left the church now because of almost like a jobe scenario where it'slike life has just hit this person time after time, where it's losing friendsand family like a lot of deaths back to back to back and just like in weirdunexpected ways. It is going through abusive relationships and getting raped multiple times and havingall of this trauma in their life, and you know for a while. You know thisperson was explaining to me. I just said you know what I can use this formy story. You know this sucks, but I can use this as my testimony, but thenit comes to a point where you break M. I mean like I've had crap happen to me.You've had crap happened to you but like when I hear this person's storyand I've only grazed the surface on this, but it's like, and I've hadmultiple people like that in my life you know I had a friend who literallystarted coming to the faith, I'm getting emotional just talking about itand you know he started coming to church with me. He went and served with me and then,like I felt like it was finally starting to click for him, and then hisgrandfather took his light and, and he like came home and found his grandfather, he was theone to find him and his grandfather was like a die hard Christian, oh mygoodness, so it's like when stuff like that happens a like okay. What do you say to somebody like thatlike? How do you help someone like that?...

I don't know if you've had somebody inyour life like that, but like what is the message to that person? You know Imean because you know when I'm texting my friend I'm like I. What do you saylike? How do you help them? Yeah? I don't know if you have any practicaladvice for anybody. You know who's just kind of like sitting there and thinkinglike life has hit me hard and and they have pulled away from the churchbecause of it yeah yeah. I don't think you say anything. I think you listen. Ithink Jesus lise. What am I going to say we got, I got nothing dude I got nolike. I think I think you don't say anything. I think you just listen. Ithink you be present, you sit. What do you? You know? I think practically when someone's goingthrough it. I don't think you say I don't think you say. Do you needanything? I think you provide options. Hey Man. Can I come by bring you somewater. You know if you know their favorite food place. Can I bring you bysome food like give them things like practical things? You can I take youhere. Can I do I thank you, you you press in and you meet Danny. I don'tthink you say anything because I think when someone's going through thatdegree of trauma, I don't think, there's anything you say I think youjust you. Let her know how I praying for you. You know trying to not. I don't say if you needanything, I say: Can I bring you by something? Can we go hang out? Can Ican we go on a walk right and I think when there's that practical need beingmet, this is a friend right like I'm not trying to like keep you in thechurch like just as a home. Like you know, and so I think all my friends aregoing through it. I try to give them very specific things I could do forthem. Can I come by, can I can I bring you some food? Can I do that? So Ithink that is what I would say. I don't think I have the answers in thosemoments. I think, if we're talking my ideas around that, if he starts asking,if somebody salts asking, I think, that's when you you know, I would sayman we don't have we can't contro, we can control, we cancontrol, you can control the variables that you can control. All of this is subject to when lifethrows tragedy at you. When I throw a strategy and set back at you, and Idon't have to go further than the cross to see the greatest injustice happenwhen you see Jesus on the Cross and you're like do this was like a guy thatdid everything right. He literally did everything right and yet he dies thisbrutal terrible death and, if that's not in just if that's not suffering, ifthat's not good things, bad things, terrible things happen to a greatperson, a perfect person. I don't know what is right, and so I think there isgoing to be bad things that is God jus sells is tent. This going to you are goin this world. You will experience suffering. You will experience trouble how we process that I go back. I haveto go back to the cross. I don't have no other filters. I have to go back tothe Cross and in my life I've gone through trauma as a kid I'vegone through stuff. You know financial stuff. The the thingthat helps me is understanding that and understandingthat a lot of times going through that suffering develops, develop me right.So I my mother, broke and fell and broke her shoulder right before the pandemic, like reallypopped off. So No, my mother has bad hips. She me and her were kind of strange fora bit and she fell because she didn't want to get her hips fixed and she waswalking with her canes and she got these stupid little Chihuahua dogs andshe fell and like like completely broke, her entire right shoulder and it tookher like a day to call me right- and I remember like okay, I'm I'm gonna go bythere and she's, like I think it's dislocated. Can you look and see if youcould pop it back in place? I'm like now we got to go to the Er like this.Isn't is located like and my mother has a really high tolerance of pain, and sowe go to the Er and we find out it's like way worse than she thought it'snot dislocated. She was like you just pop it in the place toe like no like,and they would have operated on her that night if it wasn't for the forOvid hitting and if it wasn't for not having insurance wow. So here I am withmy mom at the emergency room right as Ovid everything is shutting down, I'mat the emergency room, she doesn't have insurance and I literally is over ayear ago I literally had to like take over all of her affairs. I had tofigure out her insurance. I had to figure out her disability. I had toclean her house. I had to walk her dogs every single day. I was there- and Iremember at one point like hitting like a low like like not a low for me, I'mfine financially, but like man like I'm literally over here, like caring for mymom in the most, you know, use your imagination like inthe most like a tough ways as a son,...

...but but the lip side of all that isthat she got a shoulder fix. She got her hips fix he, he slowed down on thedrinking were reconciled, and on the other side of that there is some degreeof hope that she's going to get sober and she's going to continue on his path, and all of that all of that is great,but I think what it what it did to me is extend my own capacity so to weepwith those who are weeping to crowd with those right it. It expands theircapacity to have empathy for people and it's through those unpleasant timesthat I think that happens. It's not through mountain top experiences right.You don't really learn anything when you're winning what you! What do youlearn like you, like yeah life's good, nothing, nothing! You don't learnanything there, but we when you year in those valleys man, I think that's whenyou learn stuff when your character gets revealed and when you get you getchiselled and like you transform, is in that suffering and that's weird to say,like that's weird, to say that in suffering there is purpose because itseems so counter intuitive. But in my life it's always been that way. It'salways been the you know, and I don't like reading the Scriptures and alwaysseeing myself as the hero. So that's not that's not what I'm trying to dohere, because a lot of people do that they redescriptions in there. Like I'mDavid, fighting Goliath right to my problems or my no, My enemies are myproblems and right. I don't like doing that, but the story of Joseph whenJoseph gets sold into slavery by his brothers and he goes decades withoutseeing them, and then he finally, his dreams fulfilled in his whole thing andhe and he tells his brothers, like it's, okay, that what you meant for evil forme, God used for good and I think when I look at the cross that which theenemy meant for evil and people who who at one point were probably worshippingand following Jesus, were then sitting here, scoffing and mocking him. Whilehe was on the cross that which you men for evil, God used for good and Romansat twenty eight says all things work for good for those who love God and arecalled according to his purposes. And so we can't control with tragedy whichtragedy life is going to throw out us and we could sit here, and it is justpersonal things. That's happened and there's a a pastor acquaintance right.Now: Five little kids just lost his wife, you know and all call the kidsunder six and ye're, just like gosh like what. What is that like? How doyou deal? How do you process that and it doesn't? It doesn't make sense, butI don't have to look much further than the cross for it not to make sense thatI do. I don't you know and I'm sure that's how the dicet was felt, I'm surea decipee like what we were expecting you to establish a kingdom like youwere going to overthrow Rome. I know you didn't say that, but like that'swhat we wanted and then Jesus is naked nailed to a cross, his mother's there and he's suffering asking God. Why haveyou forsaken me like what that doesn't make any sense, and so I know thatJesus can relate to my suffering because he suffered more than I everwill, and I think in that I make some sense of it. I D, I D N, I don't knowhow to make sense of it, but I think that that helps me make sense. I can'tmake sense of all of it because I don't understand all of it. I don't think wewill understand all of it in a light of eternity, but I think that's as closeas I can get is just just to say: WHOA that doesn't make sense, a good persondying for bad people like at the hands of badpeople. That makes zero sense to me and but, but now that I'm born to gainit starts to make more and more sense, and I think when we get to heaven allof the tragedy will make more and more sense, even though it's so unpleasantin the moment, I'm not trying to minimize people suffering, but I don'tI don't. I don't always understand it, man that don't get it. You know yeah,and I think that that's it I mean when we get to heaven. I'm sure all of thiswill will see the master plan behind it. All and it'd be like Oh okay, but manlike right now it is tough and one of the things you said that you do notonly just like listening to the person but praying, and I think that you knowthere's a lot of Christians out there. That prayer is something that they doSunday mornings in church, maybe sometimes prayer, something you dobefore a meal, maybe prayer something you do before you go to sleep that I feel like you talk about thepower of prayer yeah and you don't talk about it in a way that makes me think.Oh Ruslan and his family are just sitting down before meals and prayingyou know a short little prayer and then boom. That's it that's the only timeyou're talking to guy, like I feel like you, are praying in a big and powerfulway like what does that mean the power of prayer to somebody who maybe hasn'ttapped in to that type of conversation...

...with God, I think, is more subtle thanthat. I think it's big and powerful on the other side of it. I think in themoment it's it's a lot of crying prayers when you're suffering like why?Lord like what the Heck, I think, there's that and I think we need a goodcry prayer right. Most people don't cry enough. I think we need a good like cryprayer. I think to me the verse. That's always stuck with me as pray withoutceasing, which is to me means. I think this is what it means. It's toalways be in a spirit of prayer always be communicating with God always be soit's not it's not like I'm doing these, like Oh thou, art, God who art and havebeen prayers all the time in my head. Is that I'm always communicating right.So I'm always thinking I'm just praying for things, and it's more so like. Howcan I kind of remain in that place of prayer? Can I remain aligned with theHoly Spirit which lives in me? How can I remain in it throughout my day, andnot just in these like isolated moments of like now we're going to sit downpray then we're going to pray. Our church prayer journals really hoped writingdown my prayers and you be surprised if you just write down your prayers andlook back at them in a month right down your prayers like back at them in sixmonths, a lot of stuff gets answered. A lot ofstuff gets worked out. Man- and it's really really really really interesting,but we always forget: that's the thing about life and humans. We forget waymore than we remember. That's why you see all throughout the Old Testamentgods like I am the God of Abraham. I am the God that took you out of Egypt. Iam the God that this is like. Like remember me like, if I did this for you,I'm going to get you through this and that's how I always look at it if like,if God can, can get me from where I was to where I'm at God I mean he canliterally do the impossible. He could do anything. Yes, so writing downprayers, remembering silly things like even posting photos on instagram andgoing back and looking at them even having photos in your camera roll. Evenyou know, videos right going back and remembering where I was at the lasttime we went to Disneyland and I was in a completely different spot. You know Iwas in a darker spot and now Tis trip is way different and I'll. Probablylook back at this trip and be like. Oh, my gosh. All these worries I had nowGod really delivered like he really got me through this stuff. You know sowe're like yeah. I pretty sure like I'll look back at this moment and thefear around going to Florida and Covin rates and my own like man, I want toget us into a house. I want to write. I want to all these different things andI probably look back of this four or five years from now and be like man,like God, was really faithful and it all kind of worked out while wreeten Erfor good yeah, except for he didn't work out luly lemon for you, the othernight. I think I'M gonna go back Yeah Yeah. I think I'M gonna go back to thethat. Okay, so the other night I was thinking Lui Lemon was an mlb. I wasthinking of Lulu Lulu row, which is an emily, and I was confusing it with that,and so, when you were like I'm looking for Luly Limon, I was like I was Ruslanabout to get us into some pyramids game tonight. That was the real agenda forcoming. Here, yeah, like you guys, I got this thing he'slike. Oh you, the I'm coming on your podcast, I'm about to go boys. I really need you guys to sell a wholelife insurance policies with me. Oh my gosh, the commissions are great. If youget people to sign up underneath you well, the the other night, thoughspeaking of being down at Disney, springs we're sitting there at dinner,which we took you to. What I would say is one of the Best Restaurant, basingyeah the boat house phenomena, amazing, yeah, high, all highly recommendedboathouse anybody come to Disney Springs, but we're sitting there andit's me you and James, and I realize like have you ever been in like a roomor a conversation where you realize, like you're the dumbest person there,all the time, like all the time like I was so humbled to be sitting there andI'm just listening to your guys conversation and I'm just eating awaymy trouble prize and my crab, cakes and- and you guys aresaying these words that are just like flying over my head, but it was good for me. You know, andeven as podcast is good for me, because I get to sit across from guys like youand it's like a free education for me over here, but one of the things youtalked about, which is a really popular podcast rightnow in the Christian world, called rise and fall of Mars Hill, and I know thatyou kind of had a take on it. Like I said I was kind of oblivious towhat was going on, but it looked like James was reacting to what you weresaying, and so I was like. Oh, this is good stuff, better type, this up andyeah. I talk to him about it. So can you share your take on it and I'm alsogoing to just stop talking now, because yeah everybody's, like he's an idiot, Ithink we you're not an idiot first of all. Well, thank you. I think I thinkwe view the world in good guysand bad guys,...

...heroes, villains, victims guides and everything. We need a category foreveryone, this person's the hero, fish persons deVillain, this person's the guy to the hero. This person is the victim thatneeds to be rescued, and I don't think life is that clean. I don'tthink anything is that LINEAR, I think of my life. I've been all the above. I think I was a victim as a child. Ithink I've been a villain. I think I've been a hero to some and I think I'm aguide for other people right and we want the story to be linear. That is a goodstory telling every every story has that hero who's, trying to find himself onthis journey to save the victim and the the guide is helping the hero to figurehimself out the hero. has this moment he defeats the Villain de Villain phaseaway the hero right? It's very linear M. I don't think that's life. I don'tthink that's my life. I don't think that's anybody's life. I think we'veall been on the spectrum, and so I think when I listen to that podcast, Ithink we really do ourselves at this serviceby trying to position people into those specific boxes. All of us have blindspots. All of us make mistakes, and I think when you see these phenomenonslike the mega church, when you see these phenomenons like pan social activities, which is what Itry to stay with from Pan Socials, where people just watch your favoriteinfluences live and I'm like no you're going to call into a zoom call and I'mgoing to get to know you and if I see you in the street, we're going to gocoffee like we're not going to do this. Weird, like cult of personality, Ruslanthing right like I'm, not a fan of that I want. I want to actually meet people,an I get it. It's not scalable. I understand that, but I want to createsome degree of normalcy with well my platform whole another point, but I sayall had the same that when I listen to that, I think we've created anenvironment and we've created a culture, four people to plant churches at twentysix years old, who are a highly gifted communicators, very entrepreneurialamazing, brilliant speakers are able to retain information and communicate itin a way that makes sense. We've created a culture in Christendombecause of maybe the idolatry in our own hearts, where we elevate guys likethat, like driscol, not just just COS, just one o one of hundreds of guys and we promote them and then get mad atthem when they fail. The baby talked about him earlier. Wepromoted a rapper who, in self defense, shot quite a fewpeople and is very messagin stic and as ahistory of violence, we've promoted them and then he said the wrong thingabout the Lgbtq community and then cancel them. That's what we do. Wepromote people to the position of kings because there's that idolatry in ourheart, we don't we we would like the children of Israel wanting a king guyslike m bad idea, no really want to came on to be like the other nations, okayand then they get so right, and so I think I think what the rise and fall on Mars Hill is.Is it's a mirror? Man? That's like you can't villinies one person will be likehe's a bad guy, real bro at twenty six at I am so happy. I wasn't successfulat twenty six, this dude planted a mega church at twenty six years old and heis incredibly talented. Incredibly gifted and I've met him before he'ssuper humble when I met him great, like genuine guy sat there talk with me forhours, Super Cool Guy, post Marshall and Ithink it's a mere. I think the rise and fall of Marcel is a Mir, and I think weneed to look at that mere and say. Why is it what is it in our hearts? Do wekeep wanting these these guys to be these celebrities, and I think it'sgood, because I think there's also people that aren't planting churches atFreaking, twenty seven or twenty six years old, and I went through a similarthing with with the pastor at the church, I'm still at the head. Pastorstepped down, he planted a church like two thousand and seven twenty, eight,very gifted Communicator Fairy Charismatic Entrepreneur Church blows up. He makes some poorfinancial decisions and is forced to step down right, so I've gone throughand thankfully I wasn't on staff at the Thurston, but that was a messy andalmost ended. Our Church did and thankfully is a miracle that we made itthrough all that financially irresponsible, making somepor decisions, domineering leadership style, like, in my opinion, a lot worsethan what I heard on that podcast and but that's that's the wit, thewickedness in our own heart right and...

...then that the person is just like. OhYeah I'll go with it. I guess this is working, I'm good at this. Oh, you know,and I think they also believe that got called them to help people and that'snot to say they shouldn't be accountability. There should I, I justdon't know how to navigate all that. I think that was A. I think that episodeto was the best when they talk about the history and the founders myth andhow mega churches came to be and how, prior to one thousand nine hundred andseventy there was like, maybe a dozen mega churches and afterwards, as likethousands of mega churches because of the people moving back into the suburbs,people move back into the suburbs church to pot and then like now, yousee people moving back into the cities and the two thousands and then that'show marcil explode. I think so many of these things are like changingdemographics and the explosion of Youtube, which is really how he kind ofgot US platform. Marcel was early on Youtube. I didn't think episode. Fivewas fair at all. I think episode five was they made him out to be this likethey kept using the word porne graphic marcil was porn a graphic and I waslike dude. I went through those series. I went through peasant Princess firstby verse me and my wife did. I went through this tin and never did I walkaway with any of that stuff thinking woman get on your knees and give mehead whenever I demand it like why you know, if anything, it was love, yourwife and so she's lovely cultivate, a marriage where intimacy is flourishingand thriving, and so I think episode of five was a bit disingenuous on theirpart. I don't think that was fair, because I don't I that's not what Iwalked away with like I genuinely walked away, loving my wife, better andeven in the whole, like you know, Song Solomon. This is Christians, Christian dancing, a woman dancing for a husband.This is the biblical mandate from dancing. This is the biblical Manda fororal sex right and he didn't say a mandate. He said something I don't emer.What the word he was precedent is a precedent for a biblical, but it wasbut but it was like build your marriage so that it can get to a place whereyour wife feels comfortable some day dancing for you with the lights on. NotYou need to do this for me, woman right like that that wasn't the applicationpoints of any of those messages from when I went through him, and neitherwas it for my wife, so I shoot I wish my wife would strip for me every nightright like that's, not that that's the how those messages were applied likethat's, not what it was. So I think that was a bit misrepresentative ofwhat the actual and it's also tough to to slice through like where is hejoking and being in like inflating and being hyperbolic? And when is heteaching application points? I think that's also gets a little lost incontext because, yes, you hear stuff back in Hind, saying you're like oh mygosh, I could can't believe he said that's like yeah, but you just did awhole episode on how he got his communication style from watchingComedians. You know like there's, that's intention of some humor in thereintentionally so yeah. I don't know I so it so now. I would say that, and itis not to say like there's no lines or whatever it's just say: Hey, don't follow guys in their early tieswho are mega church pastors, like don't fought like I'm, so so grateful that Idid not become successful until my Mides, and even still I'm like Lord.This is some scary stuff that I have this much influence. You know. Let mepoint to other people got you guys like go, watch Alan par he's in his forties.You guys, like me, check our RYTHM church. My Buddy Jeff is in his forties,like I'm always pointing to other people, because it's a lot of you knowhaving that much influence at that age. You know, even in my Mides I'm like man.This is this is some scary stuff and that's, unfortunately, the church doesthat it promotes people who are charismatic and for most people who arecertain is a lot of certainty in what he was saying and that it comes across as very reassuringand it's it doesn't always flesh out well. So I think I think that wholething is a reflection on us man. Honestly and again that doesn't mean hehe isn't need to be held accountable and whatever those parameters are yeah.All that I think, and I think he's worked through a lot of stuff, but I think I just I don't think thatstuff. I don't think that SEP was very. I don't think all I think episode twowas really good. The LANI Frisbee stuff was crazy. I don't think I thinkepisode five. I was the most disappointed and I was like you guysare reaching for straws like you're just saying stuff, and it sounds likethis is what it was, and maybe it was for us for the people there. Maybe thewoman there felt like they have to give theirhusbands oral sex every other night and did strip for them. Maybe that's athing that is not how me or any of my friends walked away with. Having readthe books, my wife read Roan marriage. She went and took a picture of them. Iwas like hey when you, when you go to strip for me, like you read this maredress go. This is what he said right that still hasn't happened so againlike. I think I think there was a little bit of reaching on episode Finthat I thought episode two, as was the best one. I think it's really well puttogether. They is really well put together and it also brings up thepoint of like. Why are we we hashing this now like? What's the what's hisdown agenda? Here was the point here: it's a fascinating story, but it's oneof hundreds of stories. It's not a that's, not a unique story. That's avery common story, because I think we...

...have this thing in our hearts to wantthe guy to want the guy to be on a platform and to let the guy who's.Confident and with all this certainty, tell us what to do and simplify ourfaith, and I think faith is just there's a lot more nuance. There yeahman, I was hoping that you would say I want my wife to strip for me one moretime, so we could have done a full blooper real, Oh God, just you, I'm kidding I'm kidding. We won't makeany thing of that spicy, but I do want to jump into your marriage. Okay now Iknow that your instagram- and you know I mean all celebrities. They wanteverything to look like you know. The world is picture perfect. The marriageis all you know roses and diamonds, but I know that there are struggles inevery relationship. Have you and Monet had any kind of struggles that you'vehad to get through in your relationship? No I've never had any struggles, allright. Moving on in my relationship, ever yes, of course, so because I notbecause having been a survivor, sexual assault. When I was a kid, there wasdefinitely some trauma that I brought into our marriage, and it was hard forme to understand how much I how many issues Ihad prior to getting married- and it wasn't until in Mars that I discoveredman like I'm still wrestling with a lot of porn addiction and a lot of thingsthat are super heavy that I didn't quite like. I didn't understand how badit wasn't so being on the other side of being married, and I bought into themyth that, like once, you get married marriage and sex and marriage is justgoing to solve all your problems totally not what happened, and I wish Iwould have gotten help and got therapy and got counseling and all that kind ofstuff before getting married. I think that probably would have been very,very healthy, but you know you just don't know what you don't know so intwo thousand and eight, when I got married therapy, was it that somethingwe talked about a whole lot? Sex Addiction wasn't something wetalked about a whole lot. I knew porn was bad, but it was just as deep as itwent like porn bad, less bad, but not like understanding that lust and pornare symptoms and a lot of times, not the actual issue, and the issue isdeeper than than just like. Oh I just I like looking at naked girls, it's likeno! No, it was deeper than that for me, and I took that into marriage, and atone point I had to confess like this is still a struggle for me and it was hardand but it was the first step to freedom in liberation in that area, andit was, it was a journey, but man I'm so grateful having gone through likethat tension and her like not knowing how to process it initially and and nowbeing in a much better place by the grace of God. So we're here withinstagram live and all your listeners are wanting to know like the bigquestion that keeps popping up is how do you continue to date, your wife into the marriage, especially when you have little kids,which can be hard? Yes and there's certain things that are great aboutChristians and Christian culture and a lot of times, it's like you need a daynight, every night with your wife, you should date your wife every night, andit's like not that you know every week every week you shape is like whyeveryone, every every night will be cool to. But when you have kids little kids whenyou are broke when you're trying to be frugal, that would be very, verydifficult to do, and so we've have amazing friends close by and even family. That'soffered. You know, hey like if you guys want to go in to date night, like youha the kids off and when you have a bait like, or we have afour month old, Zoe, all right and the same thing with Levi like we don'treally want to leave our babies, but anybody, like wit, on trust, a lot ofYa. So there's that and then there's theyou know the physical like just leaving a baby with someone for a couple hoursto go and what like have dinner in a movie. So we've done. This is just whatworks for us is when we put the kids to sleep, our favorite pastime is binging,shows together, so every night say: Yeah, nine of the ten nights weretogether watching shows, kids are asleep and Levi goes to bed aroundseven thirty Zo es a baby, so she's kind of in and out of sleep, and wejust watch shows every night. We eat dinner together every night and itdoesn't have to be this big dress up. You need to go on a date and go have dinner, and dothis thing we do it every night and in the process. I don't know if thishappened before after we started doing this, but I discovered that they'vedone studies and couples who Bingah shows together actually feel moreconnected and closer together, and it's like one of the most beneficial thingsyou could do really or yeah for your marriage is Bingah shows together wow.That kind of like shocks me because I feel like a lot of the things I hear islike you got to be physical with your...

...scene. If father and I'm not talkingabout in the bedroom, I'm saying like going out and you know doing, exercisesor going to events or you know climb in jet, whatever I know for Ashley, and Iwe've been using the adventure book- I don't know if you've heard of that theyhave one for couples, they have one for families and you can just like scratchoff mystery dates. So yesterday we ended up painting portraits of eachother from across so were sitting like this were painting portraits, theylooked mindleheim of her. It was embarrassing, but you're painting, and then you weresupposed to play classical music you're supposed to dress up nice, and then wehad like little glasses of wine that we were drinking. It was really nice andwe ended up liking them and she fixed mine and doctor it enough to where wecan put him on the wall so yeah and it's fun little dates like that and andthey're pretty cheap. So that's kind of been our way, but I feel like goinginto marriage. You know you got to continue to. Like you said date, yourwife find those things that connect you, but I feel, like you know, you run intoproblems like the porn addiction or whatever, like this big problems, andsometimes you kind of bring on the problem like I know you were talkingabout at dinner the other night, where some people bring on the problem byjust having kid after a kid after a kid after a kid and then that just kind oflike rips their whole family apart- and I know that you had you- had aninteresting take on on not just having chitato child shoud yeah. You sharethat yeah, I mean first of all like I'm all, for whatever people want to do intheir marriage right right, whatever, if you guys want to have ten kids likerespect like have ten kids, I think in Christian culture. There is this veryliteral bee fruit full multiply food for multiply, and I mean even to sometheologies that go to the very extreme of things where they say you could only.You should have kids primarily to procreate or you shouldn't use barriermethods. You should right- and I think there's a is a spectrum within that. In my experience, we don't have a tonof family close by US like we don't have like you know, mother, in law that liveswith us that we can trust our kids with we don't. We know the grandparents arethirty minutes away, so we don't have a ton of people close by us. We don'thave a nanny and we've been. We were broke for a long time right so withinthe last couple of years. So I think this idea of having as many kids as youcan can be good for certain people who may make a lot of money and who may beable to really take care of those kids and afford to have those kids and I notbe a strain on their marriage. For us. We waited six years before we had Levi.You know that's a long time for most people and I'm glad we did because bythe time we had leave, I we were out of debt. My wife was able to stay home. Iwas able to you, know, pursue music six months after having him full time andbecause we waited it positioned us to have more stability than had we jumpedin and year, one had a baby, and then we waited another six years to have zoeand now we're in a completely even better place when having Zoe- and Ithink sometimes when you have a ton of kids back to back to back to bag. You can put that unnecessary pressurethat unnecessary tension on your body on your marriage, on your physicalhealth and yes, kids are a blessing, a men, but you got to know your owncapacity in your own limits and again this is all subjective and is differentpeople that are going to have different standards and different realitie athing before us. We knew early on like yeah. We now just want to pump out abunch of kids just because that's the thing to do as a young Christian couple:that's not that's not who we are and, and I'm so glad we didn't, I'm soglad we did, and I don't know if we're going to have any more kids to behonest with you, like I'm pump wo to. I think my wife is pomp with to maybemaybe will adopt some kids at some point, but I think I'm I think, I'mgood man and every and again, every time you have kids, there's sacrificethat comes with that and there's nothing were all with sacrifice. But atsome point like if you're having kids as a doe, just hypothetically and it'spush and it's driving you back deeper into lust and it's not to say that it'syour wife's fault or it's the baby's fat. But if there's a correlation thereright, I think you might want to stop and revolt or at least go get helpwhich then again, if you're having a bunch of kids, can you afford therapyand counseling and treatment? If there's a there's a correlation there,and so I'm so happy, we did not have a bunch of kids and I think, there's alot of pressure men, especially on young Christian couples, to just likeyeah many kids, as you can as soon as you can and kids are amazing, buthaving them when you can take care of them and pour into them and really bepresent with them and have the pace of life. Where you see your marriage isstill flourishing and thriving and that's the cool part man is like thistime around me and Monette are in a...

...amazingly healthy place with Zoe. Itwasn't like that would leave. I was still hard with Levi because it was new.We didn't know what we were doing yeah but leave with Zoe. It's a little bitmore like all right cool. We have a rhythm to our marriage. We have arhythm to are binging shows right. She has a rhythm as a mom with nursingleave is going to bed at a reasonable time, and so I think, there's thatthere's that pressure on a lot of young Christian folks that just have as manyand again that comes with the cost right and if you could afford it, bothmentally spiritually, physically finance like if you can afford itrespect man have as many as you want. I'm not there. No judgment here, justdon't believe in em me crazy, because I only got two so the the listeners arenow wondering what your take is on birth control. All Right, I'M gonna go there Huh yeah,that's not where I was gonna go. So that's where your fans want to take ityeah. So we initially did birth control as likea pill and we decided not to we decided there were so research that suggested some thingsthat we ethically didn't align with, and I also just wasn't a fan of it. Wasn't a fan of kind of how it mademy wife. I just I don't know you know it does think they does things and- andI I love it when she's fertile it's fun. I Lie Yeshe's fun, so I we don't do any birth control. We justuse a barrier method. We keep track of her cycle through. She keeps try. Idon't keep track of anything. She keeps track of her cycle through, like acalendar, APP thing, okay and then on the days she's fertile. We use abarrier, method, condoms and then we're chilling. You know the rest of the time,and so for me it works it's fun and- and I'm also, we not opposed to gettingof the sect to me at some point. If that it's kind of what relating nowokay, yeah yeah, I was thinking- I mean we're going to get deep with you.I feel like with your fans like they really want to know some like what'sgoing on in the bedroom with Ruslan, but I was curious because I see a lotof families, they have a bunch of kids and then they focus so much on the lovefor their children that they forget about the love for each other and whythey even got married in the first place, why they even started havingkids but one thing with Parana, because I think you and I experience adifferent type of parenting from like a couple guess ago we had Shama Sham wasvery sheltered. He you know was every little thing was had to be likepicked out by his parents. You know probably couldn't watch Harry Potter,you know you can't watch, I don't know Pocahontas whatever those things are.You know you're watching veggie tails like shout out to all the Christiansthat can't go to magic kingdom, because the word magics in it. Oh, my Otheah,but you know I call those the bubbled Bible. Believers respect those families,whereas then you have the other families and- and I want to make surethat this gets corrected, because I need my my mom to know like. I thinkeverything of her like she is an amazing mother and her parennin stylewas very different in the sense that she gave me a lot of freedom and as natto say that there was neglect and abandoned. But there was a lot of trustand she had the faith in me and gave me freedom to kind of live and do what Iwanted to do. As a kid you know I went off skateboarding with my friends onthe weekends at the Skate Park and she trusted me. You know, and I think thatthose two different pernicies are the are, what I see the majority of parents.Do it's either very strict rules, rules rules. Do it this way and then whenthey grow up it's either they continue to follow down those rules and theyfind their own faith, not just one that has been preached to them or they gosuper far the other way and the rebel heart. Whereas on the other side likeme and you, we had a lot of freedom, you know our parents loved us, but youcan either grow up and say you know what I'm going to be reckless like I'vegot all this freedom. I can do whatever I want and you can become that kid thatturns into an adult that never really grows up and mans up or you can realizeyou know what, like my parents love me and it gave methis freedom and now I'm going to use it in the best way possible. So, likewhere's, your stance, where do you find yourself parenting? Are you more thebubble side or you more? The freedom side? Well, leave I six. So he has to bebubble. Yeah he's bubble he overgoing forward, though going forward. I don't we're trying to figure out. Ithink it's A. I think. It's the best of...

...both worlds right, so I think, there'sthings that he's going to experience he's going to be things he sees, and Ithink my heart is: How can I preemptively articulate God's heart forthese different things before someone else gets to explain these things? I'llgive you an example, my parents never had a sex conversation with me everlike that. Just we just didn't talk about it right and just kind of assumed.You knew what was going on and then so then you just learn about sex and themost debauchers God in this way, as did I so with Levi, I mean we early onstarted. Having conversations, I believe in conversations not a talk, sowe had multiple conversations about. We start with just when he was maybe likefour or three he started talking about where babies come from. We starttalking about the biology and daddy has the sperm and Mommy has the egg and thesperm goes into Mommy and then the baby right, and then he saw his sister beingborn at six. So he understands that the baby comes out of her mame's vaginaright. He understands a lot of things for his age that think a lot of kidsdon't quite understand so we have- and we haven't, talked about like theactual act of intercourse and with that all entails, but so we're having aseries of conversations to the capacity that he could understand and we'regoing to continue having those conversations and explaining God'sheart and how it all works together. So that there's not this like just dump ofinformation, all that once and then he's overwhelmed, and I think that's.My heart is like how can I curate his heart for living God's way in a way that actuallyis fruitful and beneficial, and it's not a hundred percent in a Bible in abubble, and it's also not lawless and just kind of like yeah do just gofigure it out right because I think with God. For me: It's it's. It'salways been a and both there's parameters on certain things that Ijust didn't do, because when I got say then there's other things that I justlike, unfortunately had to learn through some trial and error right, alot of boundaries. Emotionally, I had to kind of make a mess of things andfigure things out right and then there's the thing that is kind of newlike okay. Now that I'm a Christian I'm not supposed to have intercourse, I'mnot going to I'm going to wait till I'm married right. So I think, there's athere's a there's, a healthy tension there that I'm excited to navigate- andI know I'm not going to get it perfect and I'm not going to get a perfect. Sowe do cure rate. We do home school. My wife is an amazing amazing, mom,amazing educator, and so we do home school and we do those things and Ithink it's a and both not either or- and I think when it comes to the world,which is where a lot of people really start freaking out like what about this?What about that? A lot of that like he were, where Disney land magic kingdom,like he's Goin, to see different people, he's going to see different things andhe's very shrewd in that he knows what to just mind his business. He just doesin it like there's been multiple kids that you could tell or on the spectrum,but you, maybe that not tell like by based on how they look but on theirbehavior, and you can tell someones having a melt dow there on thisspectrum. We have friends that are on the spectrum yeah, and he just knows tojust not acknowledge it and to just mind his business and not make us maynot make a fuss. He might see some people from alternative lifestyles andhe just minds his business right. He just he just knows to just mind thisbusiness sometimes, and I think that that which is which is again first quitthe end chapter five Paul is like hey like mind your business. You knowyou're in the church, you're a Christian, you remind your businesssometimes, and I think he is already exhibiting that at an early age, whichis which is helpful, because if you're, a parent and you're sitting there crossand your kids having a melt down and there's a kid over there and he's notasking you know, mean question: Why what's wrong with him? Daddy? Why is hethis way right? And he just doesn't do that man and he's just such a he's, ahe's, a shrewd kid very early on with that regard, yeah. I think that findingthat balance between lawlessness and legalist is what parents need to findyou, because you know it the biblical, like you know, raising your kid up andin the ways of the Bible you know the Bible made me: Do it kind of teaching,but then also like realizing that God gave us free will, like God, allows usto make those mistakes, and I think that that's where, like I loved you know- and I'm just now, realizinglike how good my mom was at parting me, because she would teach me all of thethe things of the Bible you know through out, and so I knew about Jesus, I knew about the Bible, but thenshe was also not that parent. That was restricting me from experiencing theworld, and I- and I wonder now like because if you don't experience thingsin life, then you're always wondering about it. You know I still wonder tothis day about marijuana, because I've never smoked weed and I'm thinking, ifI didn't go through that in high school or you know some in college like wouldI now, as an adult, be like wondering about those things. So an amazingquestion has come inabout how you would...

...teach your kids about the topic ofsexuality in today's culture with that kind of being the norm that theconversation that's going on, I think again, we've been talking aboutsexuality, but we started from biology right, so we're talking sperm egg,Mommy, Daddy, so on and so forth. So I think sometimes we just want to go straightfor the ethical, Christian, ethical sex conversation. I mean, there's a naturallaw of how these things also work right and sometimes just explaining. This ishow babies are made. This is how you procreate, starting that conversationearlier, I think for us so far has been helpful. Having that conversationearlier has been helpful, and just explaining hey like this is theChristian sex ethic. This is what it is. This is how a man and a woman cometogether. PROCREATE have babies, you know, and and husband and wife andagain, as he gets older, we'll explain pleasure to him will explain all theother things around sex. That are, you know one ISS and coming together inthat way. So I think it's less again not a talk but talks. We talk aboutthis stuff, all the time in different ways to the capacity which he canunderstand at six years old, getting he's six years old, so right, right at Ermenie, not Adam and Steve, likewe're not having that conversation at six, you know- and I think, if there'sa if there's a ground work laid out for marriage forat the point of marriages, the point of family is that the point of intimacy ischildren. How amazing all that is, I think, a lot of this stuff. Is You justkind of connect, the dots you know and you figure it out and to keep it allthe way buck, my son's, not in public school there's a reason for that. Right,like you know, because I think there's a difference between like hey. Weshould treat all people as image bears with dignity, respect and honor. Weshouldn't bully anybody for for whatever choices they made. However,the moment you start pushing your morals on to me and saying: No, he hasto learn this in school or he has. This has to be this way. I think that's whenthat's that's, then the push back to some of the fundamentalism right. It'slike both sides want to legislate. The morality fundamentalist want tolegislate the Bible in school and all these kind of things, and it's likeokay. I could see some value for that. I could see that by and then the peoplethat are on the far end of the spectrum. What I would say the left is right, notliberal, but left is like all of another spectrum. No, you have to saythis is the same as a heterosexual marriage. You have to say this is thesame as as a regular family. You have to say these things at him and that'swhere I go. No, I don't. No, I don't we're just where's going to home school,you know and if I was in public school I would just opt my kids out of that,but by the way that's a whole nother conversation would be like der gonna inDoctor. No, you can opt out. You can really opt out of those conversationsyou can. How am I going to navigate the LGBTQ conversation with my son?Honestly? I don't know we haven't gotten that far yet you know we haven'tgot that for you. I don't have no idea. How're gonna navigate that conversation.I my opinion, my God, with all these things is, if I can explain my heart inGod's heart, for what God is for and what God is, what God is about, and thebeauty and the way God ordered the universe. I think there's less of aneed to be. This is what he's against this is whathe's against, and I think we got to be clear on what is it of God, but I thinkthat's, the tough part is like we don't we just lead with what we're againstand what we're not what what this isn't. This is bad. This is betises as say hey.This is the heart of God. This is what it is right. So I'll give you anexample, very flawed, metaphor, okay, but just just follow along bring it onit's very floud metaphor, so I'm in the fitness. You know that I like to workout like the strength train, my son, who six knows what macron nutrients are.My son knows what he needs to eat to put on a muscle right. He knows proteinis one of those things that he needs to eat. So I'm not here yelling at himabout ice cream and sugar and how bad that stuff is I'm telling him. This iswhat you need to do. If you say you want to go to the Olympics one day,which is by the way what he told me last night. He wants to go to theOlympics were watching the Olympic. He was in our hotel room, getting downstepping and sprinting across the room because he said he's going to be asprinter at the Olympics. Right and I said, that's awesome cool just so youknow that's the best of the best of the best you're going to work really hardand you're going to have to eat right and you're. Gonna have to do all thesethings so and telling someone how to transform their life, how to getaligned with your fitness. I think sometimes people just go. You got tocut out all the junk people, don't even have a context for what junk is thispeople that are like junk bread, Bri love? Bread is good, but it'shealthy for you. No, it's not fred makes you fat right,yeah, a lot of people, don't know that, right or like I got to cut out sweettea right R in a Salei love. Sweet is...

...like there's a lot of sugar in sweet eright. So in me, instead of saying, let's cut all these things out, thesethings are bad. These things are about these things about these things about.Let me educate him on what is good for him and was healthy for him and what'sbeneficial, and I think in that process he's will get to that stuff when wehave to get to that stuff as his advancement goes. So if we're going hey,I want to get healthy. Okay, hey you want to get healthy, more chicken, moregreen food, HMM that higher protein higher highergrains you eat that you're going to get healthy, and then we can get into thedeductive reasoning of what you can and can't have as you get further along inthat process, and you have more capacity to understand if you were tosay, Hey man, I want to be sub ten percent body fat. It's completelydifferent than someone. That's like dude! I just want to lose. Some weightwant to lose so be eat. Some chicken and some grains you're, going to losesomebody be more active for a person is trying to get the Septem per cent we'regoing to have to get to the minutia as your capacity to understand. So so whatI'm saying is my son's capacity wance he understands more, then we're goingto go have to get into the minutia of like here are some things that we justdon't do, and this is why so, if you're, trying to get September percent bodyfat again very flawed metaphor, so forgive me or Sun, I get so September,seven body fat. You can't ever have pizza right like unless you've been toa Tuper, some body fat. You are a professional athlete. You live ateelite level, all the time you strength, train and train for a living. You canhave pep most people who want to get the subs your never having pizza it'sout of the cards for you, it's just not in the cars. If you want to operate onthat level, as you get more capacity right, and so I think it's the same waywith anything else. You got to let people's capacity to understandsomething get into the heart of things, and it doesn't mean we don't take astand and we don't say: Hey generally speaking, pizzas, really bad for you,like you, probably shouldn't, have a lot of it and I think we just we justgo for that. Instead of saying hey what what is the objective, what we'retrying to get to what is the heart of what we're trying to get to Oh this isyou want to follow Jesus, okay, here, Jesus's expectations for marriage, oneman, one woman- and that means everything outside of that is inJesus's expectation for that right. That means hooking up. That's bad right.That means sleeping around. That means having multiple partners. That means you know so many different things thatare outside of God's heart and we just go for the the LGBTQ question and it's like yeah,that's bad too, but there's all these other things that are normative andchurch that we look the other way towards, and we don't have her addressand that's the thing that were sexual morality in the Scriptures is Pornia.It's a juncto term. It's like all these things, fornications bad adulteries,bad. This is bat, oh by the way I was going to Crete, I'm gonna say port init as a junk ture term. Just in case you figure out some other way to Fayfit in some other sing that I have been addresed it I'm going to create a junkor a term called it porn, an easel reality. Just just here is God's heartyeah, and I think that when you talk about that, like a lot of what I seehere in Orlando- I I mean you see it everywhere. Here is like a parenttaking their little boy and will say two years old to the Disney store andbuying him a dress, and I'm thinking to myself. You know: Is this: Two year old,really asking the parent like hey? Can I be a princess, or is that parentreally trying to like push m? What the parent believes in on that child yourand I mean I would say, I've seen it a lot. I worked in the Disney store andit's just kind of like what's popular in Orlando Right now is like OrlandoCulture is like pushing you know my child can be any gender. They want. I'mlike okay, but at two at three like if your kids not bringing it up to you,then why are you like forcing it on your child yeah? I think I think that's when you're soopen minded that your brain falls out. You just just do dumb stuff, like I waslittle yeah exactly well talking about dumb stuff. You were speaking about theOlympics and I don't know if you heard this. I think it was a meme and I wastalking about what if the Olympics was like jury duty, where random people gotselected for the Olympics and you had a month or two that would be a bi thatwould be entertained, I'd be entertaining I we would all have achance. Any here is like well. What am I doing? Oh I'm doing a high dive. Ohshoot like I got a buff yeah, okay, something that I'm curious about,because I think a lot of men in this world are raised with a father figurethat is either disconnected not around. They've never met their father or maybehe's just kind of like not the best dude. You talk about parenting andmarriage in a way that makes me believe that you are you're, crushing it likeyou're winning the gold medal for fathering and for being you know, husband, and so I'mcurious, because your father wasn't really around in your life so like. Howdid you go from fatherless to being like Number One dad dead of the year?What one? I don't think, I'm the number one dad or he or giving you the or youcan't get a gold medal for parents. ANDGOOD GRACIOUS! I think well me andmy dad are in a much better place now...

...he wasn't there when I was young andwe've since reconciled and we're in a really cool cool spot. We have a reallycool relationship. I love that I want. I don't. I don't believe that,and hopefully that I'm the number one anything in tres apparent ing. I thinkparenting is very difficult and very they can be very complicated tonavigate those waters. I think in terms of how I've been able to thrive or to have some normallyhonestly, to bring it back like the local sea church, like I've, been in achurch where I've seen amazing fathers, people that were fathers to me, mentorsto me that have given me an example of how to be a father and if it wasn't forthe local sea church, I probably wouldn't be able to navigate a lot ofthese waters. So I think, having being fathered is how you learnt toFather Hm and if I wasn't in a local Schur, I probably wouldn't have beenfathered, and I don't mean in this weird, like I'm, your spiritual, FatherRight, but I mean being discipled having older men in your life. Peoplethat ask you hard questions and I still tell this day need to be father. I needguidance. I need people to check in on me. I need these things and I havepeople in my life that are older. That are that for me in different ways, andI think that relationship is help helps me understand how to have that dynamicwith my son, because it's this it's this thin line of like you're, not hisfriend right but you're, also not you're, not God, like you're, notyou're, not like all, authoritative to him right. There's this there's this balance rightand you're A and, unlike God, you make mistakes, and you can be angry andsometimes say things that I said that too harshly or you know I got toapologize to him and I apologized to my son when you know what I'm sorry Ididn't that came out wrong. Hey I didn't mean that now, you're right, Iwasn't listening to you when you said this and I think that requires a ton ofhumility. But that requires examples, and I wouldn't have had those examples.If it wasn't for the for my local church, HMM yeah, I mean that's amazingand it kind of like bringing it back full circle. I think we got time forone last question and this is something that anybody listening, whether they be justmarried or maybe they have kids like what is something practical, that acouple listening in to this podcast or watching this youtube, video or here oninstagram life, that they can either start doing or stop doing to make theirmarriage or make their family better. I think you can start something assimple as starting to do an activity you both enjoy together again for us,it's death, fullied, we got what are you? What are you watching watching? Wewatching manifest right now, so it's not crazy, but it's good we're on season two okay and then my buddy Alanpar recommended all American. So we're going to check out all American. Afterthat we watch black list. We benched, like all, there's a lot of episodes, NSand black list black list law and order Svu. So right now manifest probablygoing to start all American after so we've always been shows together. We,like that's our thing, you know, and, and so I think, finding something thatyou can do together, where you're genuinely interested in it and you're,at least in physical proximity, because a lot of times it you could just beweird. We you're like we're going to work on our marriage. Let's sit downand ask us, ask each other these ten questions about how you're doing andit's like Whai feel super, robotic and weird and right, but I think justproximity and finding something that you both love to do together and andfor us. It's also. My wife just did vacation our versionof Vacation Bible school at our church, and I hoped worth that I did one of thecamps for that so because I'm a big personality, a lot of times, she'shelping me with stuff, whether it's business or whatever, but serving herin that way like this is your thing: you're super passionate about it,you're, organizing the entire thing and I'm going to do a camp with forbasketball, and it was like an hour long camp for the week every day SuperFun. She does. She does these like children's musicals,and I do sound for the the actual production for those right so likedoing something that she's into and serving her. In that way, I think ishas been helpful. You know because I'm like and then you develop a heart forit like man. This is super. Do initially is like obligation I'll dothis, because you ask me to do it, but then it's like due this is Rad like Iactually love doing this. This is Super Fun Right. So again, when you learn tolove what you do, then you get to do what you love in other areas of yourmarriage and so yeah. I love it. You're likemixing, beats for these kids at VB, Dude. It's fun and teaching thembasketball like these. Do these kids realize that they have Ruslan die nowand that's another thing is like serving for those for those folks thatare creatives, have personalities I doing big stuff music, whatever havinggan outlet to serve, and you not be the...

...guy. HMM, it's so healthy. I mean evenif it's just serving kids is one thing, but cleaning bathrooms in your churchstacking chairs, doing something where you're, not the guy, I think, is veryhealthy for people's Ego, who are emerging and exploding and all like. Iwish every Christian rapper was a part of a church plant where they had topull up every week and set up the chairs and set up the sound and reallyserve. You know serve the kids. I think it's very therapeutic yeah call it vessel of hip hop hello, a well! That's all the time we have today.Where can our listeners and viewers find you find your music find youryoutube, find it all yeah, it's just Ruslan Kady on all platforms. If yousearch Roslin most is a new Google Ruslan, I think I'm come up or US LAand K D. that's the YouTube! THAT'S THE INSTAGRAM TWITTER! All the aboveawesome and you've been a part of a couple music group. So, if they'relooking for your like collaborative music, would they find you under? If I suchRuslan, all my spotify it'll actually take them to all the collaborativeprojects, and then I did a record Paul Russe. I did the brakes of it dreamjunkies. So quite a few things there amazing man. Well, it's been a pleasurehaving you here in the studio for everyone. Listening again, thank you.Stay young stay married, but definitely state Christian Amen, all right y'all.We hope you loved that conversation here, Young Mary Christian. We are on amission to see a Gospel centered home made available for every single childin the foster care system. There are four hundred thousand kids in thepostige system and there four hundred thousand churches in America tall thechurch can solve this problem. If you want to join us on this mission text,the word freedom to eight three, three, three, seven, oh one, six one, ohanother thing you can do to help us grow. The reach of this podcast is toleave a rating in apple podcast. It's super simple, just go to the show'spage stroll down and give us a rating for this show debow. What's a goodrating typically just count. The fingers on my hand, and then I clickthat many stars all right, so we're not telling you to give us a five starrating, but for the love of everything holy. It would help us tone if you wit,an give us a rating. I guess for that guy that has four fingers just had one.Yes, you don't even have to leave a reviewbecause, let's be real, that takes too long just go to applepie and leave us arating yes, but seriously, though, if you do nothing else at least text theword freedom to eight three, three, three: Seven, Oh one, six one o eight,three, three, three, seven o one: six, one O e, the three thirty seven o one,six, one o eight, the the three seven one, six, one o.

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