@ruslankd - The Dangers of "Churchianity" w/ Ruslan

Welcome back to young married Christian. We are on a mission to see a Gospel Center home made available for every single child in the foster care system, because the Bible made us do it. And in this episode devo talks to Rouse Lan, Youtuber, rapper, producer. He's got almost a hundred thousand followers, probably will have a hundred thousand subscribers on youtube by the time you are hearing this. He's incredible. I've been binge listening to his youtube content for probably the better half of the last four or five months. And Yeah, devo had an incredible conversation with them. Yeah, and the interview was absolutely lit, so lit that we talked about the time that Bruce Line got lit by taking edibles and getting up in their plate got there. So we talked about that story and then also his views on marijuana and how they play a part in Christianity. Yeah, so we also devo also talked to Rousselon about cancel culture. He specifically talked about the situation going on with de baby right now. If you've got your finger on the pulse of pop culture, you probably know what we're talking about, but if you don't, you will after you listen to this interview and then it was absolutely incredible. We tried something totally different this time. At the end of the interview. We went live on instagram with Russlan's followers and took questions and feedback from them and use them and we even got to talk about his views on sexuality and then even dived into birth control and LGBTQ plus community. Yeah, it was wild. We also talked about Rousselin's thoughts on the really popular podcast right now called the rise and fall of Mars Hill. The documents just like the name says, the rise and fall of Mark Dri school's former church, Mars Hill. So you're absolutely going to want to listen to this entire conversation. It was incredible. So hold onto your prayer beads, Sharon, because we are young married. And then really, really, really want is. It is a Christian twenty bucks were drink and then if you throw your Poncho away in the trash, can they actually get sucked down into the tunnels of Disney and they resell them? is every time. No, I'm kidding, because there was by the tunnels of Disney. I was like, I said, really, Tuneles underneath and know there are so, really so. When you're a magic kingdom, you're on the second level of the park. No, there is a whole city underneath you. Yeah, like a city, like the characters get from nat to point without Whoa. Yeah, yeah, I don't know if you've noticed. You you never see cowboys and Tomorrowland. You never see space rangers in Fantasyland, like. So they all come from the beneath and they come up. It's like if you've ever seen the movie us, the Jordan Peel, like horror movie. Yeah, wait, no, it well, if you ever watch it, it's similar to that. When you're down there, there, it's kind of like. No, I never saw n fighting. I saw the other one. Was the other get out? He did get out. Yeah, I wanted to see us. But did you see happily ever after last night? No, what's happily ever after? Get The fireworks show? Oh yeah, I saw the fireworkshop. Yes, yes, I didn't know it was called happy of every day. Yes, so the fireworkshop. That was dope. It's really good. I was dope. That's dope. My son was on my neck and now my neck hurts. So there's that. It was it was fine. I won't point. I was pushing the stroller with him on my neck, the baby and the Stroller, with my backpack on. HMM, and I like my wife and I said what do I pay you for? You know. Well, and I was thinking in my head, like what's different about us and and Disneyland? Like I always know what you guys have that we don't, but I don't necessarily know what we have that you guys don't. So my thought was, Phil our magic, we have it, you don't. And the fireworks, we haven't. You don't. I thought we had fireworks. Well, you don't have I don't think happily ever after, I don't know. Okay, but yeah, so your got. It's a lot of the same stuff. Ariel was identical. A lot of the same stuff. The park is just bigger and better. The castle, yeah, the castles is really dupe. Yeah, yes, like, yeah, I feel like when you see Disneylands Castle, you're just kind of like, well, I guess when they finish it it'll be big. I don't know. Yeah, it's cute. The lighting is really dope. You guys as main street is really dope. The fairy is really cool. I would say. Yeah, I would say it was like you could tell they built Anaheim before they built magic kingdom. For sure, you can see. Yeah, I mean there's there's big differences. East Coast, west coast. I'm even curious, like, okay, after church on a Sunday and you have to go through a drive through, where are you going? Because I know in and out and that was like immediate and know. Yeah, I mean like the other night, I'm like we last night we leave more like Oh, like, we don't want to stay there and g get food and pay two hundred dollars a plate. So we're like...

Gosh, and they're like, we don't like, they don't have any. And out here, like what are we going to eat? You know, they don't have any now. So what you have to resort to? We went back to Disney Springs and went to the House of Blues. Hmm, it's good. Wait, or is this the is it we recording? Oh, this is the podcast. How welcome, man, okay, you're here. What he's like? Wait a second, I fill a podcast coming and boozeled me now. Well, I mean our listeners know that I have a love for White Castle. It's unhealthy and I was thinking the other day that when I say that because our our first four episodes just dropped. Yeah, so this is like the first time I'm doing one of these after people have heard what we've been doing and have given me feedback, and so I've heard like debout people are going to pay you as a stoner because you keep talking about white castles. And the truth is I've never smoked weed in my life, not that I've like ever not considered it or anything, but then I was thinking, because I feel like weed is just becoming normalized and we see it a lot. So I'm curious what your stance is on weed, because as somebody who's rock and tattoos your you know you're rapper. Like where do you see weed? Well, well, first of all is white castle is bad as what a burger in what sense? Just every measurable metric under the Sun. So they call him sliders because they go in and they slide straight through you. So if you're talking nutritional value, yes, it's way worse. Okay, I don't think I've had white castles. I've only had water burger. And I was like this, like this and text mix, like this is what you guys are excited about, and then that point I realize I can never live anywhere else. Be Said Southern California. It's like, because you see what everyone else in the country's eatex mix like, what a burger like really, and I just feel like such a snob. Yeah, and we we wake up with biscuits and gravy so that we can have our concrete mix inside of us to slow us down, so that we don't have to stress out about life. So it's like that plus White Castle. I don't know how anyone's even alive in the south. It's wild, Dude. It's yeah, yes, shout out to the COVID RATE IN ORLANDO. Freak me out. I was like, holy smokes, and eighty nine, like it's like triple what it is in southern California, which is like high. And I was like holy smokes, and then they're like yeah, but if you're healthy, you're gonna be fine, and I'm like, forty percent of the population is morbidly obese, according to the CDC. Like what? We don't listen to them here in Florida. comparently. You know, everyone is judging Florida, yet everyone's here on vacation. You know, it's like, how dear Florida and their covid rate. I guess we're going to Orlando next week. ORLANDO, yeah, man, yeah, so's it's really nice here. But Cannabis, medical cannabis. So I don't smoke. I've I don't smoke anything. But when I had knee surgery, the doctors were trying to give me opioids. But two years ago I had a minor procedure on my knee, but it was, you know, traumatic enough where I needed painkillers and they try to give me hydrocodone or whatever. So I was like, well, this would be a good time to figure out like what my actual stance is, because I'm not just going to like take this stance on something that I've never I haven't done since sixteen. So I got these edible little mints, Little Thin Mints MMM, for Pain Relief and I was like well, let me you know, they're not as addictive and whatever. And so so two years ago is when I did cannabis as an adult and it was it was it was actually really, really nice, like the pain relief, the sleep. You're taking five milligrams. So for anyone that like really does cannabis to like five milligrams where you're not even to feel anything and I'm like really, and I like, dude, I take at least fifty, and then I took five and I was like holy smokes, like you're really a stone, or like fifty will put me out. So so I so, I don't. So I don't smoke anything. I don't do drugs recreationally, but at this time I was I had a lot of knee pain and I had to get I had a show. I don't ever should show the start. I had a show in Boston for my buddy Mike Max. What was it called? That's it wasn't destination. It was a converence he does. I feel so bad for forgetting what it was called, but it was a thing he does every year and it was like me, Derek Minor, this old Stephen and Malcolm, like all the guys. And one day actually did...

...a ton of interviews that night and I'll for my youtube. And so I had a red eye and I was like man, I want to I want to take this red eye so I can get there in the morning. So I can I could sleep on the plane. I get there in the morning, but I suck at sleeping on planes. So I could sleeping anywhere. So I was like I I have these two different stems of these edible mints that know they're they're like like gummies. That about gummies. There's the there's the INDIGA, which is a downer, and then there's this Ta Teva, which is upper. And I had had this the Tivo once before and I just put me to sleep. This is like early, like like two days after the knee surgery. So I had some relaxes your body. It's like it's like a body high's not the same as like when I smoke when I was a kid, and so I just relax me put me a sleep. So I had this bright idea of like alright, like I've been a woo see, like I've been taking five milligrams. I really want to sleep, so I'm going to combine this the Teva, and combined to Indiga. So I took like fifteen grams of INDIGA and five grams of this the Teva gummies. Okay, so fifteen of the upper, fifteen of the Downer, five of the upper. Wow, I'm guessing it might have been ten and fifteen or whatever. So now I'm taking now I'm tripling my dose, but I really want to sleep and I took it right as my wife drop me off the airport and I'm like all right, I'm going to take it now, you know, and I was like she knows, like I'm not not like this, I'm not doing this in secret, like I'm in legitimate pain, kyre guys. So I was really in Zerim with pain. So I'm like I could sleep, so I so I take some, I take all this and then right as I'm a bore about to board the flight, it just hit me like a pile of bricks. Everything slows down and it feels every moment feels like final destination. Everything is in slow motion. I'm just Chit Chat and the sparking conversations with the people waiting in line to get get on the plane just I'm not that guy like and I'm just talking, Yapping, and then we finally get on the plane. I have this great seat and I'm like I'm gonna die, like this plane is going down. I'M gonna die. This is it. I'M gonna die. Is I'm texting my wife, I'm texting my buddy tea Ross, who had just went through leukemia or was going through the Keeym at the time. So he was taking this stuff for pain relief as well. I think he had just gotten discharge. And I'm taking my buddy, who's like a real stoner, and I'm texting them and they're like to just relax, like you're feeling paranoid. Everything's going to be okay, just relax. So I so I'm trying to relax. I'm sitting there, mind's going a hundred miles an hour. Someone's like, Dude, just read the Bible, just just read it. By my guy. I'm read the Bible. Then somebody's like someone else says you should just write some wraps. Right now. This would be a great time to write some wrap so like nothing's working, like every my rap with the rap is awful. The Bible doesn't make any sense. Everything's just a train wreck. So then the plane take finally I'm sitting it really feeling like I need to get off this plane, like I'm really like I got to get off this plane, like, and I don't struggle with anxiety, but this was intense. This was like my heart, like I could feel my heart beating my my brain, like everything is while. So I find just close my eyes. I'm sitting there. A plane takes off and then in the middle of the flight, I thought doze off. In the middle of the flight. I remember my my doctor told me, Hey, make sure you get up because you make it blood clots, because you just had knee surgery, like you're safe to fly, but you need to get up at some point because you make it black cloths. Like all right. So I wake up in the middle of the flights, a red eye, mind you, freaking out, thinking I have blood clots, storming up and down, but I like a mad we land, we land, I'm still high. It's seven am. I'm still like out of it. I hit my buddy Mike Mac. He's like take that, take the shuttle to the train, to the Uber to the the and I got luggage because I got all my podcasting equipment. I got my backpack, I got merchandise, like two big bags of luggage on a backpack. Right. It's just terrible. So I'm like a little Goa take on this shuttle to go to here to take the Uber. So then I get to I get to the the AIRBNB and the rap Zilla guys are at the air BNB. It's seven am. Everyone's asleep. To not letting me in the air ban because everyone's asleep. MMM. So I'm like, I call Mike. Mike I said, dude, I can't get in the AIRBNB. He's like, all R, I'm going to come pick you up. I just got a hotel room. I was like, all right, cool, I don't know if I tell him at this point. He picks me up. I just confess everything to him. I feel so convicted. I'm still high, like I'm just as high as I was when we took off and Mike picks me up, takes me to the hotel. He's like...

Hey, man, yes, Stephen Malcolm's there. It's a two rooms, two bedroom. You can, you can, you can sleep there and then I'll pick you up around noon or whatever for the workshop you're doing. So I've never met Stephen Malcolm in person. So I'm like sweet, like I'm high and I'm to share room with Stephen Malcolm. So I pull up. Gosh, I don't know if I should be saying all this. So I pull up, Stephen Malcomes there and I just confess everything to him, like I'm just I'm feeling so paranoid, convicted, and I feel like everyone can see it on me right with everything, like just the weed stuff that we not like your whole life, not the whole damn, because I have been hilarious and steen, Malcolm was like, he's laughing. He's the coolest. Do mean him was still like friends till this day because of this like this like moment we had. So He's like, oh, man, it's all good, like Fu just go ahead and sleep, you know. So I go to sleep. It's like thirty eight at this point. I wake up at like twelve. Mike Max, I'Mbout to come pick you up. Wake Up. I'm still high. He's like, all right, we got this conference. Well, you know, I mean we got to we gotta go here, we gotta go to go to the to the venue, and then you're on a panel at like thirty or one. It's a panel with Doc Watson Chad horden. So they pick me up and then like we pick up thistle or thistles in the car. So then like I'm even more paranoid. So then I confess the thistle. So I'm just like it's just like confession central, right. So we get to the venue, I'm still high and I walk in and it's just like a hundred Christian rapper fans and it felt like all of them turned, looked at me and like wanted to say hello all at once. So I'm walking through this like see if people to the panel, sit down on the panel, I'm still high. Oh my gosh, doc, I confess the DOC and Chad and I'm just like, guys, like help me, because I'm still like this is this is what happened. I had he serves explain to me. I need searchers. It was just too much. So I somehow I make it through this panel. I think I posted a picture. You could see a picture of me and I'm just like smiling, laughing the whole time, and I think everybody knows and can see it on me. So we finished this. I'm texting like how does this stop? Like is at this point, I'm getting pared and I'm like this is it, like I did myself and I'm going to stay this way forever. And I'm texting my friend like why did why would anyone want to feel this way? Like this is stupid right. So text my friend. He's like, Dude, go get a milkshake, get some sugar and you maybe to help flesh it. I'm like really like a milkshakes, like just go get him, like I don't know if it did anything. So anyway, we do this whole thing, we get to the venue sound check thirty. I'm still high. The milk take didn't help. Nothing helped and it did not wear off until right when I started my interviews. So I had interviews from Derek minor or one day, I forgot who else, jet Rockstar, Jtam so, and I did like four interviews that night. Is All a blur. And then finally when I went on stage around like eight nine, then I was like in my right state of mind and that is the worst experience I've had with anything in my life and I will probably never do cannabis again like like, or I would like if I had like another surgery, I was injured or something like that. May maybe like five mother graps, but it's I'd really don't get it. I don't understand. I understand the medicinal benefits, like I understand like if you're in pain. My mom broke her shoulder and I like got her some of the same thin mints, but she very, very, very little she would take. But to just like casually want to feel that way, like what? This is bizarre. good. On Cannabis, I think it's very hard to make an argument that someone can consider can smoke cannabis and not be and still remain sober minded. I think it's very difficult to make that our because that's what the scriptures called us to write, be sober minded. I don't know, I don't know. But so I know you can have a glass of wine. I don't drink anymore, but I've had this. People may think I'm lame for this, but I'll have like a hard cider, Whoa, and be like Whoa, like I'm feel fine, this is great, right. I knew Mike was hard, but I didn't know ruse lamb it was. And they're good, but I just don't see the value in and in drinking them. Yeah, but, like, I understand somebody having a glass of wine and or a couple glasses of wine or whatever and not being high. And and I think you could have a thin mint, not them at a mint of cannabis and not be high. But I think once you start getting to fifty milligram, I mean I should tolerance goes anyway. So I just I can't remember brain around it. I know that's a big thing. A lot of Christians are smoking now and it's like all cool and edgy and whatever, and I'm just like well, what, like yeah, I mean, I'm testament here on the podcast that you can have a glass of wine and still be sober minded. I'm just kidding. This is this is are you says? Are...

...you men? What? Are you so reminded though, because you imagine just cocktails with Christians. Here we are. You think you're drinking Yourba mate. You have no idea. You spiked it. I mean I'm listening to the story and I'm imagining you like opening up your Bible on the plane and accidentally come into revelation and it all my really go and it co mode. I didn't go to revelation. I think I was like just reading like the Gospel, like the Gospel, like Gospel of John and Jesus Comfort me. Right now. He's like turning water into wine, and I mean yeah, and trying to figure out like how can I remedy this and like how do I make it stopped? MILKSHAKE was milkshake, was what they told me to do. Is like Mixxa I'm like, okay, yeah, I was really like, how do I make this thought? Don't. I don't want to fill this way. I don't understand why anyone would. I literally I would. I wish I had that text messages. Man, I lost the text message, but I had like a long sequence with my wife, with t Ross Tanner and with my button. I'm not going to name my buddy who is a stoner, but yet got him stoner friend number one. Don't her friend number maybe Pinos, will you have up? Yeah, to me it's just one of those like kind of blurry lines, I feel like, right now in our culture and people saying like Oh yeah, like it's totally fine, or people being really against it and just kind of like figuring out, you know, what is the right thing. And for me, like one of your youtube videos that I heard, one of the things you mentioned was if you're spending a lot of your paycheck on it, then that's probably not a good thing, you know, and I guess that could go for anything, like if you're spending a bunch of money on alcohol, weed, and I'm just named bad things, but even if you're spending a bunch of money on just entertainment, you know, like probably not healthy for your finances and I like, as a Christian, you're probably not being diligent right with what God has given you, and I know that. You know on this show there's been a couple times where we've riffed on Dave Ramsey and I just want Dave Ramsey to know we don't hate you. Actually, Dave Ramsey got me out of debt. I am completely debt free and I know that Dave Ramsey did the same for you. So, starting from like your lowest of lows, can you take us through your financial journey and how Dave Ramsey kind of helped you? We grew up, me and my mother grew up on wealth. Are Full on lining up for food to get whatever we could, which is ironic because I was born in the Soviet Union and we would line up for rations there. So here we go from the Soviet Union lining up for rations to then like coming to America, my dad leaves and we're on welfare. I don't even I don't think we had food stamps, at least I don't remember as having food stamps, which is welfare, and then we'd go and line up for different places for food. So I grew up like like poverty, like poverty, poverty, right, and I don't remember ever going without food, but I remember having a line up to get free foods, like it wasn't just always there and when I got but it's time I got married. We were kind of like my mom and me a kind of like middle class, I guess you would say. So you get married, we move out and we go on another vacation, the on our one year anniversary, just like totally all. I'm I was the one pushing this. My wife is very frugal, but I was like yeah, on another, another cruise, like two cruises in a row, which is like an hindsight, like what, I don't you. I would never go on a cruise now, right, like it's not two thousand and twenty one, right, stupid vacation and Hindsi. So I remember going on a cruise a year into being married, putting it on our credit cards, broke and not really being able to enjoy the cruise because I know when we come back I got all this dead I'm doing with all these different situations and would would happen? What? Let after that, as we discovered we were actually went through crown financial first, which is the guy who mentored Dave Ramsey, created a program called Crown Financial. I don't remember his name right now, but then we we discovered Dave Ramsey. And so this is after this cruise and prior to that I had co signed on a condo with my mom and she let it go into foreclosure. So I moved out. She lets it go into foreclosure. The H O ways go to collection. That like she just stopped paying it, right, and this is in the middle of like the housing crisis, like this is like Oh, six hundred, seven hundred and eight right, like right as the market crashed. So she just stopped paying it. So I co signed on this thing. So we are so I'm like moved out at this point. We're, you know, not taking vacations on our credit cards, like what work in the day. Ramsey, baby steps. We had our baby emergency fund where a couple months in the process and I kept getting these notices, totally my fault, for the Choway. It was like it was...

...like one hundred in ha because a hundred dollar she stopped paying it. So at a two hundred that compounded to like Fivezos with fees, and they kept sending me notices, like hey, you know, there's a judgment to get. There's like a go to court. Then there's a judgment to get, right, and I didn't go because I have my last name is spell on the paperwork. So I'm sitting here thinking like Gosh, this isn't me, like you guys don't got me, like whatever. I didn't realize that they have my social security number. That matches right. So the names we must spell, but but whatever. So I just ignored it. Like I was like well, this is this isn't my debt, like this is my mom like I've been moved out right, like I'm trying to try to justify it on my head. So this one hundred debt rose into a five thousand dollar debt and I wake up one day we thankfully we had just paid our rent. Wake up one day we're a couple of months in a process. We got some good momentum going and my wife calls me and she's like hey, our accounts are levied, and I was like what does that mean? She's like all the money from our accounts is taken out, I can't use the debit card and we have no money, and I was like what? And she's like yeah, so then I'm like that's correct. Thankfully, we just paid the rents. So then start pretty figuring out what was going on and I figured out that this old debt call the bank, got all the money from our account wiped. It wiped it, and this is like the second or the third of the month. So I'm like, holy smokes right and to gain. Thankfully, we just paid our rent we have no money, and I start the process of like how do I deal with this? Call the collections people, this is what you owe. Think we still owed like in the the three grand on it. We didn't have a ton of money on account. We had a thousand dollar emergency fund and like whatever our budget was, maybe like another thousand and fifte hundred. So I start the process. I go down this whole thing. In the process I check my own credit and I find out when my mom let that place going to foreclosure. The first mortgage was foreclosed on, like the big one, but there was another sixtyzero second mortgage that was on my credit and I was and I just owed it. So now I'm like Holy Moley, like I owe this three grand, I owe all my other student loans, my car notes, my council Levy and I owe another sixtyzero dollars on the second mortgage. That didn't go into a foreclosure. It's just on my credit. This is like three or four years after my mom's out of the place. Now ortwe I don't remember the timeline. And I was like man, this is bad, like this is really bad. So I literally was looking at for club enough for closure, bankruptcy. I was like man, I might have the provoct like there's no way, like this is like over a hundred grand to debt right, and I start doing research and finding stuff out and I was listening to Dave Rams. The other time we were so we didn't we didn't even go through his program like we literally just read what the baby steps were and just listen. That's how broke we are. We couldn't even go to the program can't afford financial piece and even find and it's for bootleg in it. We're listening to the podcast every day. We're work in the baby steps and listening to his show. He talked about how to settle a creditors and so I remember listening to it and because this was an older debt, it's like a for five year old dead. They they would call and now I called them, I found them, called them and I said, look, this is old, this is going to fall off my credit in two or three years. Anyway, I have a thousand dollars for you and I'll settle the sixty tho it's worth of debt for a thousand dollars. Sixtyzero. Yeah, four, a thousand thousand and Jays laugh or they hang up. They were like let us get back to you. So call me back couple days later and they're like hey, we'll accept it. No, yeah, this guy oversee. So at this point the debt, the Sixtyzero, had been sold multiple times. So they getting it for pennies on the dollar. They're like whatever. Like well, we'll take it, you know. So I was like right at the paperwork. I followed all the steps right to paperwork, sent them a cashier's check and I settled that sixty thous a debt four thousand dollars. The ironic part is that one hundreds of Chha's that my mom didn't pay, I had to pay the full five grand on that. They knew they had me and so settle that. Paid off that. Eighteen months later we were plus the other forty or forty five grand of debt we had. Eighteen months later were completely debt free and every like everything turned around. We were able to save up a six month emergency fund. You know, I got a better job. In the process of doing this, in the process of that moment, I did something I'd never did, which done, which is a feature sale. So I rappers charge for features. I had never done this before and I wasn't that big. I've maybe had like a couple thousand followers, five thousand followers at the most. You're just saying clarify. You're saying, like you feature in someone song. Yes, okay. So I put up I say, Hey, I'm doing this feature sale and if you guys want me on your song, this would be the time to get me...

...on your song. Reach out to me. I don't remember the system that I had. This is two thousand and ten, two thousand and maybe two thousand and eleven it I don't remember. It was somewhere that ball park. Two Thousand and eleven, I think. Two Thousand and ten, I don't remember. But did this feature sale. I made three grand in a week. I had never made that kind of money before. So hitting rock bottom. Pause pushed me to do something I've never done anymore, because we really need to need money food, like we had no food money. And I did that feature sale and that unlocked something in me to say, like, what I have is valuable, I have a skill set, I have influence, I can monetize this, and it completely changed the trajectory of how I saw money, how I saw my own value as a creative what was possible. And so by the time we were out of debt, we we got out of debt, we my wife got pregnant. I was traveling doing shows. We went to Paris, we went to Rome, we went to New York, we did a bunch of traveling. WASHERS pregnant. We were in Paris. I remember one that we were in Paris and we walk like two miles because we got lost. It's is my five month pregnant, five months preak. I'm thank for Ye as you about five months pregnant. We're walking across Paris. It's like dark and late and it was really good for us to like do a linear process of building our life, you know, because most people just kind of jump in just like lot. We're married now. This is that fun. We had a very and we both come from poverty, like we both come from like there there is no help, like you know. So that was this this moment. And then fast forward. We come back from Paris, my wife has the baby, I'm on staff at my church at this point and I'm also doing music. So this is right as the dream junkies were starting to rev up and I just kind kind of feel the tension at my church. I was there for two years at that point and I remember being on tour levies. Maybe this is this is like March or April. Yeah, this is south by southwest. We were coming home from south by southwest March leave. I was born in November, so Levi's five months at this point, six months at this point. My wife is a stayathome mom, I'm working out a church, I'm making decent money. We're out of debt, but we have six months of living expenses saved. We've traveled, we've done all the things that we want to do and I was like a called her and I remember all the guys when I got ponchos and they were hanging out and I was like man for like, I don't I don't want to don't. I don't feel like I could work this job anymore. So I call her. I said, Hey, I think when I get home we should pray about leaving the church, leaving my position at the church, not leaving church, leaving my position of the church, putting in a two week notice, something like that. And it remoll. I've told me, I don't think there's anything we need to pray about. I think you need to come home and putting your two week notice. And I was like what, like, you are way more courageous than I am, you know, to just be like no, like we need to make this jump as an entre entrepreneur, and she had seen, like I had proven to her that I could make money. I proven to her that I could provide, and so my wife had a way more courage to me at that point, Dude. And so yeah, we come home, we put in a tweek notice. This is March. They didn't they they we turned into a two moonth notice. That kept me through the end of May, which, again, this is my church family. So I'm not sweating. And in June, First Twenty fifteen, I go full time as a creative and you could actually guys, look up my day as a full time rapper and you can actually see my very first day as a full time rapper. I did it. I did a log series back then on that and yeah, man, so I have been full time with creative stuff ever since. That's amazing, like, that's absolutely incredible, and I shout out to Dave Ramsey. Stopped whooping on Dave Ramsey. Yeah, we love you, Dave. I feel like, you know, just like hearing that. First of all, you're talking about all the places that you travel, and I was thinking the only time I've ever done that is at Epcot here in Orlando, going from like Romed like in Paris and all these plays. anyways, you talk about like because I think that a lot of people in there like listening off their spiritual maturities or, like their disciplines. I don't think that they would necessarily like list like manning up and taking care of your family and like figuring out how am I going to provide, and I think that just like hearing you talk about like that. You know, you had that hopeless mindset, that poverty mindset, that woe is me mindset. Are just like whatever happens to that low socioeconomic class? Yeah, you know, they just kind of feel like they're stuck and they're in that Rut. Yeah, and you know it's like they focus on prayer, they'll go to church. You know, they might be getting discipled by somebody, they might be discipling others, like they have all these other spiritual things in their life, but they're not mature in like manning up and owning, you know, their families finances. So how do you view that as far as being part of spiritual maturity?...

That's a great question. And I was just texting with Dr Eric Mason, who's a I've had him on my channel and I think he's brilliant, who wrote the book urban apologetics. He really passes a church out in Philadelphia and we were having this conversation and he one of the things he said to me, as he said, sometimes our theology is experienced, meaning we experience things and we kind of form questions around our theology. Said, if you think about it, a lot of the New Testament is Paul or Peter Answering questions to questions that people had. And he said he's a poor people and rich people have different questions and I was like man, that that is so spot on that. I had totally different questions as someone that's coming from poverty, single parent household. My wife coming from from poverty, in a foster care system. We have in a system. She was adopted by her best friend's mom when she's like sixteen, seventeen legally, and then that's how we met. So we're coming from experiences where our questions are just different. You know, how did that do? I right, just always live paycheck to paycheck, which is always is what this is the best that I can do with my life. Is is all my potential. That God right. So much of that is subconscious and subtle and so much of that requires people being exposed to different ideas and different ways of thinking. And if you're coming from a middle class background, if you're coming from upper class background, sometimes you you don't know what it's like not to have food. So you're not asking the questions of like, how do I give glory to God in my finances, because you've always kind of had this median. But if you look at eighty five percent of America's millionaires are first generation rich, meaning they come from nothing, they become billionaires. Eighty five percent, sixty five percent of America's billionaires, would it be our first generation rich? They come from nothing, they become billionaires. So there's something about not having and then expanding versus all. Like I've always ate nutritious food and always had a car in always had a you know ac right when you don't have that, and so I think you then don't understand that you don't have the capacity to know everything your parents had to do to get you there or everything their parents had to do to get them there. And wealth begets wealth. That's the one of, I think, the pros and the cons of a free market society is wealth begets wealth. So if you understand how wealth works, it's very easy to just let it compound on top of each other. If you don't understand how wealth works, you're always just working to eat and you're never building on anything. And so I think it's a deeper question because one it's a question of responsibility. I believe people in North America, in the West, have a obligation to some degree to care for the poor, to care for the widow, to care for the orphan. We are in the most prosperous time I think the world has ever seen as much as it's hard and there's wealth in equality and all these kind of things, but we are in a time where it's someone like me can literally go from nothing to something within a very small window. So I think there's a personal responsibility to our am I doing the most with my time, talent and treasure? Per Matthew Twenty Five. I think there's a moral obligation that if I have the ability to build wealth, not just for the benefit of myself and my family, but for the benefit of other there's I should and that's the that's the Lens I'm looking at it from, and I think most people probably just haven't experienced poverty, don't know what it's like to go to poverty and also don't know how to take their experiences and help other people. And that's what what probably brings me the most amount of joy is. I think that entrepreneurship, kingdom entrepreneurship, ethical wealth building, solves a lot of people's problems. I think it solves a lot of problems, from wealth inequality to so many different things that we're dealing with. Marriages strain marriages, the majority of divorces are because of money fights and money trouble right and so if people can get ahold of their finances and then it just impacts everything else around your life. It impacts your fitness. Right. They did studies and most people who go through Dave Ramsey plan, who get that free also lose weight. That's an interesting corpaction, you know, and I've never heard that, because you start the working that discipline muscle, you start telling yourself no, no, you can't just buy this because you feel like it. No, you can't just eat this because you want it right. And so I think Dave Ramsey in my life has been very helpful on a very practical level and gate given me an imagination to dream. I've met him once briefly. Cool Guy, and I think that is why some of the stuff that's came out is so disheartening. Is like, man, you really...

...have a voice that I think people like you have a message that people need. Don't get bogged down in the nonsense that then creates a barrier for people to listen to you because of whatever, like God just going to be flipping. You're going to say, you know, like don't, don't. That's the part that's a bummer that I think a lot of folks who have really good ideas, kind of just are a little too flippant with their language, and then it becomes a barrier and some people actually need the information. It becomes a stumbling black like people were in poverty who probably lean a little democratic because that's all you know, that's what you've been conditioned to believe. are actually need the Dave Ramses. And so I don't know how he's going to evolve and pivot, because the who he is now is a little more unfiltered and a little more aggressive than when I was into him twelve years ago, right, and it was it was a little softer. He's gentle and he's like he's kind of progressively gotten angrier. You know, it's probably because he's getting attacked a lot too. Probably, you know, you got to put up a little bit of a wall, a little bit of a guard. But it's interesting to hear you say all of that and I also know like for you it wasn't like, Oh, I'm just sitting around not doing anything, being comfort and comp like complacent with my life. It was almost like you were pursuing rap. You are going hard at it, but maybe, even though you were great at being a rapper and maybe that was something that you're passionate about. It wasn't the best seat for you, and now that I see you finding like I mean you have, you are like going full force with Youtube right now and it's like, yes, you could have continued to be a rapper, but I feel like when you found this new seat and the Youtube Realm, like not only are you loving what you do, but you are also now, I think, happier maybe with it or more successful with it. I don't know, and I and I could be completely wrong on that, but my question to you is, like do you think that sometimes people are just like the right people but in the wrong seat? Yeah, I think the right people in the wrong seat. I think not having the luxury to try enough things to figure out what the right seat is. That's a luxury like I think we forget, like to be able to be in a position where I'm at, where, yes, I'm coming from a perspective where it's like sports or entertainment, that would that those are the those are the options right, or the perceived options right, like I could have went to job corps and become a plumber or something like that as well then, but the press options that you think you have are sports entertainment. The plan a was become a professional basketball player. That was really plan a. What happened? I discovered that there has never been in Armenian in the NBA ever, and I'm half Armenian. So half of my DNA is like, boom, that's it. It's a rap. MMM if it shut and shout out to my buddy roofly, he says this. If you factor in the Kardashians, Armenians have taken more basketball careers away from NYBA. I've had it shut up to five. So I guess if when I did what I did that when I've discovered that, I was like, Oh uh, I'm just this is this is not in the cards. I'm five foot nine, five foot ten sophomore year. I don't have the capacity. I was only Chi. Am only child in terms of me on my mom have a half brother and sister on my dad side. Were real close now, but as a kid I didn't. I I wasn't very I wasn't a team player. I didn't quite understand authority because my father was going so I couldn't really functioned on like a traditional basketball team. So's a lot of things I was like okay, well, this isn't working. I got cut my sophomore year and people like Michael Jordan got cut a sophomore year. Michael Jordan got cut a sophomore year from his varsity basketball team. He still played junior varsity basketball. I got cut from my junior varsity. See, okay, so I within I was already dabbling in music and like let's just let's just do that. And what really did it was my mom. At that point, we're now we're kind of like middle class now, or lower middle class, and my mom got me a computer. This is two thousand and one. Yeah, two thousand and one, and I was like the one of the first guys would a computer with a little recording studio in quality was awful, but I was able to start very early with home recording. That was a luxury. I was the only kid that had a recording student, me and like one other family that I knew how to recording student and not like that's time a studio like compared to this, it was like it's like a PC or the terrible interface and like a condenser microphone, no pop filter light and I would go and buy coats of the Post Office store like the postal annex store and I will buy boxes and I would put boxes like like cardboard, and I would break apart the boxes and I would put them up as like a booth,...

...like I built my own booth with cardboard boxes and I understand, like panels. It just all sounded terrible, but that was a luxury that most people don't have. So like that. And then from that you, I learned how to produce music, I learned how to mix a little bit, and then from that I was able to learn video editing and from video editing I was able to get a job at my church doing the video and the media team. While I was doing music, with music, I started getting exposed to people that were doing music at a full time level, making six figures or, you know, High Eightyzero, seventy thousand a year. So between meeting guys like show Baracca and lacrae earlier in the process, I'm like, Whoa, this is possible and Christian music. And then I also had friends that were just not like the in the secular side of things, doing college shows that we're doing well, just booking secular college show. So I'm like, Oh, like you, I could actually do this in two thousand and eight nine is before chance to rapper, this before rust. This is before it was cool to be an independent artist. There was no pathway. It was like how do you heck do you build an audience? This is before Instagram, right. But I had access to people that were making great money playing colleges, Non Christian colleges, and Christians who are making money playing churches. I knew they were. So I had access and exposure to people. That's a luxury, that's a privilege. That's not that's not some people people don't have. Now, with the Internet, that was a little smaller. So there was always these moments that I think in God's sovereignty that he positioned me to have these encounters with people that get let me dream. And once I was able to dream, then it just okay, hot now how do I reverse engineer and develop the type of character and integrity and a skill set to to become artist? First, then learn how to become an entrepreneur and then it was like okay, now if I'm an entrepreneur, I have to objectively sit back and say it's not about what you want to do, it's about what's missing in the market place somewhere. Problem you're trying to solve. And Truth is, we don't need another Christian rapper. HMM, like we we don't. We have a bunch of them there. There's a bunch of them incredible, who are incredible. And what is the pride? And I knew that, based on my skill set, based on my experience, my life story, there was a bigger need and a bigger gap I could fill with what I'm doing now. And I still do music, like I'm stuff put out me. I'm in the process of putting out music now and it's fun, but it's not the bread and butter and it's not as it is this less pressure. I could hire people out so I don't have to produce it and mix it into everything myself, and it's actually more fulfilling to do it now and this and the music revenue stream long term because of publishing, is actually really lucrative if you understand how that works. Most people don't understand that works like I happen to understand our works, which is how I was able to quit my job in two thousand and fifteen and go full time with music. So yes, I'm happy you're doing youtube it's less work, it's more fulfilling, it's I don't have to travel as much. I get it's been way more time with my family and I think it actually solves some very tangible problems for people, which is what I really wanted to do initially. I really wanted to solve problems. And it's like well, what, just, you know, I just, I'll do the music for that, but it music doesn't translate the same for conversation like this. Like I couldn't have liked writing a song about financial literacy, like, you know, like what is it like? I'm debt free. Yeah, like it's just as cringe like to try to rap about that kind of stuff. It's like schoolhouse rock kind of stuff. Yes, yeah, you mentioned like Indie music like blowing up and now being like the cool thing. It was awesome, Ashley and I actually got to go to holy smoke fest and see like a ton of indie artists and rappers, get to hang out with deal and Mowgli and John, I mean like a lot of guys that you have done songs with. Yeah, those are those are my friends. Those like my real friends. Yeah, I know. I was honestly thinking that I might have seen you there, like I was like, you know, real, I actually my if I wasn't, if I wasn't doing this, I may have went to that. Okay, because you chose us over holy smoke. Absolutely you. Yeah, let's I chose and you got a big deal. Man, I'll been dealing and bring in my family, which was fun about this. Holy Smoker wouldn't have been fun to bring my family. We wouldn't have done anything. But yeah, go ahead, I'm sorry. No, I and I we hope that you love Disney. I mean I literally, I mean I worked for Disney for five years and left a job that I loved to come do this kind of similar to what you were saying, with like I could have stayed at Disney like and I could have made great money, but I feel like with what God has given me and with like what I can do through this podcast, for me, I don't know if this is exactly what you're going with your message of love what you do, but it's like I'm finding something that I love and something that I feel like is bigger and something that I can be used in a bigg way because, yeah, there's a ton of cast members at Disney that can be out there doing what I was doing, making magic, and, like you said, there's a ton of rappers out there doing that. But like, I feel like I have a special gifting here. You have a special gifting, obviously, on Youtube.

If you're not watching rouse lan stuff on Youtube, go check it out. It's phenomenal, amazing stuff. But my question kind of going with the love what you do. Is that similar to like, because I know with the covid thing, the world shut down, everybody's sitting at their house not working, and I remember thinking having that thought, oh it's summer break, baby, let's go, this is gonna be so much fun, we're gonna Binge, you know, Disney plus that had just come out. We're like working puzzles, were like having so much but and then all of a sudden you're just like sitting there. You're like, I'm kind of depressed. One Week later, hell, I what am I doing? And I you know, and I have conversations with people that are still sitting at home not doing anything, and the reasoning is, well, if I can't find a job that pays more than unemployment, why would I go find a job? And I'm thinking maybe for your like everything inside of you? Yeah, like, is that kind of what you're going with with with the love what you do? And okay, yeah, so talk about that a little bit. The mantra that's pushed to us. I think in our culture, specifically Gen Z millennials, there's this do what you love, right, do what you love, and if you guys watch the Wei works documentary, that was a lot of it, like do what you love, do what you love, and then you found out that was a cult. You're like Ho these books, this is a phone call, this is crazy, and the guy like, you know, the company got evaluated to be a sixty billion dollar company, but they weren't a tech company. They were just a code spacing company. Didn't own any of the real estate. They'd become to sixty billion dollar company that the CEO gets away with a billion dollars, like eight hundred million dollars, and like they almost collapse and you know now they're not worth a fraction of the sixty billion there were one time evaluated to do. And it was like I was all built on this farce of do what you love. And I think, and in my case, I had to first learn to love what I do before I ever got a chance to do what I love, I first had to learn to be faithful in the little things, which the new testament in Jesus talks about right, being faithful and what was in front of me. So before I ever had a chance to even work a cool job like do, being the media guy at my church, I was working with adults with developmental disabilities and it was super fulfilling and Super Fun. Wow. Yeah, because I had I learned to love what I do and honor God and all things, and I think that shift in my mentality in that this isn't like Joe Job, I just got to show up and write. No, like it brought dignity, it brought character and integrity to me. It really change who I was from the inside out and every time, the more faithful I was in a little things, the more God would advance me to do the things that I actually love to do, which is Youtube and communicating in music. So I think there's this entitlement we have because of technology and all these different things. And some people listen, man, if you're seventeen, eighteen, you're just starting out. You could probably finess it and just jump right into what you want to do. If you are smart and you understand technology, but the vast majority of US probably gonna have to go on some kind of journey to discover what is it that we won and what are we good at and try a bunch of different things. So that has to maintain that perspective of like, I have to learn and what I love, I have to I have to learn to love what I do and if I can learn to love what I do, eventually I will develop a skill set to do what I love. And I think that's missing. I think there's a gap there and that's what that's the heart behind it is. We have to have that perspective, because if we don't, then it's why would I go get a job if I could just collect unemployment? And it's like for your mental health, for your sanity, for your dignity, freeze, you know, like you just sitting there, what binging shows and getting fat, like this is not going to end well. Like this is not going to end well for you. And I think there's so much dignity and just work, like just work, getting up, I mean even just whatever. They got the most remedial work, and there's dignity in that. Man, there's dignity in serving a person. There's dignity in cleaning. Sometimes I go and my law I am not the hands e manzy fancy, I don't even know what they call it. I'm not the handyman. Sometimes I go into my backyard and I just do yard work and is so cleansing, like it feels good to just work with your hands and just do something and it doesn't make sense on paper, like I should definitely just hire a gardener, but because I find fulfillment in it, I could throw on a podcast. Work is good. God created work to be good and then, because of the fall, then it became thorns and thistles. Then it became hard and it became you know, and I think once you're you have this ringk you encounter with Jesus and your heart gets regenerated. I think then you can have that...

...redemption of work in even if you don't get to go and do cool stuff, you could still have that dignity in that value and work and that that's ultimately what I'm after is like how do I communicate that to people so that we have more people thriving and flourishing? And it's and it's tough because a lot of this can sound very like Prosperity Gospel Ish, right, like Ah, man, just God's gonna bless you, what a cool job. It's like, well, six billion people in the world will never have a car. Wow, like that's a lot of people there, and we're like yeah, we have so again, what is our context? What do we have here? How can we work here in this context in a way that honors God with what's been given us, so that maybe we could help some of those six billion people right, sponsor kids and all these different things, and I think that's the part that gets a little it gets a little messy, because you can't always take this and make it applicable to everywhere, because it's not applicable to everywhere. There are people that will never like their survival would just be on. We have to walk to get water and we have to walk to do this, and but they're still dignity in that work. There's still dignity in how they have to survive, and that's what I that that's like my heart is like man again, if there's more Christians thriving and flourishing here, we can build more wells in parts of the world that needs well so they don't have to spend a day going and getting water. And I guess like fifteen grand to build a well in a village in South America and Asia and Africa. Fifteen grand that's not a lot of money, right. So I think that's wealth can be really used to help people that otherwise wouldn't have access, right. And it's like, if we have plenty, why not generously give to people who don't have the same privileges and luxuries that we do? Yeah, I mean being able to have riches and have wealth and have financial freedom allows you to be able to help so many other people. I mean that's kind of what we talk about here. It's, you know, kind of behind our mission. It's not necessarily having a lot of money, but just kind of going out on that limb and deciding, you know, hey, and you could blame it on the Bible, you know, say the Bible made me do it, but saying, you know what, I want to do something bigger with my life then just sit at home and watch Netflix and draw unemployment or wait for God to magically give me a job. And if that is you and you're sitting at home waiting, why don't you pull out your cell phone right now and text freedom to eight thirty three, seven, zero, one hundred. And I know that we've been talking about this for for episode after episode, and now it's finally launched and it's went live and so now you can actually like go on and we've got people doing it. But anyways, I've been going through the seven day prayer challenge and you mentioned earlier that your wife went through the foster care system. Is that we so not through this system. So she was. I so my motherin law, my Fatherin Law, they've had some rough times in the s. A lot of the war on drugs, they row war on drugs thing kind of took him out and they did some some jail time, prison time, that kind of stuff, and so my motherinlaw would move back and forth and she'd go between Dallas, Seattle, San Diego and she'd kind of rotate. And so my wife, who was in high school at the time, you know, she did like a year of high school and Seattle came back down. When saying it, go back sea, out of the right, this whole thing. So she was hanging out with her best friend and they were like hey, you know, you can come stay with us, and so she ends up moving in with her best friend and they think legally went through the process of like becoming her foster parents. Catch that there wasn't she was in the system. It was that she went to live with her her mom, her best friend's mom and her best friend and their family, and that was like a really cool she got plugged into a church. She was going we that's we were at the same high school. She was able to say in the same high school. We met in high school and became acquaintances and yeah, and then some of her nieces and nephews have definitely been through the system and been yeah, it's rough, rough stuff, closed adoptions, open adoptions, and we're able to kind of help some of them, you know, being be really, really present in their lives and that's nice. So the foster care system is kind of personal. Yeah, like near and dear to your guys as hearts. Yeah, my my niece lives with us, so she's awesome. She was in a foster care system. I see my nephew all the time. He is think I'm pretty sure he's legally adopted. They both know their biological MOMS, which is my my which my sister in law, my wife, sister, okay, and so, yeah, so they're super, they're super ad man. So, like, I love...

...hanging out there. You know, my niece is like she about to be twenty one in September. My nephew is sixteen, she's going he's going into a sophomore year of high school. So yeah, and so, yeah, I love I love hanging out with them and I would love my nephew to move in with me, but he lives into valley with his foster mom and I'm like, Dude, you know, but my now my motherinlaw's living with us, so we're like anytime. Usually it's the other way around. It's like the you know, the mom waiting for the kids that may about like okay, they're like thirty now, still living in the basement playing video games. Let's get to get you've you've moved in your wife, now you've had a child. It's like all right. So something else that I feel like is happening right now in our world is canceled culture. People getting canceled, and one of my first videos that I actually saw of you, it was one that James had sent me, was your exposed series, and I'm curious, like okay, because first of all, if you have an exposed video series, who's going to cancel you? Like you've already, you know, essentially done what cancel culture does to yourself. Right you're like hey, ha ha ha, I was first to it, but I'm curious, like do you think that that? Do you think that that is the next movement for celebrity videos? You know, kind of like I am second, do you think we're going to see a bunch of celebrities now doing these videos where they expose themselves? And also, what was your thought process behind doing those videos? I hope so, I hope, I hope we see more of that, because I think then you get a better paradigm for what where celebrities coming from, an understanding what they're about and understanding their perspective. I think I some of what I did is Prett emptively, so that you can't dig up anything on me, like there's nothing to dig up. This is where I'm at, this is where I'm still trying to discover things. Here's my story. So that is pre emptive, like that is pre emptive, transparent, taking ownership of the narrative, because I think when you don't do that, then you open yourself up to potentially if you say something that people weren't expecting you right, and it's like well, no, this is what I've always been on, like what are you talking about? Right? So I think, yeah, I think you have. I think, in my opinion, should do a premptively, because if you don't do a premptively, then yet somebody's going to try to dig that up. I think. When I think a canceled culture, I think right now of what the baby is going through. I don't know if you know who the baby is. He's a rapper. MMM, the baby is a fascinating rapper, very easy, makes cool music. It's but it's very misogynistic and it's very violent at times. Right. And the baby has this long track record of being combative and violent on camera with fans, with his security, with fans, right. And what really kind of got him to take off, and this is a little dark, those you guys that know the backstory, so he was already making music. He showed up the south by southwest and two thousand and seventeen what a diaper on like the baby die. I think he even won by baby Jesus at one time. Oh, how? So he shows up. So He's been chipping away music, been doing it for a long time. But where he went viral is there were two shooting cases backtoback where he fought off people in self defense and one of the folks was him with his family shopping at Walmart and somebody pulled up on him and tried him. And because North Carolina is like I think of open carry state or whatever, he is a getting into an altercation and killing this dude. Wow, and then goes viral, right, and then goes fight like. That story goes viral and then all of a sudden is Mut us. It started kind of bubbling up again and he took off and he had to deal with interscope. And prior to this he was again. He's already in a music industry and like what kind of set them? I mean the music was always like catchy and fun, but was this like these violent incidences? And so he has. And then it was another home invasion where someone broke into his house, he shot somebody kill him. I don't know if he killed him that time. So this dude is like a documented. He's killed people right in self defense, and I'm all for your Second Amendment Rights. And but he didn't. He didn't just do that. Like he dropped the mixtape like a week after, conveniently timed. He kind of talks about it a lot. Talks about that. He's like has bodies, you know, he's killed people before, like he's talked about that before and again. I'm giving him to Ben fitted doubt, but this dude is a documented killer with a very violent music at times. Right and and he does Easton says he's things and kind of like funny ways, you know. And what happened in the last week and a half is he performed at rolling loud and he made some comments that went I mean they were very crass comments about they were trying to get the crowd hype, and he...

...was like Yo, if you know, if you ain't got HIV AIDS, put your phones up, if you're a woman and your couchie smells like water, put your phones up, if you ain't in a parking lot doing oral another gentleman, put your phones up. Where the phone? So he says these things, right, and they're trying to get the crowd. Now this is gonna this is going to translate super weird. When you don't hear the crowd and you don't see. You're not there for the but they just trying to do call and response for craft space and stuff, not to justify anything you just said. And what happened was that set off like a wild course of events and they were saying that this is these a homophobic statements, the tie into AIDS, the tie into giving gentleman oral in a parking lot right and the babies like what? Like, I have gay fans. I this isn't what you guys talking about, you know. And he kept trying to brush it off. Keeps trying to brushstock, keep trying to Bush it off, and then he had like every like four or five festivals canceled, backtoback to back to back to back. Lollapalooza was canceled, Austin festivals, like he just got dropped off. All all of these festivals back to back. Show start getting fair. So here's a guy who is a documented killer. Okay, there's multiple videos of him beating people up or getting into scuffles. Were people or his bodyguards beating up fans that he felt were disrespectful to him. His music is wildly misogynistic. It's very it's fairly violent, and the thing that gets him canceled is not rapping about murder, it's about saying something kind of insensitive around something else, kind of insensitive with regarding to the LGBTQ community. Right, right. That's where we are this in this space, and so he had to he issued multiple apologies and then finally, like the last and he like it was more like clearing up, like guys, no, like I don't have a problem with gay people, like there was a gay person in the front road of the show, like what he's talking about, and it was it's got worse and worse and worse. And then he finally issued like, you know, people don't let you grow before you. I'm still trying to educate myself on this topic and how insensitive my like. He issued like a full on like apology, and it just goes to show that they see, these are the things that can get you canceled in the moment and he did his best to own a narrative as as well as he could, but there's still this weird and balance where like murder, rapping about murder and rapping about women giving you oral whenever you want them and how much of a you know, player you are is okay, misogyny's okay, violence is okay, murders okay, but this, this is absolutely not okay, and if you dare say anything about it, you're canceled. I mean, and it was like guys like quest left from the roots and everybody cut out. And I'm not again, I'm not justifying what he said, but I'm saying that's the space where in where you can say something and not even it, not even on paper, sound crazy, but because of the context and the climate, now you have four, five festivals backtoback getting canceled right and like it's now impacting your entire momentum. So I don't know how to navigate that. For someone like the baby, like, how does he work through that, like you know, and a hypocrisy and all of this, like the double standards and all of this. That's the thing that's frustrating about cancel culture is it's just really like that's this is what gets him canceled, like all the other stuffs. Okay, though, you know, yeah, I mean it's insane because growing up as a s kid and seeing, like, I mean, for me, my hiphop, what my first like artist. I listened to is Eminem and I fell in love and hearing all the stuff he had and I think that just, I mean, you talk about violence, you talk about, you know, slandering people, you talk about somebody who probably would have got canceled if he would have been a new rapper today. You know, I just think that it comes from the the power of social media, the power of the Internet, the power of everyone having a voice. Now, yeah, and it's like I love that you kind of took the you know, you kind of got the the the jump on on that world and said, you know what, I'm going to expose myself, I'm going to put it all out there. Can't come after me. And now you're kind of taking the Internet and the social media world and using it to your advantage. Like watching your videos, you do like the split screen and on one half you'll have like a zoom video going, which I'm guessing you know these people or these are strangers or like woks at our patreon community. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, so we put a pay barrier, so you so you have to at least sign up for Patreon to call in and and they so that way, like the zoom calls and I just publicly open and we can get like, you know, trolled and his spare. I get like Chat Roulette. Dude. Okay, got you. Yeah, so these are fans of yours paying they and then it's just like a random lottery. If they is like five people, no, we we just open up to zoom call all and then so like they can call in and ask or comment or whatever. Yeah, wow, so you are not only building community, but you're also creating content at the same time. That is phenomenal.

Yeah, was that part of the plan? Well, I'm again big Dave Ramsey guy. Hmm, I love the Askary v show. I think when you can have the content create itself, when you can have the people create the content for you, I think that's the ultimate. That's the ultimate content creation strategy. Right, is like people called in, you answer their questions or at the very least you at least know what they're interested in. You at least know what they want to talk about. Very empowering as a creative yeah, I mean that's super. I mean I feel like it's convenient for you and then also amazing for like the super fans to be able to feel like they're a part of it and then to see their videos go live, like, oh my gosh, like my question is the newest video on Ruslan's page and now you're like using this premiere feature. I saw like videos are dropping and people can like wait and little lobby until they drop. Yeah, super cool. One of your videos you talk about this word Churchy anity. Okay, you remember what I'm talking about. Church. Are you sure? She handed a lot. Yeah, and not too many people use church unity. You know, they'll say like Christianese and but church unity. Can you give us some examples of what churching unity is and explain the dangers of it? Churchianity is when you combine church culture and then like the the little intricacies of church culture and you start making those Christianity. HMM, meaning Christianity, is a two thousand year old religion with multiple types of people who all color within the lines of what we will call Orthodox Christian doctrine. There's some things that most Christians hold to that are these are the essentials of our faith. What, and this is broad, I'm using very broad approaches. So if you, if you align yourself with scripture and you align yourself would like the early creeds, the apostle screeds and a seeing creeds. God. Jesus is God, salvation by grace through faith. Right. Mary was a was the Virgin, Virgin Birth of Christ. So you color within those lines, I think you're a Christian. Right. Anything that doesn't color outside those lines when you start saying Jesus is not God, okay, now that's something else where. That's not that's not Christian. So I use the word Christianity very broadly. So I think Ethiopian Orthodox Has Orthodoxy, is Christianity. They have some other books in their in their Bible, like the APOCRYPHA. I think a lot of Catholics are Christians right. So there's that a whole Christian Fast Catholic divide. Like I think if you color within and now I don't agree with everything that they you know, maybe the emphasis they put on Mary is a bit much or than Catholics believe Mary remained a virgin even after Jesus birth, which I don't. I'm not sure about that. so forgive you. Don't. Don't cancer when me Catholics, but I think so there's something it is there that I disagree. But I think like if you pull to the to the Gospel, you hold to the creed, you hold to the essentials of the faith. What's happening in America is that we then take other things and and like add stuff to that and then you create this like weird hybrid culture that isn't reflective of your original culture and you're a writ like where you come from and you create a new culture. So it's like God doesn't save you to help you go back in and redeem your culture. Then God saves you and put you in another bubble and now you're isolated from culture and now you're removed and now there's these very different rules for how you have to conduct yourself and how you have to vote and how you have to think and how you have to engage with people and who you who you're allowed to be friends with, and it's very bizarre. And it didn't. You said Christianese. It has his own language, it has his own music, it has his own even style of dress. And now, instead of God is redeeming culture through Christians, and the parts of culture that are non biblical reject and the parts of culture that are fine we accept. We now go in and we are in a whole nother culture. We've created a separate culture and I think that can get really weird and really bizarre and and yeah, I just think it gets really rare. So I think churchianity is like the epitome of that, you know, is it is the epitome of yes, just we are like I think of like one of my one of my heroes in the faith, St Patrick. And you see, with St Patrick did Saint Patrick goes to Ireland, which is predominantly not Christian. They're Pagan, full on, like ninety five percent pagan, something crazy. And he goes there and he engages them and he does everything the culture does instead, except the pagan stuff instead, except a pagan worship, except a pagan idolatree, except there. Well, but he engages them in the culture, right, and by the time he dies the vast majority of Ireland is converted and is Christian. Wow, right, and he doesn't go in there trying to build a new culture. He know there's things that are okay about your culture, but these things, I'm not doing, the pagan worship, I'm not doing these things.

These things are bad, right, and you reject a sinful parts. So I think that's the that's the part we haven't found in America yet. We just kind of combined, we hybrid everything. So there is a conservative Christian culture, there's Christian nationalism, there's all these little weird segments and it's it's very interesting because what happens is those values in the ethos of that culture, that this new hybrid culture, then become the standards which someone must live by, from the way you dressed to the way you act to the music you listen to, and that's very bizarre to me. Yeah, and I think, I mean you talk about it a lot of just like turning non essentials into essentials. Yeah, of the Church and like I think as Christians we need to figure out, like you know, and be able to draw all that line of like what is actually doctrine, like what is the Bible saying, and then what is just kind of our culture that we are creating. Yeah, but you also talked about is funny because, like Ashley, my fiance was raised Catholic and you know, I'm Protestant, and so the two of us, you know, will have our little just like jokes about that. But it is funny how sectors of the Church will believe that they are the only ones that have it right, or maybe that that their individual church is the only one that has it right, yeah, or that their translation of the Bible, although I'm looking at you, kjavs, you know, the only crowd. Yeah, they're like, if it's not the King James version, then it's not you know, the truth, and I think that. You know, I believe in the small church, see, but I'm curious, like, what your stance is on all the different types of churches and why you believe so much in attending the little C church. It's unfortunate. I don't know if God's pleased when he looks down and he sees fortyzero different Christian nominations worldwide, three hundred of them active in America. I don't off God's like, yeah, that's what I wanted. They're all confused. Yeah, like I don't know if that's if that's there. So I think to me the essentials are what's clear and scripture like what it's fairly clear. True, God created. I'm in God great now. Was it a literal six days of creation, or was it old earth, the earth that he made old, or was it millions of years in between each day, or was it some form of hybrid and intelligent design, like I don't know right, but there are people would be like six days. The Earth is six thousand years old and if you don't believe that, you're out. And I'm like really, like, really, like, that's that's that's you know. So I think it's clear God created. I think it's clear that he made man in his image. I think it's right. So I think what's clear in scripture and then what's like, we don't know, because if you go to the to the Hebrew word of that word day, it's a different word day than other parts of the Hebrew that where day could mean an extended period of time, where if you look at other parts there's a day that means like sunrise to sunset, like a like a twenty four hour time span. Right. And you just blew people's mind to say that the Bible wasn't written in English as Neversl crazy, right, crazy, like somebody I saw, I saw a meme and it said something like Genesis one, you know, something about America, and I was just like what, like how is? Yeah, genesis one one, and it says I'm about like something about a mare. I gotta find the me. I think it was on memes. For Jesus was like first God made Pangaea and then he split off America. Yes, something. I just lost my voice. God literally was like don't be saying that. Yeah, so, so I think there's a clear essentials, right. I think if you anybody that reads the gospel of John, Jesus is clearly divine. Multiple Times. He's accepting worship multiple times. Are Trying to kill him for claiming to be God. It's fairly straightforward, right, if you we know that Jesus is coming back. We know that there's a Jesus coming back. That's fairly straightforward. We know that Jesus is resurrected, bodily resurrected. It wasn't a metaphor, was an allegory, right, and as people that take that, oh what, did he literally ride? No, he literally rose. That was bodily right. That happened. He better of right. So when you start coloring outside of those lines of essentials, I would say, okay, that's not Christianity, that's something else. Right, the the scriptures being inspired, I think. I think that's one of the essentials. In regards to Peter was saying Paul's letters were authoritative. Right, and he said, even though they're hard to understand. So I think there's there's a degree that the like the like, the scriptures are inspired their authoritative. So I think those are some of the essentials. But I think if somebody has liberty and other areas, I don't think that what get other areas election, creation, you know, six day creation, this God...

...alect, double predestination, right, all of these other things, I think are non essentials. We're what's happening is we take whatever the things are for our camp and then we make those essentials and then we day. Everybody that isn't following what we're following is a heretic or their liberal. They're liberal Christians. Your liberal. If you don't believe exactly what I believe, you're a liberal Christian. And I'm like, whoa goodness, it's so. There's always going to be somebody that can say that to somebody. Right. So if I'm talking to a thousand point Calvinist, covenant, Covenantal presuppositionalist, postmillennial, everything I say is going to be liberal according to that perspective. Right and but, but I think liberal is like full on, like all the way on the other end of the spectrum egalitarian right. And so I think that's the part where you can't just park your car one place and say okay, everything else outside of that is out or it's heretical or it's off. It's like no, Christianity is such a robust history with so many different perspectives and people have been arguing over some of these things for thousands of years, like how the Church and government and Christian should function together. It's been debated for thousands of years. We're going to solve it today, like really, like it's all solved because you read the Bible and you got the perfect understanding and only you know the right answers. That, to me is just so intellectually dishonest. Right that that in a lot of it's not like these guys are scholars. It would be different if you were like a PhD scholar level study the Greek and the Hebrew the Ara make you had a robust history understanding. No, no, these are like dudes. It's like dudes on the Internet that are like yeah, I got all the answers, Bro. It's like all right, man, well, you know. And unfortunately these are the guys that ten years from now start deconstructing their faith and picking apart everything and the resurrection, literal or not, right like that. They become that because I remember them, the thousand point calvinist from twelve years ago. Are All having crisis of faiths, you know, and I'm just kind of, like I told you, guys, mm, like what are you doing? Like why are you putting all your eggs in his basket? Like this is wonky. Some of this stuff is good, some of this is off. And so now this is churchianity, right, you're you're now taking non essentials, you're making them essentials. And some of them won't overtly say you're not a Christian if you don't believe in these things. They'll just treat you. They'll be condescending to you. They'll make it seem like your faith is a little bit more shallow and you just you don't quite understand and it's very patronizing. So I think that's that's the bum apart man, and so like I have the essentials, but I'm I don't know some of these food like I was a calvinist at one point. Now not so much right, but I still like some of the doctrines of grace. I still agree with the souls. So I think that that becomes the tough part with all this stuff is is it just gets very convoluted with what's essential what's not essential. So if that is all happening, going back to just like, because I know that you believe in the Little Sea Church and I know that you have been going to the same church for a long time. So what makes you then believe so much? And you know, you go every week and you're probably whether you've you're serving now or you have served and emy words in the church. Like. So if all of that is happening in the Church and people are, you know, being divided or people are, you know, stepping up and just like believing so much in just their church, like, why do you still believe in the Little Sea Church so much? I think, like what, why would somebody after hearing that? Why would somebody be going to the Little C church? Like what are what is there? That is not that is not at their house? I think what's there is community. I think what's there is the opportunity to serve people, the opportunity to be in the local Ecclesia, that where church a lot of times in a new testament does. It's a local gathering. So there's a capital C church, which is kind of what you're alluding to, which I think is very big and robust, and then there's the low little sea local Ecclesia, local community church, and when you see them gathering a New Testament, they're usually gathering in these local assemblies, sometimes in the Time Square, the city squares, and I think that has I think that is still like God's heart for us right. So, despite all the issues, it's you. You should still be a part of the family. I think Tony Evans just tweeted this and he said, you know, you people don't want to go to church and they say you don't have to be saved, you don't have to go to church to be saved, and he's like, yeah, you don't have to you don't have to be safe to go to church. He's like, you also don't have to spend time with your wife to be married, but if you don't spend time with your wife after you're married, like your marriage is going to...

...suffer, your relationship is going to suffer over time. These things are going to get deteriorate and so I think in the same way yeah, I don't have to go to a local seech. I don't come have to. I get to. I get to be a part of a community, I get to pour myself into a local community. I get to be in fellowship, I get to do these things. I don't have to go on dates with my wife for her to be my wife. I get to go on dates with my wife, I get to hang out, I get to we are things like binging shows and, you know, finding shows to watch and binging them and that's Super Fun. So I think my heart is that people would be in community, people would be have opportunities, is, to utilize their spiritual gifts. People would have that opportunities just to serve and I do believe God uses churches, and the capital C church to serve people. And a lot of people like oh, bedside baptist Bro just going to roll over, find my favorite preacher and there's my church. Will Yeah, but you should still be in plugged into some type of community. I also think those communities serve a ton of practical utility. So when you're talking, well, where do you go for counsel? Where are your elders? Who's who can you ask questions to? Who's going to WHO's going to marry you? How about that? Like who you want to get married? Who's going to marry? Well, if you're not going to look h where is going to like rent a reverend, like I'm to ninety nine and I'm going to rent a reverend, some random guy I've never met. He's gonna show up in a fifty tucks and marry me. Right, like, okay, and again that I'm not on this by the way. So anyone here in this everything I said is the main thing here. Just some practical utilities, going through, getting in a community group and Bible study, having friends, right, I'm sure as you know now in your s, it gets harder and harder and harder to maintain friendships when you get older. It's tough. There's a there's a practical utility to building friendships, being around people that are different. Right, if you go to a cool cool that's a death sounds shallow. If you go to a diverse, multigenerational, multi ethnic church, there's a lot of value to being around people that are different than you. Yes, to being around people that are coming from different socioeconomic backgrounds than you and learning from people. So I think there's also a ton of practical utility that's often overlooked. And I don't think God made us to be alone. So guess there's marriage and family, but you also need friends, you also need community, you also need people that are going to ask you hard questions. Sometimes also need people that are going to point out your blind spots. That's another thing is we don't talk about enough. Like people have blind spots, man, and if it wasn't for the local C church, like I would be a train wreck of a person, if it wasn't for people gently. Hey Man, like m I want to look at this a different way. Hey Man, like you know, and I think that's from the local C church. Yeah, and one of the stats I remember you saying in one of your videos was that for every new person coming into the church, there are four people leaving the church. And, like you said, your friend or that guy out there who is talking one way today, in a couple years going to be the same guy who's deconstructing his faith. And I think a lot of people leave the church for that reason. And you talk about like traveling long, traveling light and and not letting the little things get you caught up but I also, I mean this is something for me personally, where I have a friend who has left the church now because of almost like a job scenario where it's like life has just hit this person time after time, where it's losing friends and family, like a lot of deaths back to back to back, and just like in weird unexpected ways, it is going through abuse of relationships and getting raped multiple times and having all of this trauma in their life. And you know, for a while, you know, this person was explained to me. I just said, you know what, I can use this for my story. You know this sucks, but I can use this as my testimony. But then it comes to a point where you break. I mean like I've had crap happened to me, you've had crap happened to you, but like when I hear this person's story, and I've only raised the surface on this, but it's like, and I've had multiple people like that in my life. You know, I had a friend who literally started coming to the faith. I'm getting emotional just talking about it, and you know, he started coming to church with me, he went and served with me and then, like I felt like it was finally starting to click for him and then his grandfather took his life, mm and and he like came home and found his grandfather. He was the one to find him and his grandfather was like a die hard Christian. Oh my goodness. So it's like when stuff like that happens, like okay, what do you say to somebody like that? Like how, how do you help someone like that? I...

...don't know if you've had somebody in your life like that, but like what is the message to that person? You know other I mean, because you know, when I'm texting my friend, I'm like what do you say, like how do you help them? Yeah, I don't know if you have any practical advice for anybody you know who's just kind of like sitting there and thinking, like life has hit me hard and and they have pulled away from the church because of it. Yeah, yeah, I don't think you say anything. I think you listen. I think Jesus listen. What am I gonna say? We got? I got nothing, dude, I got nothing. Like yeah, I think I think you don't say anything. I think you just listen. I think he'd be present. You Sit. What do you you know? I think practically, when someone's going through it. I don't think you say. I don't think you say do you need anything? I think you provide options. Hey, man, can I come by bring you some water? You know, if you know their favorite food place? Can I bring you by some food? Like give them things, like practical things that you can I take you here, can I do? I think you you you press in and you meet any I don't think you say anything because I think when someone's going through that degree of trauma, I don't know there's anything you say. I think you just say you let her know how I'm praying for you, you know, trying to not I don't say if you need anything. I say can I bring you by something? Can we go hang out? Can I? Can we go on a walk? Right, and I think when there's that practical need being met, this is a friend, right, like I'm not trying to like keep you in the church and like just as a Homie, like you know, and so I think, well, my friends are going through it, I try to give them very specific things I could do for them. Can I come by? Can I? Can I bring you some food? Can I do that? So I think that is what I would say. I don't think I have the answers in those moments. I think, if we're talking my ideas around that, if he starts asking, if somebody sets asking, I think that's when you you know, I would say, man, we don't have we can't control. We can control, we can control, you can control to variables that you can control. All of this is subject to when life throws tragedy at you, when life throws tragedy and setback at you, and I don't have to go further than to cross to see the ratest injustice happen. When you see Jesus on the Cross and you're like do this was like up a guy that did everything right, he literally did everything right, and yet he dies this brutal, terrible death. And if that's not in just if that's not suffering, if that's not good things, bad things, terrible things happened to a great person, a perfect person. I don't know what is right, and so I think there is going to be bad things. Are Is goold Jesus tells us that it's going to you. You are going in this world. You will experience suffering, you will experience trouble. How we process that? I go back. I have to go back to the cross. I don't have no other filters. I have to go back to the cross. And in my life I've gone through trauma as a kid. I've gone through stuff, you know, financial stuff. The the thing that helps me is understanding that and understanding that a lot of times going through that suffering develops developed me right. So I my mother broke and fell and broke her shoulder right before the pandemic like really popped off. Oh No, it's my mother has bad hips. Sheet me and her a kind of estranged for a bit and she fell because she didn't want to get her hips fixed and she was walking with her canes and she got these stupid little Chihuahua dogs and she fell and like like completely broke her entire right shoulder and it took her like a day to call me right and I remember like okay, I'm gonna go buy there and she's like I think it's dislocated. Can you look and see if you could pop it back in place? I'm like now we gotta go to the ER, like this isn't dislocated like a my mother has a really high tolerance of pain and so we go to the R and we found out it's like way worse than she thought. It's not dislocated. She was like, you just pop it in a place. They're like no, like, and they would have operated on her that night if it wasn't for the for covid hitting and if it wasn't for not having insurance. Wow. So here I am with my mom at the emergency room, right as covid everything is shutting down. I'm at the emergency room. She doesn't have insurance and I literally this is over a year ago. I literally had to like take over all of her affairs. I had to figure out her insurance, I had to figure out her disability, I had to clean her house, I had to walk her dogs every single day I was there and I remember at one point like hitting like a low, like like not a low for me. I'm fine financially, but like man like, I'm literally over here like caring for my mom in the most, you know, use your imagination, like in the most like tough ways as a son. But the but the the,...

...the flip side of all that is that she got a shoulder fix, she got her hips fix, she's slowed down on the drinking. Were reconciled and on the other side of that, there is some degree of hope that she's going to get sober and she's going to continue on this path and all of that. All of that is great, but I think what it what it did to me, is extend my own capacity, so to to weep with those who are weeping, to cry with those right its. It expands that capacity to have empathy for people, and it's through those unpleasant times that I think that happens. It's not through mountain top experiences, right, you don't really learn anything when you're winning. Who is what he learned, like, like, yeah, lights, good, nothing, not that you don't learn anything there, but when we when the year in those valleys, man, I think that's when you learn stuff, when your character gets revealed and when you get you get chiseled in, like you transforms in that suffering. And that's weird to say, like that's weird to say that in suffering there is purpose, because it seems so counterintuitive, but in my life it's always been that way. It's always been the you know, and I don't like reading the Scriptures and always seeing myself as the hero. So that's not that's not what I'm trying to do here, because a lot of people do that. They redescriptions in here like I'm David Fighting Goliath. Right, my problems are my inn of my enemies, or my problem isn't right. I don't like doing that. But the story of Joseph, when Joseph gets sold into slavery by his brothers and he goes decades without seeing them and then he finally his dreams fulfilled in his whole thing and he and he tells his brother's like it's okay, that which you meant for evil for me, God used for good. And I think when I look at the cross, that which the enemy meant for evil, and people who who at one point we're probably worshiping and following Jesus, were then sitting there scoffing and mocking him while he was on the cross, that which you meant for evil, God used for good. And a Romans hundred twenty eight, it says all things work for good for those who love God and a called according to his purposes. And so we can't control with tragedy, with tragedy life is going to throw at us, and we get sit here and we n is just personal things that's happened and there's a pastor acquaintance right now five little kids just lost his wife, you know, and all the kids under six and he're just like Gosh, like what, what is that? How do you deal? How do you process that? And it does it doesn't. It doesn't make sense. But I don't have to look much further than the cross for it not to make sense. That I don't know. You know, and I'm sure that's how the disciples felt. I'm sure to disciples, like what, we were expecting you to establish a kingdom, like you were going to overthrow Rome. I know you didn't say that, but like that's what we wanted. And then Jesus is naked, nailed to a cross, his mother's there and he's suffering asking God, why are you for saying maken me, like what? That doesn't make any sense. And so I know that Jesus can relate to my suffering because he suffered more than I ever will, and I think in that I make some sense of it. I don't I don't know how to make sense of it, but I think that that helps me make sense. I can't make sense of all of it because I don't understand all of I don't think we will understand all of it in a light of eternity, but I think that's as close as I can get. So just to say, well, that doesn't make sense. A good person dying for bad people, like at the hands of bad people. That makes zero sense to me. And but in but now that I'm born to get it starts to make more and more sense and I think when we get to heaven all of the tragedy will make more and more sense, even though it's so unpleasant in the moment. I'm not trying to minimize people suffering, but I don't, I don't, I don't always understand it. Man At that don't get it, you know. Yeah, and I think that that that's it. I mean when we get to heaven, I'm sure all of this will will we'll see the master plan behind it all. Yeah, and be like Oh, okay, but man like, right now it is tough. And one of the things you said that you do not only just like listening to the person, but praying, and I think that you know, there's a lot of Christians out there that prayer is something that they do Sunday mornings in church. Maybe sometimes prayers something you do before a meal. Maybe prayers something you do before you go to sleep. But I feel like you talk about out the power of prayer. Yeah, and you don't talk about it in a way that makes me think, oh, Brousse line his family are just sitting down before meals and praying, you know, a short little prayer and then boom, that's it. That's the only time you're talking a guy like I feel like you are praying in a big and powerful way. Like what does that mean, the power of prayer to somebody who maybe hasn't it tapped in to that type of conversation...

...with God? I think it's more subtle than that. I think it's big and powerful. On the other side of it, I think in the moment it's it's a lot of crying prayers when you're suffering, like why Lord, like what the Heck? I think there's that and I think we need a good cry prayer. Right most people don't cry enough. I think we need a good like cry prayer. I think to me, the verse that's always stuck with me as pray without ceasing, which is to me means. I think this is really means. It's to always be in a spirit of prayer. Always be communicating with God, always be. So it's not it's not like I'm doing these like Old Thou Art God who art in Heaven prayers all the time in my head. It's that I'm always communicating, right. So I'm always thinking, always praying for things, and it's more so like how can I kind of remain in that place of prayer, how can I remain aligned with the Holy Spirit which lives in me? How can I remain in that throughout my day and not just in these like isolated moments of like now we're going to sit down a pray, right, and we're going to pray at Church. Prayer journals really helped writing down my prayers and you'd be surprised if you just write down your prayers and look back at them in a month. Write down your prayers, look back at them in six months. A lot of stuff gets answered, a lot of stuff gets worked out, man, and it's really, really, really really interesting. But we always forget. That's the thing about life and humans. We forget way more than we remember. So, you see, all throughout the Old Testament, gods like I am the God of Abraham, I am the guy that said you out of Egypt. I am the guy that this is like. Look, like, remember me, like, if I did this for you, I'm going to get you through this, and that's how always look at it. If, like if God can, can get me from where I was to where I'm at. God, I mean, he can literally do the impossible. He could do anything. Yes, so, writing down prayers, remembering silly things like even put posting photos on instagram and going back and looking at them, even having photos in your camera role even, you know, videos, right, going back and remembering where I was at the last time we went to Disneyland and I was in a completely different spot, you know, I was in a darker spot, and now it's this trip is way different and I'll probably look back at this trip and be like, oh my gosh, all these worries I had, now God really delivered, like he really got me through this stuff, you know. So we're like, yeah, I'm pretty sure, like I'll look back at this moment and to fear around going to Florida and covid rates and my own like man, I want to get us into a house, I want to write, I want to all these different things. I probably look back at this for five years from now and be like man like. God was really faithful and it all kind of worked out. All we work together for good. Yeah, except for he didn't work out Lululemon for you the other night. All, I think I'm gonna go back. Yeah, yeah, I think I'M gonna go back to the Lou that okay. So the other night I was thinking Lululemon was an Mlm big, but I was thinking of Lulu, Lulu row, which is an MLM, and I was confusing it with that. And so when we you're like, I'm looking for Lulu Limon. I was like it was Russ I'm about to get us into some pyramids. came tonight. That was the real agenda for coming here. Yeah, this is like, Oh, guys, I got this thing. He's like, Oh, you think I'm coming on your podcast? I'm about to get Jah boys. I really need you guys to sell a whole life insurance policies with me. Oh my God, the commissions are great if you get people to sign up underneath you. Well, the the other night, though, speaking of being down at Disney Springs, we're sitting there at dinner, which we took you to. What I would say is one of the best restaurant basing. Yeah, the boat house phenomenal, amazing. Yeah, higher all highly recommend the boat house to anybody come to Disney Springs. But we're sitting there and it's me, you and James, and I realize, like have you ever been in like a room or a conversation where you realize that you're the dumbest person there all the time? Like all that time, like I was so humbled to be sitting there and I'm just listening to your guys conversation and I'm just eating away my trufle fries and my crab cake. Said, and you guys are saying these words that are just like flying over my head. But it was good for me, you know, and even this podcast is good for me because I get to sit across from guys like you and I'm it's like a free education for me over here. But one of the things you talked about, which is a really popular podcast right now in the Christian world, called rise and fall of Mars Hill, and I know that you kind of had a take on it. Like I said, I was kind of oblivious to what was going on, but it looked like James was reacting to what you were saying, and so I was like, oh, this is good stuff, better type this up and yeah, and talk to him about it. So can you share your take on it? And I'm also going to just stop talking now because, yeah, everybody's like, he's an idiot. I think you're not an idiot, first of all. Well, thank you. I think I think we view the world in good guys and bad guys, heroes, villains,...

...victims, guides and everything. We need a category for everyone. This person's the hero, this person's the villain, this person's the guy to the hero, this person is the victim that needs to be rescued. And I don't think life is that clean. I don't think anything is that linear. I think of my life. I've been all the above. I think I was a victim as a child, I think I've been a villain, I think I've been a hero to some and I think I'm a guide for other people. Right, and we want the story to be linear. That is good storytelling. Every every story has that hero who's trying to find himself on this journey to save the victim and the gut. The guide is helping the hero to figure himself out. The hero has this moment, he defeats the villain, the villain phades away the hero right, it's very linear. HMM, I don't think that's life. I don't think that's my life, I don't think that's anybody's life. I think we've all been on the spectrum and so I think when I listen to that podcast, I think we really do ourselves a disservice by trying to position people into those specific boxes. All of us have blind spots, all of us make mistakes and I think when you see these phenomenons like the mega church, when you see these phenomenons like pans social activities, which is what I try to stay away from, pen socials, when people just watch your favorite influencers live, and I'm like no, you're going to call into a zoom call and I'm going to get to know you and if I see you in a street, we're going to go coffee, like we're not going to do this weird like cult of personality, rous slam thing, right, like I'm I'm not a fan of that. I Want I want to actually meet people, and I get I get it. It's not scalable. I understand that, but I want to create some degree of normalcy with my my platform. Whole another point. But I say all that to say that when I listen to that, I think we've created an environment and we've created a culture for people to plant churches at twenty six years old, who are highly gifted communicators, very entrepreneurial, amazing brilliant speakers, are able to retain information in communicate it in a way that makes sense. We've created a culture and christened them because of maybe the idolatry in our own hearts. Were we elevate guys like that, like Driscool, not just just just one, one of hundreds of guys, and we promote them and then get mad at them when they fail. The baby talked about him earlier. We promoted a rapper who, in Selfdefense, shot quite a few people and it's very massogynistic and as a history of violence. We've promoted them and then he said the wrong thing about the Lgbtq community, and then cancel them. That's what we do. We promote people to the position of kings because there's that idolatry in our heart. We don't we we would like the children of Israel wanting a king and God's like bad idea. Now we really want to king, want to be like the other nations. Okay, and then they get solved, right hey. And so I think, I think what the rise and fall of Mars Hill is. It's a mirror. Man. That's like you can't Fillin Eze one person and be like he's a bad guy, rial bro at twenty six at I'm so happy I wasn't successful at twenty six. This dude plants at a Mega Church at twenty six years old and he is incredibly talented, incredibly gifted and I've met him before. He's super humble. When I met him, great, like genuine guy, sat there talk with me for hours, super cool guy. Post Mars Hill and I think it's a mirror. I think the rise and fall in Mars Hill isn't mirror and I think we need to look at that mirror say why is it? What is it in our hearts that we keep wanting these these guys to be these celebrities? And I think it's good because I think there's also people that aren't planting churches at freaking twenty seven or twenty six years old. And I went through a similar thing with with with the pastor at the church I'm still at. The head pastor step down. He planted a church like twenty eight, very gifted communicator, fairy, charismatic, Entrepreneurial Church blows up. He makes some poor financial decisions and is forced to step down. Right. So I've gone through and thankfully I wasn't on staff at the Churston but that was a messy and almost ended. Our Church didn't, thankfully. It's a miracle that we made it through all that. Financially irresponsible, making some poor decisions, domineering leadership style like am, my opinion, a lot worse than what I heard on that podcast. And but that's that's that with the wickedness in our own heart, right, and then that the person's just like, Oh,...

...yeah, I'll go with it. I guess this is working. I'm good at this. Oh, you know, and anything. They also believe that God called them to help people, and that's not to say they shouldn't be accountability. There should. I just I just don't know how to navigate all that. I think that was a I think that episode two was the best when they talked about the history and the founders myth and how mega churches came to be and how, prior to I think one thousand nine hundred and seventy, there was like maybe a dozen mega churches, and afterwards as like thousands of mega churches because of the people moving back into the suburbs. People move back into the suburbs, church explode and then, like now, you see people moving back into the cities, into S, and then that's how Mars Hill explode. I think so many of these things are like changing demographics and the explosion of Youtube, which is really how he kind of got his platform. Marcel was early on Youtube. I didn't think episode five was fair at all. I think episode five was they made them out to be this like they kept using the word pornographic. Mars Hill was pornographic, and I was like, dude, I went through those series. I went through peasant princess verse by Verse May and my wife did. I went through this and never did I walk away with any of that stuff thinking, woman, get on your knees and give me head whenever I demand it, like what you know? If anything, it was love your wife and so she's lovely, cultivate a marriage where intimacy is flourishing and thriving, and so I think episode five was a bit disingenuous on their part. I don't think that was fair, because I don't that's not what I walked away with, like I genuinely walked away loving my wife better and even in the whole, like you know, Song Solomon, this is Christians, Christian dancing, a woman dancing for a husband. This is the biblical mandate from dancing. This the biblical mandate for oral sex. Right, and that he did say mandate. He said something. I don't knowmber what the word he was. President, is the president for Biblically, but it was. But, but it was like build your marriage so that it can get to a place where your wife feels comfortable some day dancing for you with the lights on, not you need to do this for me, woman, right like that. That wasn't the application points of any of those messages from when I went through him, and neither was it for my wife. So I shoot, I wish my wife would strip for me every night, right like but that's not that. That's the how those messages were applied. Like that's not what it was. So I think that was a bit misrepresentative of what the actual and it's also tough to to slice through, like where's he joking and being and like inflating and being hyperbolic, and when is he teaching application points? I think that's also gets a little lost in context because, yes, you hear stuff back in Hindsighting, you're like, oh my gosh, I couldn't believe he said that. It's like yeah, but you just did a whole episode on how he got his communication style from watching Comedians, you know, like there's that's intentionally some humor and there intentionally. So, yeah, I don't know. So that I would say that. And it's not to say like there's no lines or whatever. It's just say, Hey, I don't follow guys in their early s who are megachurch pastors. Like don't fought like I'm. I'm so, so grateful that I did not become successful until my mid S, and even still I'm like, Lord, this is some scary stuff that I have this much influence. You know, let me point to other people. Got You guys like go watch Alan Part. He's in his fortis. You guys like me, check out rhythm church. My Buddy Jeff is in his S. like I'm always pointing to other people because it's a lot of you know, having that much influence at that age. You know, even in my mid s I'm like, man, this is this is some scary stuff and that's unfortunately a church as that it promotes people who are charismatic and promotes people who are certain. There's a lot of certainty in what he was saying and that it comes across as very reassuring and it's it doesn't always flesh out well. It's so I think I think that whole thing is a reflection on us man honestly and again, that doesn't mean he needs any be held accountable and whatever those parameters are. Yeah, all that, I think, and I think he's worked through a lot of stuff, but I think I just I don't think that stuff, I don't think that'stuff, was very I don't think all. I think episode two was really good. The Lonnie Frisbee stuff was crazy. I don't think. I think episode five I was the most disappointed and I was like you guys are reaching for straws, like you're just saying stuff and it sounds like this is what it was, and maybe it was. For the people there, maybe the woman there felt like they have to give their husband's oral sex every other night and did stripped for them. Maybe that's a thing. That is not how me or any of my friends walked away with. Having read the books my fred real marriage. She went and took a picture with them. I was like, Hey, what do you you go stripped for me, like you read it, smart dress. Go. This is what he said. Righty, that still hasn't happened. So again, like, I think, I think there was a little bit of reaching on episode Fi. Episode two was the best one. I think it's really well put together, because really real put together, and it also brings at the point of like, why are we hashing this now, like what's the what's is Darren Agenda here? What's the point here? It's a fascinating story, but it's one of hundreds of stories. It's not a that's not a unique story. That's a very common story, because I think we have this thing in...

...our hearts to want the guy, to want the guy to be on a platform and to let the guy who's confident and with all this certainty tell us what to do and simplify our faith and I think faith. It's just there's a lot more nuance there. Yeah, man, I was hoping that you would say I want my wife to strip for me one more time, so we could have done a full blooper real God, just you. I'm kiddy. I'm kiddy. We won't make anything of that, spicy, but I do want to jump into your marriage. Okay, now, I know that your Instagram, and you know I mean all celebrities, they want everything to look like you know, the world is pictured perfect. Their marriage is all, you know, roses and diamonds. But I know that there are struggles in every relationship. Have you and Monette had any kind of struggles that you've had to get through and your relationship? No, I've never had any struggles. All right, moving on. AM my relationship ever? Yes, of course so. Because I not because, having been a survivor of sexual assault when I was a kid, there's definitely some trauma that I brought into our marriage and it was hard for me to understand how much I am any issues I had prior to getting married, and it wasn't until in marriage that I discovered man like I'm still wrestling with a lot of porn addiction and a lot of things that are super heavy that I didn't quite like. I didn't understand how bad it wasn't so being on the other side of being married, and I bought into the myth that like, once you get married, marriage and sex in marriage is just going to solve all your problems. Totally not what happened and I wish I would have gotten help and got therapy and got counseling all that kind of stuff before getting married. I think that probably would have been very, very healthy. But I you know, you just don't know what you don't know. So in two thousand and eight when I got married, therapy was, in a something we talked about a whole lot. Sex Addiction wasn't something we talked about a whole lot. I knew porn was bad, but it was just as deep as it went. Like porn bad, less bad, but not like understanding that lust and porn are symptoms and a lot of times not the actual issue. And the issue is deeper than than just like, Oh, I just I like looking at naked girls. It's like none, no, it's it was deeper than that for me and I took that into marriage and at one point I had to confess, like this is still a struggle for me, and it was hard and but it was the first step to freedom, in liberation in that area, and it was it was a journey, but man, I'm so grateful having gone through like that tension and her like not knowing how to process it initially and now being in a much better place by the grace of God. So we're here with instagram live and all your listeners are wanting to know, like the big question that he's popping up is, how do you continue to date your wife into the marriage, especially when you have little kids, which can be hard? Yes, and there's certain things that are great about Christians and Christian culture and a lot of times it's like you need a day night, every night with your wife. You should date your wife every night, and it's like not that in every week. Every week you should have this like why everyone? Every every night will be cool too, but when you have kids, little kids, when you are broke, when you're trying to be frugal, that could be very, very difficult to do. And so we have amazing friends close by and even family that's offered. You know, hey, like if you guys want to go on a date night, like you shop two kids off and when you have a bait like are. We have a four month old zoe right in the same thing. We leave I like we don't really want to leave our babies, but ad he body like with trust a lot of y'all. That's so there's that and then there's, you know, the the physical like just leaving a baby with someone for a couple hours to go and what like have dinner in a movie. So we've done this. Is just what works for us is when we put the kids to sleep. Our favorite pastime is binging shows together. So every night say yeah, nine of it to night. We're together watching shows, kids are asleep and leave. I goes to bed around thirty. Zoe's a baby, so she's kind of in and out of sleep and we just watch shows every night. We eat dinner together every night, and it doesn't have to be this big dress up you need to go on a day and go have dinner and do this thing. We do it every night and in the process, I don't know if this happened before after we started doing this, but I discovered that they've done studies and couples who Binge Watch shows together actually feel more connected and closer together and it's like one of the most beneficial things you could do really or yeah, for your marriage is Binge Watch shows together. Wow, that kind of like shocks me because I feel like a lot of the things I hear is like you got to be physical with your scene agether, and I'm not talking...

...about in the bedroom, I'm saying like going out and, you know, doing exercises or going to events or, you know, climbing jet whatever. I know for Ashley and I we've been using the adventure book. I don't know if you've heard of that. They have one for couples, they have one for families and you can just like scratch off mystery dates. So yesterday we ended up painting portraits of each other from across. So, yeah, we're sitting like this, we're painting portraits. They looked mind, looked horrible of her. It was embarrassing. But you're painting and then you were supposed to play classical music, you're supposed to dress up nice, and then we had like little glasses of wine that we were drinking. It was really nice and we ended up liking them enough. She fixed mine and doctored enough to where we can put them on the wall. So yeah, and it's fun little dates like that and then pretty cheap. So that's kind of been our way. But I feel like going into marriage, you know, you got to continue to, like you said, date your wife, find those things that connect you. But I feel like, you know, you run into problems like the porn addiction or whatever, like those big problems, and sometimes you kind of bring on the problem, like I know you were talking about at dinner the other night, where some people bring on the problem by just having kid after kid, after kid after kid, and then that just kind of like rips their whole family apart. And I know that you had, you had an interesting take on on not just having child after child, child. Yeah, can you share that? Yeah, I mean, first of all, like I'm all for whatever people want to do in their marriage, right, right, whatever. You guys would have ten kids like respect. Like have ten kids. I think in Christian culture there is this very literal be fruitful, of multiply, leave fruitful, multiply, and I mean even to some theologies that go to the very extreme of things where they say you could only, you should have kids, pry merely to procreate, or you shouldn't use barrier methods. You should right, and I think there's is a spectrum within that. In my experience, we don't have a ton of family close by US, like we don't have, like, you know, Motherin law that lives with us that we can trust our kids with. We don't. We don't the grandparents a thirty minutes away. So we don't have a ton of people close by us. We don't have a nanny and we've been we were both for a long time right so with the the last couple of years. So I think this idea of having as many kids as you can can be good for certain people who may make a lot of money and who may be able to really take care of those kids and afford to have those kids in and not be a strain on their marriage. For us, we waited six years before we had Levi. You know, that's a long time for most people and I'm glad we did because by the time we had Levi we were at a debt. My wife was able to stay home, I was able to, you know, pursue music six months after having him full time, and because we waited, it positioned us to have more stability than had we jumped in and year one had a baby and then we waited another six years to have zoe and now we're in a completely even better place when having Zoe and I think sometimes when you have a ton of kids back to back to back to back, you can put that unnecessary pressure, that unnecessary tension on your body, on your marriage or your physical health. And yes, kids are blessing, amen, but you got to know your own capacity and your own limits. And again, this is all subjective and is different people that are going to have different standards and different you living and I think, but for us, we knew early on like, yeah, we now just want to pump out a bunch of kids just because that's the thing to do as a young Christian couple. That's not that's not who we are and and I'm so glad we didn't. I'm so glad we did and I don't know if we're going to have any more kids, to be honest with you. Like, I'm pumped with too. I think my wife is pumped with to. Maybe maybe you will adopt some kids at some point, but I think I'm think I'm good man, and every and again, every time you have kids, there's sacrifice that comes with that and there's nothing wrong with sacrifice. But at some point, like if you're having kids as a dude, just hypothetically, and it's push and it's driving you back deeper into lust. And it's not to say that it's your wife's faults, two baby's fault, but if if there's a correlation there, right I think you might want to stop and Reav or at least go get help. which, then again, if you're having a bunch of kids, can you afford therapy and counseling and treatment? If there's a there's a correlation there, and so I'm so happy we did not have a bunch of kids and I think there's a lot of pressure man, especially on young Christian couples, to just like, yeah, many kids as you can, as soon as you can, and kids are amazing, but having them when you can take care of them and pour into them and really be present with them and have the the pace of life where you see your marriage is still flourishing and thriving, and that's the cool part, man, is like this time around, me and Monette are in a...

...amazingly healthy place. With Zoe, there wasn't like that would leave. I was still hard with Levi because it was new we didn't know what we were doing. Yeah, but leave it would sooe. It's a little bit more like, all right, cool. We have a rhythm to our marriage. We have a rhythms. Who are binging shows right? We she has a rhythm as a mom nursing Levi's going to bet a reasonable time. And so I think there's that. There's that pressure on a lot of young Christian folks that just have as many and again, that comes with the cost, right, and if you could afford it, both mentally, spiritually physically, finance, like, if you could afford it, respect man, have as many as you want. I'm not there's no judgment here. Just don't believe in to me crazy because I only got to so the the listeners are now wondering what your take is on birth control. All Right, I'm gonna go there. Huh. Yeah, that's not where I was gonna go. That's where your fans want to take it. Yeah, so we initially did birth control as like a pill, HMM, and we decided not to. We decided there were some research that's suggested some things that we ethically didn't align with, and I also just wasn't a fan of it. Just wasn't a fan of kind of how it made my wife is I don't know, you know, it does things. They does things and and I I love it when she's fertile. It's fun. I like it. She's fun. So I we don't do any birth control. We just use a barrier method. We keep track of her cycle through what she keeps try I don't keep track of anything. She keeps track of her cycle through like a calendar APP thing, okay, and then on the days she's fertile, use a barrier method condoms and then we're chilling, you know, the rest of the time. And so for me it works. It's fun and I'm also would not opposed to getting a vasectomy at some point. If that it's kind of warward leaning now. Okay, yeah, yeah, I was thinking. I mean we're going to get deep with you. I feel like with your fans like they they really want to know some like what's going on in the bed room with Ruce Lan. But I was curious because I see a lot of families they have a bunch of kids and then they focus so much on the love for their children that they forget about the love for each other and why they even got married in the first place, why they even started having kids. But one thing with parenting, because I think you and I experience a different type of parenting from like a couple guys ago. We had Shama. Shama was very sheltered. He, you know, was every little thing was had to be like picked out by his parents. You probably couldn't watch Harry Potter, you know. You can't watch, I don't know, Pocohonas, whatever those things are. You know, you're watching Veggie Tales, like shout out to all the Christians that can go to magic kingdom because the word Magic's in it. Oh my God, thought about that. Yeah, yeah, but you know, I call those the bubbled Bible believers or spect those families, whereas then you have the other families. And I want to make sure that this gets corrected because I need my my mom to know, like I think everything of her like. She is an amazing mother and her parenting style was very different in the sense that she gave me a lot of freedom, and that's not to say that there was neglect and abandoned, but there was a lot of trust and she had the faith in me and gave me freedom to kind of live and do what I wanted to do as a kid. You know, I went off skateboarding with my friends on the weekends of the Skate Park and she trusted me, you know, and I think that those two different parenting styles are the are what I see the majority of parents do. It's either very strict rules, rules, rules, do it this way, and then when they grow up it's either they continue to follow down those rules and they find their own faith, not just one that has been preached to them, or they go super far the other way and they rebel hardy, whereas on the other side, like me and you, we had a lot of freedom. You know, our parents loved us. But you can either grow up and say, you know what, I'm going to be reckless, like I've got all this freedom, I could do whatever I want, and you can become that kid that turns into an adult that never really grows up and man's up, or you can realize you know what, like my parents love me and it gave me this freedom and now I'm going to use it in the best way possible. It's like, where's your stance? Where do you find yourself parenting? Are you more the bubble side? Are you more the freedom side. Well, Levi six, so he has to be bubbled. Yeah, he's bubbled. He don't. Going forward though. Going forward, I I don't. We're trying to figure out. I think it's a I think it's a best of both worlds, right. So I think there's things that he's...

...going to experience, he's going to be, things he sees, and I think my heart is, how can I preemptively articulate God's heart for these different things before someone else gets to explain these things? I'll give you an example. My parents never had a sex conversation with me ever like that. Just we just didn't talk about it right and just kind of assumed you knew what was going on. And then so then you just learned about sex in a most debaucherous, godless way, as did I. So with Levi, I mean we early on started having conversations. I believe in conversations, not a talk. So we had multiple conversations about we start would just when he was maybe like four or three, start talking about where babies come from. We start talking about the biology of GE and daddy has the sperm and Mommy has the egg and the sperm goes into Mommy and then a baby, right, and then he saw his sister being born at six. So he understands that the baby comes out of the Mommy's vagina. Right. He understands a lot of things for his age that think a lot of kids don't quite understand. So we have an we haven't talked about like the actual active intercourse and with that all entails. But so we're having a series of conversations to the capacity that he could understand and we're going to continue having those conversations and explaining God's heart and how it all works together so that there's not this like just dump of information all at once and then he's overwhelmed. And I think that's my heart is like how can I curate his heart for living God's way in a way that actually is fruitful and beneficial and it's not a hundred percent in a Bible in a bubble, and it's also not lawless and just kind of like yeah, do just go figure it out, right, because I think with God, for me, it's it's it's always been an and both there's parameters on certain things that I just didn't do because when I got saved, then as other things that I just like unfortunately had to learn through some trial and error right a lot of boundaries. Emotionally, I had to kind of make a mess of things and figure things out right and then as other things that it's kind of knew, like, okay, now that I'm a Christian, I'm not supposed to have intercourse. I'm not going to. I'm going to wait till I'm married. Right. So I think there's a there's a there's a healthy tension there that I'm excited to navigate and I know I'm not going to get it perfect and I'm not going to get a perfect so we do curate, we do homeschool. My wife is an amazing, amazing mom, amazing educator, and so we do homeschool and we do those things and I think it's An and both, not either or. And I think when it comes to the world, which is where a lot of people really start freaking out, like what about this? What about that? A lot of that like heat wear and where Disney land, magic kingdom, like he's gonna see different people, he's going to see different things and he's very shrewd and that he knows what to just mind his business. He's just those in it like there's been multiple kids that you could tell are on the spectrum, but you maybe not not tell like by it, based on how they look, but on their behavior and you can tell someone's having a meltdown there on the spectrum. We have friends that are on the spectrum. Yeah, and he just knows to just not acknowledge it and to just mind his business and not make us and not make a fuss. He might see some people from alternative lifestyles and he just minds his business. Right. He just he just knows to just mind his business sometimes and I think that that which is which is again first Corinthians chapter five. Paul just like Hey, like mind your business. You know you you're in the church, you're a Christian, you can mind your business sometimes, and I think he is already exhibiting that at an early age, which is which is helpful, because if you're a parent and you're sitting there across and your kids having a meltdown and there's a kid over there and he's not asking, you know, mean questions. Why? What's wrong with him, Daddy? Why is he this way? Right? And he just doesn't do that, man, and he's just such a he's a he's a shrewd kid very early on with that regard. Yeah, I think that fine. Finding that balance between lawlessness and legalist is what parents need to find because, you know, it the biblical like, you know, raising your kid up in in the ways of the Bible. You know, the Bible made me do it, kind of teaching, but then also like realizing that God gave us free will, like God allows us to make those mistakes, and I think that that's where like I loved, you know, and I'm just now realizing, like how good my mom was at parenting me, because she would teach me all of the the things of the Bible, you know, throughout, and so I knew about Jesus, I knew about the Bible, but then she was also not that parent that was restricting me from experiencing the world. And I think and I wonder now, like because if you don't experience things in life, then you're always wondering about it. You know, I still wonder to this day about marijuana because I've never smoked tweed and I'm thinking if I didn't go through that in high school or, you know, some in college, like would I now, as an adult, be like wondering about those things. So an amazing question has come in about how you would teach your kids about the topic of sexuality in today's culture, with...

...that kind of being the norm. That the conversation that's going on. I think again we've been talking about sexuality, but we started from biology, right. We're talking sperm, egg, Mommy, Daddy, so on and so forth. So I think it sometimes we just want to go straight for the ethical, Christian, ethical sex conversation. I mean there's a natural law of how these things also work right, and sometimes just explaining this is how babies are made, this is how you procreate, starting that conversation earlier, I think for us so far has been helpful. Having that conversation earlier has been helpful and just explaining, Hey, like, this is the Christian sex ethic, this is what it is, this is how a man and a woman come together procreate, have babies, you know, and and husband and wife. And again, as he gets older, will explain pleasure to him, will explain all the other things around sex that are oneness and coming together in that way. So I think it's the less again, not a talk, but talks. We talk about this stuff all the time in different ways. To the capacity which you can understand at six years old. Again, he's six years old. Says Right, right, Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, like I'm not having that conversation at six, you know. And I think if there's a if there's a groundwork laid out for marriage, for what the point of marriages, to point a family, is that the point of intimacy is children and how amazing all that is. I think a lot of this stuff is. You just kind of connect the dots, you know, and you figure it out and to keep it all the way a buck. My son's not in public school. There's a reason for that, right, like you know, because I think there's a difference between like hey, we should treat all people as image bears with dignity, respect and honor. We shouldn't bully anybody for we for whatever choices they've made. However, the moment you start pushing your morals on to me and saying, no, he has to learn this in school or he has this has to be this way, I think that's when that's that's then to push back to some of the fundamentalism. Right. It's like both sides whant to legislate the morality. The fundamentalist want to legislate the Bible in school and all these kind of things, and it's like, okay, I could see some value for that. I could see that vibe. And then the people that are on the far end of the spectrum, what I would say the leftist right, not liberal but leftist, like all another spectrum. No, you have to say this is the same as a heterosexual marriage, you have to say this is the same as a as a regular family. You have to say these things as him, and that's where I go. No, I don't know, I don't we're just we're just going to home school, you know, and if I was in public school I would just opt my kids out of that. But, by the way, that's a whole other conversation where you're like Darkna and doctor. No, you can opt out. You can really opt out of those conversations. You can. How am I going to navigate the LGBTQ conversation with my son? Honestly, I don't know. We haven't gotten that far yet. You know, we haven't gotten that far yet. I don't have no idea how we're gonna navigate that conversation. I think my opinion my gut what all these things is. If I can explain my heart and God's heart for what God has for and what God is, what God is about and the beauty and the way God ordered the universe, I think there's less of a need to be this is what he's against, this is what he's against, and I think we got to be clear on what isn't of God. But I think that's the tough part. Is Like we don't we just lead with what we're against and what we're not. What? What? This isn't. This is bad, this is bad. It Best I say, Hey, this is the heart of God, this is what it is right. So I'll give you an example. Very flawed metaphor. Okay, but just just follow along. Bring on. It's a very flawed metaphorm. So I'm in the fitness you know that. I like to work out like the strength train. My son, who six, knows what macronutrients are. My son knows what he needs to eat to put on muscle right. He knows protein is one of those things that he needs to eat. So I'm not here yelling at him about ice cream and sugar and how bad that stuff is. I'm telling him this is what you need to do if you say you want to go to the Olympics one day, which is, by the way, We're watching the Olympics. He was in our hotel room getting down, stepping and sprinting across the room because they said he's going to be a sprinter at the Olympics. Right, and I said that's awesome, cool. Just so you know, that's the best of the best of the best. You're going to work really hard and you're going to have to eat right and you're gonna have to do all these things. So in and telling someone how to transform their life, how to get aligned with your fitness, I think sometimes people just go you got to cut out all the junk. People don't even have a context for what junk is. There's people that are like junk bread, but I love bread. Is Good, but it's healthy for you. No, it's not. Fred makes you fat, right, yeah, that a lot of people don't know that, right. Or like I got to cut out sweet tea, right, or in a set love Sweetie's, like there's a lot of sugar and sweet tea. Right. So and me instead...

...of saying, let's cut all these things out. These things are about these things, about these things, about these things, about let me educate him on what is good for him and what's healthy for him and what's beneficial. And I think in that process he's will get to that stuff when we have to get to that stuff as his advancement goes. So if we're going, hey, I want to get healthy, okay, hey, you want to get healthy, more chicken, more green food. MMM, that higher protein, higher higher greens to eat that you're going to get healthy and then we can get into the deductive reasoning of what you can and can't have as you get further along in that process and you have more capacity to understand. If you were to say, Hey, man, I want to be subten percent body fat, it's completely different than someone that's like, dude, I just want to lose some weight. Well, lose some eat, eat some chicken and some Greens. You're going to lose some weight, be more active. For a person I was trying to get to Septempercent, we're gonna have to get into the minutia as your capacity to understand. So what I'm saying is my son's capacity once he understands more, then we're going to get have to get into the minutia of like, here are some things that we just don't do and this is why. So, if you're trying to get Septemper sent body fat, again, very flawed metaphor. so forgive it fish I get. So September somebody fat. You can't ever have pizza right, like, unless you've been to tell temper somebody F. You are a professional athlete, you live at an elite level all the time. You'd strength train and train for a living. You can have most people who want to get the substante you never having pizza. It's out of the cards for you. It's just not in the cards if you want to operate in that level as you get more capacity. Right. And so I think it's the same way with anything else. You gotta let People's capacity to understand something get into the heart of things. And it doesn't mean we don't take a stand and we don't say hey, generally speaking, pizza is really bad for you. I can probably shouldn't have a lot of it, and I think we just go we just go for that instead of saying hey, what, what is the objective? What we're trying to get to, what is the heart of what we're trying to get to all this is want to follow Jesus. Okay, here, Jesus's expectations for marriage, one man, one woman, and that means everything outside of that is in Jesus expectation for that. Right. That means hooking up. That's bad, right. That means sleeping around, that means having multiple partners, that means, you know, so many different things that are outside of God's heart. And we just go for the LGBTQ question and it's like, yeah, that's bad too, but there's all these other things that are normative in church that we look the other way towards and we don't ever address. And that's the thing that we're sexual immorality in the scriptures is porn and EA. It's a junctual term. It's like all these things, fornications bad, but don't trease bad. This is about all. By the way, I was going to cree. I'm gonna say pointed it as a juncture term just in case you figure out some other way to fit in some other sin that I have been addressed it. I'm going to create a junctual term called it porn and too sexual. Reality. Just don't just here's got's heart. Yeah, and I think that when you talk about that, like a lot of what I see here in Orlando it, I mean you see it everywhere here, is like a parent taking their little boy, and will say two years old, to the Disney store and buying him address and I'm thinking to myself, you know, is this two year old really asking the parent like Hey, can I be a princess, or is that parent really trying to like push what the parent believes in on that child? Weird, and I mean I would say I've seen it a lot. I worked in the Disney store and it's just kind of like what's popular in Orlando Right now is the Orlando Culture is like pushing you know, my child can be any gender they want. I'm like, okay, but at two, at three, like if your kids not bringing it up to you, then why are you like forcing it on your child? I think that, I think that's when you you're so openminded that your brain falls out. You just you just do dumb stuff, like I was love. Yeah, exactly. Well, it talked about dump stuff. You were speaking about the Olympics and I don't know if you heard this. I think it was a meme and it's talking about what if the Olympics was like jury duty, where random people got selected for the Olympics and then you had a month or two that we've made. It would be entertained. I'd be entertaining. I mean we would all have a chance. Then you're just like well, what am I doing? Oh, I'm doing high dive all shoot, like I got a Bun. Yeah, okay. Something that I'm curious about because I think a lot of men in this world are raised with a father figure that is either disconnected, not around, they've never met their father, or maybe he's just kind of like not the best dude. You talk about parenting and marriage in a way that makes me believe that you are you're crushing it, like you're winning the the gold medal for fathering and for being, you know, husband, and so I'm curious because your father wasn't really around in your life. So like how did you go from fatherless to being like Number One dad, dead of the year? Well, one, I don't think I'm the number one dad, or I'd here giving you the award. You can't give a gold medal for parenting. Goodness Gracious, I think. Well, me and my dad are in...

...a much better place now. He wasn't there when I was young and and we've since reconciled and were in a really cool, cool spot. We have a really cool relationship. I love that. I want I don't, I don't, I don't believe that. I don't believe that I'm the number one anything in terms of parenting. I think parenting is very difficult and very it can be very complicated to navigate those waters. I think in terms of how I've been able to to thrive or or to have some normalcy, honestly, to bring it back, like the local CE church, like I've been in a church where I've seen amazing father's, people that were fathers to me, mentors to me, that have given me an example of how to be a father. And if it wasn't for the local church, I probably wouldn't be able to navigate a lot of these waters. So I think having being fathered is how you learn to father. HMM. And if I wasn't in a local C church, I probably wouldn't have been fathered, and I don't mean in this weird like I'm your spiritual father, right, but I mean being discipled, having older men in your life, people that ask you hard questions, and I still tell this day, need to be father. I need guidance, I need people to check in on me. I need these things and I have people in my life that are older that are that for me in different ways, and I think that relationship is helped, helps me understand how to have that dynamic with my son, because it's this. It's a Stin Line of like, you're not his friend, right, but you're also not. You're not God like, you're not you're not like all authoritative to him. Right. There's this, there's his balance, right and your and and, unlike God, you make mistakes and you can be angry and sometimes say things that I said that too harshly or you know, I got to apologize to him and I I apologize to my son when I how you know what, I'm sorry, I didn't that came out wrong. Hey, I didn't mean that. Know, you're right. I wasn't listening to you when you said this and I think that requires a ton of humility, but that requires examples and I wouldn't have had those examples if it wasn't for the for my local church. HMM. Yeah, I mean that's amazing and kind of like bringing it back full circle. I think we had time for one last question, and this is something that anybody listening, whether they be just married or maybe they have kids, like. What is something practical that a couple listening in to this podcast or watching this youtube video or here on instagram live that they can either start doing or stop doing to make their marriage or make their family better? I think you can start something as simple as starting to do an activity you both enjoyed together again. For us it's net flix. Dude, we got what are you what are you watching? Watching? We watching manifest right now. So it's not crazy, but it's good. We're on season two, okay, and then my buddy allan par recommended all American. So we're going to check out all American. After that we watch blacklist. We being just like all there's a lot of episode seasons in blacklist, blacklist, law in order, Svu. So right now manifest probably going to start all American after so we've always binge chose together. We like that's our thing, you know, and and so I think finding something that you can do together where you're genuinely interested in it and you're at least in physical proximity, because a lot of times eight you could just be weird. We are like we're going to work on our marriage, let's sit down and ask us ask each other. He's ten questions about how you're doing, and it's like always feel super robotic and weird and right. But I think just proximity and finding something that you both love to do together and and for us it's also my wife just did vacation, our version of Vacation Bible school at our church, and I hoped with that. I did one of the camps for that. So, because I'm a big personality, a lot of times she's helping me with stuff, whether it's business or whatever, but serving her in that way, like this is your thing, you're super passionate about it, you're organizing the entire thing. And I'm going to do a camp with for basketball and it was like an hour long camp for the week every day. Was Super Fun. She does she does these like children's musicals, and I do sound for the the actual production for those right. So like doing something that she's into and serving her in that way, I think is has been helpful, you know, because I'm like, and then you develop a heart for it, like, man, this is super initially is like obligation. I'm dude, this is Rad, like I actually love doing this, this is Super Fun. Right. So again, when you learn to love what you do, then you get to do what you love in other areas of your marriage. Yes, and so, yeah, I love that you're like mix and beats for these kids at vbs, dude, it's fun. and teaching them basketball like these. Do these kids realize that they have rousselon dial it? Know, and that's another thing. Is like serving for those for those folks that are creatives, have personalities bit doing big stuff, music, whatever. Having an outlet to serve and you not be the guy, MMM,...

...is so healthy. I mean, even if it's just serving kids, nothing but cleaning bathrooms in your church, stacking chairs, doing something where you're not the guy, I think it's very healthy for people's ego who are emerging and exploding and all. Like I wish every Christian rapper was a part of a church plant where they had to pull up every week and set up the chairs and set up the sound and really serve, you know, serve the kids. I think it's very therapeutic. Yeah, call it vessel of hiphop. Hello. That well, that's all the time we have today. Where can our listeners and viewers find you? Find your music, find your youtube, find it all. Yes, just rousselan Kadi on all platforms. If you search roussel and most as a new google, Roussel and, I think I'll come up. But are U S La and Kadi. That's the youtube, that's the Instagram, twitter, all the above. Awesome. And you've been a part of a couple music group. So if they're looking for your like collaborative music, would they find you under if if it stars Russlan, all my spotify'll actually take them to all the collaborative projects. And then I did a record Paul Russell. I did the breaks of IT Dream Junkies, so quite a few things. They're amazing man. Well, it's been a pleasure having you here in the studio for everyone listening, and thank you. Stay Young, stay married, but definitely stay Christian. Amen. All right, y'all, we hope you loved that conversation. Here at Young, married Christian, we are on a mission to see a Gospel centered home made available for every single child in the foster care system. There are four Hundredzero kids in the foster care system and they're four hundred thousand churches in America. Y'All. The church can solve this problem. If you want to join us on this mission, text the word freedom to eight three, three, three, seven hundred, one six hundred, one hundred. And another thing you can do to help us grow the reach of this podcast is to leave a rating in apple podcast. It's super simple. Just go to the show's page, scroll down and give us a rating for this show, debot. What's a good rating? Typically just count the fingers on my hand and then I click that many stars. All right, so we're not telling you to give us a five star rating, but for the love of everything holy, it would help us tone if you went and give us a rating. I guess for that guy that has four fingers, just add one. Yes, you don't even have to leave a review, because, let's be real, that takes too long. Just go to apple podcasts and leave us a rating. Yes, but seriously, though, if you do nothing else, at least text the word freedom to eight three three three seven hundred one six, one hundred and eight. Three three thirty seven out one and six one hundred hey three. Three thirty seven out one six, one hundred and eight. Three, three, three seven out one six one hundred and.

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