@shama4realz - You're Not Getting Rich From a Pyramid Scheme w/ Shama Mrema

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

In this episode, we talk to Shama Mrema. Shama creates hilarious viral videos on Instagram like it's his job (because it kinda is). Veggie Tales Remix, Homeschool Anthem, and The Worship Song Song are just the tip of the iceberg. If you're not already following him...you should be. He's Grace's husband, Ezra and Zoey's dad, and one of the most thoughtful dudes you'll ever meet.

Find Shama on Instagram, YouTube, his podcast (Church Stories), and all over the internet here.

Welcome back to another episode ofyoung married christian, a young mare christian, were on a mission to see agospel center at home, made available for every single child in the fostercare system, and in this episode, debo talks to shama shamas had millions ofviews on youtube. He's got over eighty thousand followers on instagram. Youprobably know him from the veggietales remix, but you also probably know himfrom a lot of other hilarious, skits and videos that he's done. This was aphenomenal episode. Yeah we went through a lot. I mean all the way frominterracial relationships to m lims, with the ponzi scenes pyramid scenes,multi level, marketing all the way to woke culture. I mean you name it wetalked about it. Yes, so one of the things i thought was really fascinatingwas the thing that shama calls the game, which is really a mechanism to createreally compelling comedic stories. I think it's an improv technique, but youguys unpacked it in the episode- and i was super intrigued by speaking ofunpacking. We talked about also how to fix bullet holes with cotton, candy sograb on to your prayer, beads barbara, because we are young marry on tristan.What do you think of the shirt? This is the this is the first episode wherei've ever not worn the same shirt didn't somebodytell me i were going to wear like suiting ties. Did somebody thatsomebody text me that wait, someone told you we were wearing sun tis, andso you were like yeah and i was like was like oh they're wearing so in ties or there,where my on this up shirt this or make a swim swing by target. This calls for target not walmart yeah.This is, i might have to step it up so want like the prepackaged shirt tie.You know like the plastics, or i mean you can just get the t shirt su yeahyeah. So so i asked you what you thought ofthis shirt and you literally just stared at me. You chuckle and you're.Like do, i have to say, tyau it castle, fam huge white castle fan. I got thison the opening day of white castle in orlando. I waited five hours in line dedication. Man, don't don't blame me blame my child goti've got a lot of questions, but so, if not white castle, when you getout of church it's sunday morning, yeah rolling out of church get your familyand, and your wife says your choice. Where do you want to gobut you're in a rush? You got to go through a drive through? Yes, where areyou going zax bes? You don't even have to sneak now everytime zack pies yeah like so so you're you're,okay, with cheat on chick fillet yeah. I actually a more check more s. E xbesoo do check, for i tell people what i mean you just told the people, butzax bes doesn't melodically, doesn't flow off the tongue for it, for a song and also as like a person in the christian media world ifeel like zacky. Does it you mean? Maybe church is chicken yeah i mean ifyou think about anything else. Besides chick files, you might as well justsank about satan just r. That's that's our reception. Speaking of satan,you had quoted taylor swift, one time. No, i love taylor swift. I m he's swiftyactually, but you had actually quote her. This is a long time ago and one ofyour out videos as saying that pancakes don't fix bullet holes and, and ever since, listen listen tothat. I just kept thinking her well what food does ellie? That's the firstthing i want to know from shama yeah, if you're there you're the medic, whatwhat? How are you fixing these bullet hills? If you can only use food ow man,this is a cotton. Candy is like the first one, that kind of seems like aworld war. One type remedy. This is due just biting kind of like pack, it packthe wound. I would just say that o pack, the wod with the with the sugarball, you have seen raccoons that that eatcotton candy and they dip. You know you know how right cans eat food right, yesand they dip it in water and then they're like. Oh, it's dissolving whatis happening to this kitkit, so i'm imagining them filling. This wound,with cotton kandy and the bloods, making it dissolved and they're like oh,no more more and it's just dissolved and a sound track plane is my pan wheni'm goin a mambrino time, it's just like a cloud, a running around okaysticking with the food vibes. That is my last food thing for you, youcompared yourself to a yam, yes and the whole time. I listen. I was like. Whyis here yeah? Why is it- and thankfully you explained at the ends becausethey're brown on the outside and sweet on the inside yeah? So what would i be...

...like a vanilla wafer? You know my casea turn your computer ran. It is that whatyou have e na we have a winter or well. No, i asked my fiance ashley. Isaid you know. This is one of the questions i'm asking and i was justcurious like what would you call me hetty and she's, like you're like achurch way for you're white and your hold, and then i started thinking of your hotwafers? Yes, yes, yes, my my bit are we is this going to air either way? I don't think i'm going tomake it. I had a idea for a parody called hot communion. It's like hotwings, but it's hot questions and an even hotter wafers. I pitched it tosome friends- and i was like hey is i mean- is the spicy body of christblasphemy? This is christ, that's spicy. This is this is going to be one ofthose bits that he, the pitch, is going to be funnierthan the video like the videos goin to fall flat, but be telling people aboutit like this hilarious that way for as hot as hell, but it tastes heavenlyyeah yeah, i mean there's so many things that you can do with. That isjust being a guest, and i just putting like all right now we're going to moveon to the to the nazarine, sauce and o. This is going to move on to the second,the epistle to corinthians, which is just just full of paul like intensity.Oh, my goodness, that's going to be good! I feel like a lot of your skids, like iwatch them on instagram, i'm crying laughing, i'm laughing out loud pe, i'min public people are stareing two of the funniest things i think you've everdone, church aerobic and church hop whichboth have a similar vive. So apparently i like jazzer size, exercise comedy i didn'trealize that was my thing yeah, but it also made me think, is having a healthylifestyle like a high priority for you, theoretically like on paper. I do likei asked for lacroy today. That's not what i want, but i know this was goodfor me. I'm a big mountain do fan. When i started college left, my parentshouse, i drank like maybe six to eight mountain dews a day straight from thecan it's a miracle that any of my innards still work. I've never calledhim my innards until today, but yeah. I want to get healthy healthier, so i mean. Are youexercising at all? Are you doing anything physical or is it literallyjust filming those two things was your exercise, part of life. So you want toknow what funny is? No. I used to go to jim pre sword, but precor yeah yeah the fore. You went tochurch before before church yeah back this was this is back. When i was justa heat, then i would just work out all the time. So it's funny as we wrotechurch aerobic me and my friend pd, we wrote and we wrote all these differentdances and then we got to set that hen were like. Are i'm gonna, wear jeansand you're going to wear that nern? Were these jackets and then, of course,for sound, we're like all right, let's kill the ace and then we had to startdoing them doing like the moves- and i remember like sweating, i'm like dyingand then the director be like hey like all right. Let's do that again, i'mlike now. This is actually like. This is actually like work, i'm sorry! Whenwe wrote it, we thought it would just be funny, but now we actually have towork out in front of a camera for like the five of you behind the camera, andwe are dying over here. So this were of those like theoretically were like yeheck yeah: let's do it, that's gonna be hilarious and then practically we'relike all right is that are we done and we just collapsed, i mean i honestly think that you couldmake a whole career out of just doing funny. Exercise videos, because i couldget my exercise in. I could get my laugh in laughing and exercising i'dhave a six pack yeah and- and i mean it's like double the time and yourspirit, man too, that's that's the most important part, what your yourspiritual, your soul, and also feeds your soul to, because we're also in youknow, kind of tucking in little bible, verses and little puns here and therethat's true for your spirit, so you're feeding it all yep. Now you talkedabout pd, but what about the star of the show, which was chris chris freeland, shut out to chris i'veknown him for a long time when we were so obviously were craftingstuff you're crafting the characters and then for that one we're like allright, p d, so shama is like the expert pet is like the new guy and then youknow if you've ever watched like tibo videos, all those videos were like orwe need somebody in the back who's. Just they just don't get it because they're going to people they'regoing to be people who watch it, who also don't get it so that was, we gavechris that opportunity and he loved it and i'm sure he did because he didn'thave to do too much, but it was also hilarious, so we'd be like hey now it'stime for john the baptist and i had like baptized pd over and over, andthen chris would just like with his hands on his chest, pretend to baptizehimself and the best is the...

...resurrection where you're like. Ifyou're new wait three days before doing this exercise, i sit up so so he's justlaying there. I was like that that is comedy goal.Now i see chris popping up so ped and chris popping up in a lot of yourvideos. Also, you have like you know a couple other people that are regulars.You have this crew and it almost has this adam sandler grown ups kind ofvibe yeah, where it's like. Not only is he getting to hang out with all his friends but he'salso like getting paid to do it. Yeah, you know how did your squad form so unintentionally, so i met pet, myfriend tony who's, behind the camera on a lot of videos and in a few we met ata church that i used to go to. We all went to i volunteered in the youthministry and they were in the youth ministry, so they were like ten oreleven when i met them- and i remember just thinking- oh, they were they'rehome schooled. I was home schooled now, i'm in bible college and i work for iwork at this church and we just kind of hit it off and so from then i startedmaking youtube videos and then gradually we would. I would ask somepeople to be in the videos and then hey hold a camera or hey do this, and now iwas a good actor. They weren't good behind the camera. None of us knew whatwe were doing. The writing wasn't that wasn't that good either, but we had aton of fun. So as time kind of went on, i worked for a production company ingreenville, and i learned the ins and outs of production and writing andproducing and editing and how to do this well and so. Finally, i just icouldn't think of anybody else to call, except for the people who i kind ofknew like so i'd call to and be like hey. You know, come help me out behindthe camera, and can you pick up chick file in starbucks on the way, and canyou do this, and can you do that and then p d and i who we would we didstand up comedy together? So then we re, like oh ye, listen! Well, let's writesomething here: let's write a sketch about this and somebody would have anidea and we'd kind of build off of that and and so we'd the sketches we'd write,bigger sketches and the music videos got bigger and then we would just kindof see friends of friends like hey. Do you know anybody who could play thisrole and we did a sketch called breakup press conference, which is about achristian like almost like a high school couple that they break up andthey call all their friends and family and oppress conference and they have totell them, and then the people in the audience asked questions, and so we meta lot of people from that we were like hey. We need to go to play opposite ofpd, like pet's ex girlfriend in this sketch and then somebody's like hey.You should call my you should call abbey and and we're like great abbey,and so she came in and because we've been doing sketches and good qualitycontent for a while people kind of bring their a game when they come tostuff for us and it's exciting and people now ask likepeople be like. Please put me in something and we're like that's reallynot how it goes like. You know we're all just trying to fit we're trying tofit roles and also when you ask me to put you in something, i'm busy tryingto put me in something. Do you understand? I'm married and i've gottwo kids every time i can put me in something: that's a wind, so i'm notjust i'm not at home. You know pacing the floor, like man. How can i put myfriend and now like i'm we're trying to figure it out and if somebody fits, youknow it's like a puzzle. If somebody fits in the puzzle p, you know, so is agreat puzzle piece and we like we have to have that person and you know we'llwait and move dates around to have them yeah, and i love it too, because it'ssuch a rare thing to see, because, typically i feel like you get into thewhatever world you're trying to do music comedy. You know tv, filmwhatever, and then you start meeting other people that are also in thatindustry and you become friends. You know you start seeing the clubs likeandy mania and le cray like coming together. You know like the one undas click butlike for you guys. You literally were like now we're starting together andwe're going into like start em, you know as a squad yeah, but do you think that there ll ever becomea time where you're like okay shama is blowing up the rest of the crew? Not somuch? And then you have this decision of. Do i leave them or do i take them with us,like you know how sandler did yeah i mean at this point. I can't imaginegoing forward without bringing people that i've worked with on and literallyan i've been on phone calls. You know i've taken some calls and people likehey. We want to do this this, and this and and i'm like okay great, you know,i want pd. I have my friend who's directed everything i've done, robert,like. I want him on board two and and a couple of scenarios that has nothappened, but i make sure to bring up their names each and every time,because, ultimately you know production is this, you know it's a team, it is,it is fun. There are long days you know, so i couldn't imagine spending those longdays with people that i don't know you know, and people who i haven't workedwith already, because you know it is like this element of. Like you knowit's a it's like camp right. It's like you go to camp. You meet a peep, somepeople, you know the first day you know like. Oh, we got to go to lunch andwhere were you at at breakfast and then hey we're going to the pool here we'regoing to the we're going hiking or...

...something and so, and so you knowthat's what film production is has been and we really enjoy. I really enjoyjust working with everybody like the. What we make is that's almost like an after thought.More than anything i tell people hey come, you know we're working onsomething we want you to be in it or behind the camera on it, but yeah we're going to have a blast,and during that time we're also just goingto hapen to put some stuff on some on some cards and cameras, and i'm goingto edit all all that stuff together, but in the meantime, we're going to eatwe're going to hang out we're going to laugh, we're going to cut up and thenwe're going to work like a very small portion of that yeah and you guys areputting out phenomenal content and in it almost seems like it's coming outdaily. I know that you said at dinner the other night we l it is weekly, butso i mean we're like man shamas like it's just like every single day. Wefeel like we're getting new stuff and it's constantly quality. It's not justquantity you're, putting a good stuff. So what's the process that you guys useto keep it quality yeah? So we write we observe is say weobserve a lot. We text each other. A lot, so it's just that the you know just thecomedy the bit joke writing mean creating brain never turns off. So soyou know, if i'm at a church, if i'm visiting a church out of town with myfamily or something i can't stop thinking that by my father in law, shotout to mark todd. He worked in ministry for a long time, but he also worked aslike a fire fighter and a magician and sold enchains and then also got hisdoctorate in theology. So hearing stories about him in ministry inchurches that he's worked for in the midwest and in south carolina as well.All that stuff is just really like wow and then tell me about this character,and he, my father in law, actually gave me an idea for a character where it's a.He said he had a pastor who he worked at p worth at a church in the pastor,went on like a fifteen minute tangent about, but god you know and don't i gothe butts, and i remember he was talking about that. He told me thatstory o. You know multiple times in the course of like two years after you know,i was dating grace my wife, his daughter, anna and finally, i was likehe. I think i think can i make a video out of that and he was like yeah yeah.It's done really well and people, i think, are crazy. But people are likeman, that's you talking about, but god man, i've seen that before that'sawesome. So so it's finding that you know that that i can. I can call like the string ofrelatable y on, like on like a fabric on like a shirt, and then you pull itand all of a sudden, like everything, starts t e, like an rap when you like,oh there, it is you know, but a lot of times. You know with all the contentthat we put out, we're just tugging different strings and then sometimes wecompletely destroy the shirt which, in this analogy, is what we want. I don'tknow why but yeah and you called it the other night, the game yeah, the game,like you guys, have this thing called the game, and that was the first time.I never heard that i've never done improv classes. Can you tell us aboutand like elaborate on, what is the game? I give us the you know if i'm taking the hundred andone class yeah like for an idiot dumb it down for us what is the game so thegame that is a that is an improv term. I took improv in greenville, southcarolina with a company called alchemy improve, and i learned so much fromthere, but the game is essentially like what the scene is about so improve. Ifyou watch now, if you've been to a local, improper town, if you haven't, istrongly recommend going, but the game is the scene right. Yousee it even in movies. We're talking about adam sailor movies, so the thescene is a a guy and a girl who used to date thirty years ago at dinner rightso you have the setting right, apple bees or whatever. Then you have therelationship which is you know, they're old exis. So then the game is like okay,what needs to happen? What needs to happen on the scene? So if you'rethinking in terms of sketch sketch or improve or even in a movie, sometimesyou're like okay, what the game is? What propels this scene forward right?So they can't just be something needs to happen. So now is the is the waiter?Is the waiter terrible or does the guy? Does the guy have a ring in his in hisback pocket because he wanted to propose, even though they haven't seeneach other? You know so then that is. That is what you know once you kind ofgive that you let the audience in on that. So then you kind of take thatwhole thing forward. So then you're like okay now is he going to proposesomething needs to happen on the end of the scene and that what makes that'swhat makes for a great sketch and i've always heard people say you knowanybody can start a sketch, but it's really hard to end one so yeah. Youonly have i in that time you've got to find the game and then you've got toelevate it. So a good sketch is elevated right. So it goes from youknow, kamp all these other sketches. They do it really well. So it startsoff with something you know elementary, like hey you and i are doing a podcast,and then i just start getting quieter, quiet and you're like he. Could youjust speak and then and then finally, i'm just muted completely and thenmaybe i just start shrinking. You know, then, all of a sudden. You know thegame there is. That is that you are interviewing somebody whoessentially just starts disappearing...

...and you start doing the podcast or youknow, that's, that's that's a that's too much. They call that takingit to space which they say in sketches. You know never take something to space,because that's that's too too much too heightened right is when you find thegame, you go. Okay, hay the next level, so we wrote a song called p d and iwrote a song called the worship song song, also co, written on it. Mason bane myproducer andrew simmons, robert rill, also co coron on it to, but the gamewas like okay. This is this: is a fake song, a fake christian band called therandom action, verb, worship, they're, making a fake christian song, and soonce we found out like okay, this is the this. Is the arena right? What isthe game now? The game is that you know their hip they're, all cool they're,young they're, good, looking and they're playing the song. That soundslike a worship song and then you know as it progresses the bridge like. Ithink the punch line is the bridge is they should just start singing jesuslike i go, i e the songs about jesus. This songs, upoud jesus. We forgot tomention geese, so that is like the thing of like: hey: worship, songs,worship, songs in general. It is like this vague. Are they singing aboutjesus or an x? This song straight up does not sing about jesus and thentowards the end of like hey, actually guess what this long is about. Jesusthe whole time, and so that is like you know. That is like the game i would sayin comedy and when, when done well man, it is like man, it's like somebody, jumping off abuilding and just taking off right when done poorly you're, watching somebodyjust like fall flat, but when done well you're watching you're like what. Howdid that and then the character? And then then the waiter and then the thingand then the guys boss and then the guy in the in the you know, mowing the lawnin the background like tripped and fell. That's all part of the game like thisuniverse. That they're sitting up is is like hey, like you know, that's the game. What was the video foryou that you feel like launched your career like when, because i know that the worship songsong is one of your newer bits? But what was the thing for you that youwere like? Oh, my gosh, that i'm going to make it so we did a song. I did asong called chick fillet, but it's sunday and that did really well reallywell hit like a million views over a week on facebook, and then it didreally well on youtube, and- and i got a couple of interviews like localinterviews, which i just thought was absurd. I was like man how: how boringis our city that they're, like hey, get that get that dude made the song aboutchick file? Who, like saying outside of a chick play? Let's get him on, they buy me chick fillet and they'dfill me eating chicle, and so everybody felt like you know you know. Maybe yougot lucky with that one and i was like you know that was like theunderstanding like everybody goes. Viral wants us like hitting the lottery,and so in my mind i was you know i was happy with him. I thought it turned outgreat, but i thought you know. I want to win the lottery twice just in terms of like having somethingelse that hits and you know i was working with my buddy brian frenchwho's, the director of photography on the majority of our projects, and hesaid he said. Oh have we got it? Have we got a showfor you, and i remember thinking like bind this genius. That's genius! That'slike a rappy like a riga like a cool veggie tails intrandi like a brian, i'mgonna, i'm gonna come back to you and then so. The next day had i had astudio session with andrew andrew simmons, my producer, who also made thechick flay song, and he makes all the songs that that that i do and so i wentand and i went and met with andrew and i went andrew i want to. I want tocreate a first fall. I went home and i rewrote i copied the lyrics from veggietales onto an apple note, and then i then i added some more stuff justfoolishly. This is like i just just playing around you know. I was like youknow, growing, that's on de school, best job vegetable, so i'm writing onthe stuff. Then i go to angono hey. I want to a remix to tugto's theme songhe's like okay, it's so he downloads the you know he downloads the originaltheme. Song takes the two, but you know tweaks it or whatever and he's likeblack bom bom like blast back and forth, i'm losing i'm jumping up and down. I'mlosing my mind. We build the instrumental. You know we wrap over ita couple times and then and then we didn't record the vocals came back notewhen we put it up online million views in the first day. You know it blowingup it's some articles everywhere. Wrappers people who i know and love andfollow you know have followed and listened to for years, are postingabout it. Phil vish for the creator of veggie tales like retweets it. It goescrazy and so that, but the thing was from the time we recorded the song, werecorded the song in january and it literally sat on on like a drop box onmy phone from january until august, because we couldn't figure out thevideo, so i would just play it for friends. You know in the car to be likehey. I got to play you this song that i'm working on and they're like reallyyou got to put that out and be like yeah. I got to work on a music videoand the reason why the musd took so long is my director who, who wrote atreatment and kind of planned it out was like hey. We got to build set, sowe got to build set t to match like original veggietales sunk- and iremember thingo like this- is absurd. Let's crean screen, let's green screenat dude and that's what took you know january february and i'm just playingit for people just send the link to people and then finally yeah yeah comejune or something we finally get it together. We put a date on the take onthe board and we're like i'm gonna, buy props we're going to we're going tobuild we're going to build, sets we're going to buy couches going to do thisyeah, and then we we turned to the studio of the production space that iworked out of. Well, that i was hired...

...at and we turned it into vegetal set offour four veggie tail sets back to back on a saturday and so for half a year,you're just sitting on this gold o yeah. You know that this is going to be. Youknow the second coming of christ. This is kind of your that. Well, you know, i just say,like your chick file rap hit, which, by the way it was that before or afterjaron myers, that was after, but he had the thing was he had released his, butours was already done to so. Ours had been done for a couple of weeks andthen he had dropped his, and i was like oh dank, but you know great minds,think alike so well i mean regards of who did it for yeah? Who did it betteryeah, because i are instead a car on fire,because i know what i ask alexa to play. Yeah place my play yours, so alexi nosbest? No i'm just kidding, i love them to so i have a confession to make,though please i have never watched veggietales. How old are you i'm thirty one? Okay,twenty nine? Okay, so i was not raised. I wasn't home schooled, i there. We said it, okay! No! No! I thought i thought that was a homeschool podcast i didn't know. No! I got to leave it's all good. I think it wasjust because i wasn't really raised in the church yeah. So maybe that's wherei missed it, but help me explain or helping to understand like the heightbehind veitel's. So what am i missing? Veggie tails was a. This was back in this back in the analog age with vhsveggie tales essentially went viral va vhs like it just it fill fisher. Put up.I read a book he's got a great but called me myself and bob it talks about.You know the rise and kind of like what ended up happing, what ended uphappening to the to the to the veggietales brand, but yeah. He madethese videos. You know about vegetables, t talking about the bible and valuesand biblical values, and all these other things and i as just took, tookthe world by storm vav like you'd. Go you've got to see this and we'd loaneach other hss, and then you go to church and you watch when then anotherone would come out- and i remember being at lifeway christian book storesand and they'd have like a big arc thing in like the middle and they wouldhave a tv in it, and we watch veggie tales in like a tv and like this ark inthe middle of the store. While my parents bought, i don't know likecommunion cups or something so yeah. It was one of those things like like. Ifyou were a christian, a christian kid in like ninety, i don't know eight tolike two thousand and something you watched veggie tails, a lot. Youwatched veggie tails, you watched mcgee and me, which was that's, that's theoriginal. What is it called? What is that? One show with hillary hilary duff?Lizzie mcguire lizzie mcguire, so it's like a it's a guy version of lizziemcguire, but christian, but he's also got like a little cartoon version. Sothere are a few things adventures in odyssy that we all kind of grew up on.The veggietales was one of those things that, like you know, they had littlesilly songs. You know they had little funny sketches and little charactersand a bund of other stuff that we all just kind of knew right, like thecheeseburger song, the hair brush sog. There are these little jingles that youjust would watch over and over and we do all just memorize. So it was prettycool that you know for those of us who were saved growing up and grew up ingreat households and parents who loved us. They would have this ta wow. Youknow i do i hear what you're saying so. You're you're trading vhs is of vesitells your ends and i'm just trading pokemon cards. I ring yes, yes, pokemony, u the devil, just all these, all these little, these little devils andyet by the grace of god. I am here here. We are amazing. Now, outside of i meanyour veggie tails rap your chick flay wrap. You do songs, you r, you dosketches you do it all. I mean you're kind of like you're amazing ateverything you do like what is the ultimate dream for shama five yearsfrom now here doc. I call myself the i like to tell people that i'm i'm likedonald glover. If he was homeschooled totaler, i shall just get beat out you.He started off. He made emacs music, he does sketches, he wrote for thirty rock.He was in thirty rock. He makes it. He has a tv show now in does movies aswell man. What is the goals you just keep on creating with my friends? That's that's the goal hopefully, and to hopefully make make aliving out of it that that's always been the goal and i think that's goingto remain the goal and and that's and that's caused myself and my wife tomake some to make some radical. You know some radical choices. Like youknow, we've put out, put put off certain things just just because my wife is super supportive and she'slike hey, like you know like what do you want to do? What do we want to doas a family and and i'm like? Well, you know we can. You know we can rent or wecan buy a house, but you know if we buy...

...a a house. This just kind of kind oflike you know, would have to work a little harder and maintain a d and dodo a bunch of other things or you know like. Let me pursue this dream, alittle more t. Let's pursue this dream, a little more of of creating and comedyand and my wife has been super supportive and my friends have two. Youknow, i think, we've made a couple of coins from from some videos and i'vejust told people like hey guys, like i'd love, to take some of this moneyand give it to you. But what, if we just put it back into put it back intoyou know what we make and make things better and not have to pay out ofpocket for stuff, and that's that's a model that i heard from a sketch groupa long time ago and everybody's just been super supportive and that's thegoal. Man, the goals to just keep on making stuff. We find just great joy increating together and- and i think the numbers are are like a by product fromthat, like might even try to sound like flip it,but we forget, like we, don't we don't? We don't really care any any more likewe really do enjoy making stuff together, and it just happens that youknow it just so happens that it's received really well in line, and it'slike shared all these different places and where people will send us a thingand then people. I know you know, like people will send my like my mother inlaw, one of my videos and my mother in law's like yeah. I know that's my sonin law. You know so stuff like that, where it's kind of come full circlewhere people outside of our you know our friend group are now sharing ourstuff and pastors and wrappers and musicians and artists have kept up withwith me and what we've been doing and tiny green bit south carolina. That is,i mean, that's awesome and if we can make more, if we can make tv and andmovies about that, when the time comes, those doors will open up and we'relooking forward to it. We're not in a rush. I i tell joking live told my wife,i'm, like you know, i'm like i don't get like go i'll. People keep ontalking about the e r work retirement. You know you had to save up and i'mlike you, don't you don't freaking know i love this. I mane it for the gat, i'min it for the love of the game i'll die poor. Do you understand i'll makechristian comedy to the death of me? That's the wrong approach. I've got twokids, they need to they, they need a place to live and they need to go tocollege. But in my mind, i'm still like an eighteen year old who's. Fightingi'm like i'm go. This is what i this is what i want to do. I don't needanything else. I'll, wear the same shirt yeah i mean because, like it's nolonger like shama is putting out videos for his family and they're all likingit and supporting it like it is bigger than you right. I mean you've got tinsof hundreds of thousands of people, millions even crazy, who are reactingwatching commenting all of this, but it seems like you are just as cool as acucumber. You know to reference vegi tails, but yeah. I think i got thatright. I don't know, there's is it larry? Is that larry yeah?That's it on a blind squirrel finds a dot. I'mjust hey is i guess i'm like the. I guessi'm like the gatekeeper for all things. Vegetals, i'm going to allow it. Youmay okano ere your on point with that reference and i'll allow it. Thank youthank you, but like how do you stay so calm andcollective? Like your attitude and your demeanor about this whole, like i meanyou know, who really cares for making money and you're talking about like ohguys, instead of getting paid for doing this? Let's just put it all back here,like is everybody working? Second jobs, yeah everybody, everybody still workstheir day job and i do too. I mean i work at work. I make corporate videosfor four living or produce direct and edit corporate videos, and i have a tonof fun. I work behind the camera on a lot of projects and i'm not you knowthey don't know like the clients. Don't know i'll fly all across the us andmake stuff, and they don't know that you know they don't know that. I'mfunny you know they don't know that i've also try like i do that to supportmy comedy habit and we've called we called the the team is called afterschool program, which was dubbed by my old boss, because everything that we dois like after school. You know that it's like, after our work in our livesand families and whatever so we get together and like this cool club, andwe like. Okay, is everybody. You know who is everybody off? You know thisfriday afternoon great we're going to make a sketch, but yeah. You know i, the the the time that's taken us tomake certain things like vegetals, like i said, like a sat, you know, sat on ona drop box folder for, for you know, six, almost like six or seven months.That stuff is really really encouraging to us, because it just means like hey,like we can't put stuff out. But if it's the right thing it doesn't matterwhen it goes out right, it doesn't matter when it goes out. It doesn'tmatter when we make it as long as we have a great idea and we can execute it. We know how to execute it really. Wellso yeah, that's it. I think i did youtube. I was a solo youtube way back when and i wasn't good and iwrote and i directed, and i edited a and i you know i did wigs and all thisother kind of crazy stuff and i enjoyed it at the time and i quit to doministry. Like i remember thinking i like i, i want to make you to videosany more. I wanted to be a youth pastor, so o. So i remember think i was donelike i don't want to make you. I can't...

...do it it's a lot of work. You know andand and i was a was come done- i truly really was done, and so i didn't cut itin ministry, like the the church that i worked at we had like you know the pastrun. I we just kept on putting heads and i was voluntarily let go and and sokind of leaving i kind of quit videos and acting to work at a church and then,when that didn't work out, i thought well, you know, and and then i got ajob at a production company and i thought well, maybe maybe i do likemaking videos and i spent like a year just learning at the production companyand that's for a cam. I would hold a camera and point it at things and shootand all these things, but i was like no, i just want to learn and so yeah like i. This is almost like a second wind forme like this, the past two thousand and seventeen till till today, creatingwith with with tony and robert andrean ped an abbe a chase and the whole teamback in greenville. This is almost like a second that's like a second life. Youknow because i've done this before and i wasn't good at it and i quit you know,and now i'm back again, so the success that i've found now it's like wow, likewow like this is this is awesome, but it's also like it's not i'm not alonelike so so yeah, that's just that's just where i'm at for it. So i'm likeyou know something does take off that's great, but if something doesn't like,you know the time that we've spent the fun that we've had. You know that'sreal and we know that the what we put out is going to be super cool too, andsomebody is going to see it down the road like you, you here in florida,watched, church, hop and a bunch of other stuff and people everywhere likei've, been at conferences and churches and, like hey, does anybody rememberthat veggietales remixes video and people just explode? I'm like that, i'mthat guy now like i didn't even know you don't look like him, but i'm thesame guy. So so yeah like it is super cool like it is a. It is an immenseblessing to be able to create, and then also to create things that people justlove to see and are watching consistently yeah. I mean it's so important to bringhumor into the world of christianity, because i feel like a lot of times. Itis very serious there's a lot of like okay. We've got to teach a lesson here.Yeah. You know you got to like walk these like certain lines and then hereyou are over here doing battle wrapping for the lord, which, like i'm watchingthis and i'm like a what is having like i have to like. Where did you get yourinspiration from that video in particular, because in my head i wentback to something i just want to know if we were on the same way like oh yeahyou're, so o super hot fia, there's like an old youtube video with this guywho did like a like a battle? Rapping sketch it in like a parking lot, ersomething you're in a parking lot as you and pet and you've got your squawson each side yeah. What was the inspiration there? Man? The inspirationis, you know, that's kind of a thing already like we. We sometimes we'llmake up something yeah, it's all just part parodies of a lot of things, butin like a christian context, but i really don't know like on thedrive here. I was driving tony tony and i, and and while i'm driving i'm justdying, i'm just i just start busting out laughing. I'm i'm like this is sofreaking funy and an ton's like what? What is it and i'm like? I just had a.I had a really funny idea and i'll tell you. I don't know when this is going togo up, but i thought you know i'm going to make a video is going to be called achristian christian artist and album mode and it is going to be be pacingaround the studio, seeing different kinds of will. You know playing theguitar and you know playing o. I think it's just me. Listen theoretically todoes it sound too good, but i think practically when i make it is going tobe awesome so yeah there are just these little nuggets of ideas that i willhave, or somebody else will have or pet will will send to me and we'll be likeokay, okay, there's something there all right and all right, let's w! What isthe game like? What is how do we? How do how do we? Where does that go? Is it?Is it a mean? Is it a sketch? Is it a song? Is it a you know? Is it a thirtysecond sketch? Is it three three minutes you know? Is this a movie? No,every time like? No, it's not a movie. I don't want to watch an hour and ahalf of that you know, but it is fining like what what container does thatparticular idea fit in and for battle rapping for the lord, we're, like heyyeah like what, if we just hype up really cheesy corny christian burnsback at each other, and then we just play it up like boom yeah. It took me back to the mtv. Showif you watched it, i know you were raised by apparently better parents,but the is the mtv show called yo mama. Didyou ever watch that i did not know? Oh my goodness, i like that battlewrapping scene. It was just like so similar to me back and i was like. Ohmy goodness. This is this is so good, so great but yeah. I don't know if youthought about doing tv, but i feel like everything you're putting out like youcould have your own tv show. We are. I don't know if that's the future forshama, hey we're trying man, we really are. Obviously you know you're in production,it's slow, you know, production is slow. You know it's a miracle that anythinggets made n. I say all the time because...

...the channels and the people and thelevels that things have to go through to be approved with the thing and thenespecially at that level. So we're figuring it out. I think. If and whenit happens, i know it's going to be really really good at more thananything. I think we can all position our or like our creativity and ourminds and our hearts. You know for that. So when it does come, you know we'relike hey we're ready and if it doesn't happen, we're like wow. That's why i,like you know we were ready for either way yeah now i've noticed that in a lot of yourvideos, whether it be wrapping or like you even did a master league class, ihad a master class yead clapping yeah yeah, and there was a little little bitof sniffing. I saw in there which a lot of people don't know this about me. Ilike started and cory draft a step team. My high school did you senior year athigh school. Really, why did you? Why are you electing that? Listen? This isno offense and i'm married to a white person. So i could say this number wow he no just kidding, but any time isee a white person with rhythm. It's just like a unicorn was music, a bigpart in your life like instrumentation, listening to music. What does that looklike for you guys? You know? What's crazy is this is actually a goodquestion that i've been asking so many people that i find in the creativeworld. Anybody like behind a camera in front of me, like just creative peoplein general and like what instrument do you play? I don't even ask him like hey:do you play it's? What is because they all played instruments because that'slike the first form of creativity, a lot of us really had so i played guitarsince, like the second grade, and that was yeah, i mean i can make music withmy just in my room. This is pre. You know before everybody had a computer,and i pat so i had like a cassette like a like a little hand held like a wcassette player and had the record function, pressed the record in theplay button and i would record little songs on cassettes so yeah that wasyeah. That was it and then you know grabbed a hold of my dad's cam corderwith the vahs or like the mind, tapes in it, and we would just make stuffaround the house so yeah when you're creative man, like you just justfinding different like hey i'm on to make a song, i make it soling about.You, know shoes and it's not. You know it's not good, but when you're whenyou're, ten or eleven, it's the you know it so fur you got a hey. You gotto rewind that your i'm rewinding it back, i'm playing it back for people but yeah yeah. It's so much fun likejust i think. Now more than ever i mean the fact that i can makesomething on my phone. I'm like wow. I just might can see this. I just shotthis on my phone. You know, there's a lot less steps than recording with thecamcorder the tape of courting it plugging the can can cord up to a tv.It then finding the channel three or whatever playing it. You know it's adifferent time, yeah as a musician yourself. What, like, i'm sure, you'remore critical of music like as a drummer, i'm very critical of yea- ihear like drummers that are just doing like house beats so as a musicianyourself. What are your thoughts of like thechristian music world? First of all, i'm not going to callmyself a musician i and that's out of respect to real musicians that i knowtrue. Well, i get somebody who plays guitar who's able to wrap. I mean you,have you got a rhythm? I got scales thanks, o man, that's all andrew simonn, my producer shut out the drew sat that the true man i enjoy. Here's the thing like i enjoy music andi enjoy is certain music. Obviously, in christian music, like youlike you're asking you know, sometimes the writing, isn'tyou know sometimes really there, but in and of itself like i've been listeningto some like the new elevation maverick city music. Album is listening to somesome bit on the right here. So good, and you know people can kind of takethat you know take that album apart in a meme or something and then like. Sowe so the feet, twelve minute, songs or whatever, but i'm like man. There issomething there's something really great there. Yeah man. Just in terms of i reallyjust like what i like just in terms of music. This is so funny. I used to listen theariana grande five or six years ago, and i remember thinking this is, and iremember telling pety about it. This was back when he was like fourteen anyouth ministry and you only listen to like mega death or you know whatever isthat a band yeah mega, oh yeah, because that's out of like a boomermaking up some band of fourteen year old will, as i do, make a doom make itmake a doom. So you listen to mega death and everytime you'd ride in my car i would just play pop music because i just reallylike pop music, you know cuts it today, pen's been to like three are on a granddate concerts he's a huge fan of like he wears merge he's got merch the boywears t shirts. So you know you know, i just i put outwhat i y a i listen to what i like to listen to, and usually it is like thesame ten songs in my car or on the alexes at my houseconsistently. So i find the ten songs that i mentally i don't. I don't putthem in a playlist i, but in my mind i...

...go i'm going to play that one and i'mgoing to play that one. I might go back to that one and i'm going to play theseother three and that i'm musically satisfied for the day or for the drive.Okay. So then real quick is just like a rapid fire question, a top fivechristian artist right now they could either be doing formulate stuff. Theycould be doing like crazy out of this world. Stuff put some on my radar. Ilove finding new music or it could just be my. You could say the same as in mytop five. That's fine! But what's trama listening to man, you know okay i'll, say i've been listening tolike i said, a lot of maverick city, music elevation, awesome! I've been listening to listen to le cra. I listened to what else i've beenlistening to. Can i take my phone out just and just seeing quick there's ayou want, leave it there. We all know now that you just listen to or realise jordan. Filles holvey is a recentlysiyato reach records. It was so good to some of him if you're not listening tohove right now go and listen to holea. It is you know, and that's that's somemusic- that people would kind of pick apart. You know i listen to and tribe,which is a collaboration between no big deal andjohn keith, then mike elv and and and no big deal just put out his new albumyeah yeah. It is doing really well so i enjoy stuff like that like there are,there are things and i also listen like o. I like country, music too, you knowso there are things in little lines and little musical tweaks that that i likeenjoy it's like a little. You know it's like a little nugget right. It's likeyou just you just find a little thing and like wow what a little like, butyou know i. I love that and then i'll play it for my producer. I'm like doesthis fit anywhere on this, but on in cannot. Can that be anywhere in one ofmy songs you know: can we do that, but different,so yeah speaking a ilka? Do you remember when, like created the i m?Second video, do you remer on those? Were i do a yeah? Okay? Do you rememberwhen you did the i m fourth yeah yeah, i did yeah okay, it like all thesemocking testimonies are like fake testimonies like okay, so more serious question. Yes,what is your actual testimony like? What's your like, what would be yourtestimony that you would share yeah to a stranger in the airport that looks atyou and i's, like? Oh, hey, i've seen a couple of your videos. Like you tell meyour story, i don't know what i don't know who that guy is well first andformas joe biden, i'd love to just now, that's more like a bill clinton,oh young man. So bill clinton said next year in the airport, we're going toplay the game here shama. This is you want to play a game, so bill clintonset next to the airport. Yeah he's. Never he classes in a saxophone. Goahead. Wait like breed already in mouth, like he's. Gonna give you backgroundmusic. Every testimony needs some saxophonebackground music, okay, so so yeah stare stayer the car. This isbill. Clinton right here, yes, tester pill is hol. The saxophone tell himyour testimony. Oh so it's kind of long, mr build you have time is force on, butle so i was born in tansit, east africa toyo sinta and condal. Marema born in tansai moved to the states with myfamily, my older brother and myself. My dad moved in ninety two about eight toeight to nine months after i was born, and then he moved here to go to collegewent to a bible. College in alabama did not know who's going to be able tobring my mom my older brother, myself to the states two years later, a churchthat was gracious enough and loving enough was like hey. Do you plan onbringing your family and he was like yeah? You know when i, when i canafford it, and i like we, want to help you bring your family. So my mom, myolder brother myself, we flew to the state two years later to be with my dad.We lived in the states that was ninety four from ninety four to two thousandand three two thousand and three. So during that time we were my parentsworked in the church. We went to a pennicote church in alabama and thenthat pastor moved to south carolina. We're like hey we're going to followyou. So i went to a pentacostal church. We went to a school to a christianschool growing up and i just did the i was in. I was doing the christian thingright. Like you know, i watch reggie tails and i watched the christian tvand listen to christian music and in two thousand and three my parentsbecame missionaries with with an organization and so first of all, like growing up myparents away sad hywel gonna, go back to anes and y were goin to plan thechurch and teans any of this. We we're from we're going to go back, we'regoing to go back aunt life in the us. I mean it got kind of kind of cut kind ofcozy. You know i mean like we're going to school wit hive on the nice twostorey house, ourthe house, we lived and they had like horses in the frontof the back yard. So we didn't, there went our horses. There are the familiesthat live next to us, so we had a lake. We would fish to super coasing. Wereally enjoyed life here and during that time, like i just grew up, youknow christian, like i i'm pretty sure. Like i got saved, i was learning toplay the guitar. You know that's what christian littlechristian boys do and then and then i was in royal rangers with which islike a christian boy scouts and i'm memorizing stuff and winning patchesfor my shoulders and my chest, my chest,...

...shirts and all those other things and iwas going to camps. But you know i was just going through the motions like iwasn't. I don't think i was truly saved. We became missionaries, moved back totanzania and we planted a church and maybe around the time when we went back,i was eleven. So obviously not a not a you know when you're eleven and you'refiguring it out and then also you just leave your friends and family andyou're living on the other side of the world in a country that you originallyfrom. But you don't speak the language. You don't know the culture andeverybody's coming up to you speaking swahili, and you don't understand iteven though you look like them. It was a very confusing time for eleven yearold me, but during that, like i just i kind of fell out like i didn't enjoythe church. I didn't enjoy the ministry, my parents were very involved with thechurch. They worked over time in the church and in i don't know, i started skipping churchi mean i was. I was not doing well, like i don't know man i just didn'tenjoy it. I was addicted to pornography, it was not good like i was. I was notgood, i didn't enjoy it, but the thing was like my parents were passing thischurch and i just had to play the part. So i played guitar on stage and i drumon stage and and and you know i i'd, swear and hang out with my friends andi never did drugs or drink, but i remember just thinking i was close toit and i was close to friends who did all that stuff, but i just rememberthinking like i don't know i mean i don't believe in this whole jesus thingi just kind of grew up in it and it was until i moved back to college. I wentto a bible college for crying out loud and i still wasn't like in it reallyand i preached you know, and i worked for use ministry and i preached- and idid all these things, but i just wasn't like that. Really it was, it was justall. I had a lot of head knowledge of it right like i just knew what to saywhen to say it. I knew i had to open up a service and they had to do the tie.You talk on sunday mornings, but you know i don't think i truly reallybelieved. I don't think i've read my bible consisting. I don't think i caredenough but yeah during like after i left ministry after i was like let goduring that time. I did a lot of a lot of like souls soul searching a lot of.I listen to great podcast. I listen to great sermons. I watched great sermons,i read great books and- and i think that's when i really truly got saved,that's when i really truly. I thought wow like this is real, i'm not justfollowing my parents, religion anymore. You know i really need to make a changeand i really need to believe this and learn this stuff for myself and yeah,and that was that was like the beginning. That was the beginning.Until today, like you know, i'm figuring that out, and i would say thatthe friends one, a anything that's helped me is christian friends who weremy age, you know and still are like we're, just a huge help to my spiritand to my learning and extremely thankful, for you know for people kindof saw past the hey you're, just doing the yours, doing the christian thinglike you're speaking christines or whatever churchiness, and you know youknow everything to say like how are you like, i'm good, i like? No, no, howreally? No really, how are you and you're like okay, ma, like i'm god andthe like, o? No, not like really. How are you and then, when somebody asksyou that then you're, like you know, maybe maybe i'm not good. Maybe i justknow how to say: i'm good all the time- and you know, let's you know cus peopleat bay, so so yeah, that's a that's a longer longer way to say that yeah did the christian thing growing up andthen i found it for myself were i'll, say god found me, you know, and i kindof started in the right direction- yeah that now it's awesome, because i thinkthat it is a god's name, because you do see a lot of you know: pk, pastor, kidsor or people that were raised in a church. It's like they either goradically this way or there's that moment, where god actually like comesinto your life and you're like okay. This is going to be real like this isgoin, be my faith yeah like i'm, going to choose to make this decision insteadof my parents constantly. You know like choosing it for me right. You broughtup pornography and i think that that that's something that i wasn't planningon talking about today, but is definitely a big problem for men in ourworld, but even christian men in our world i mean i even see like facebookads papa for, like as it kevin and ice yea like those different things. So howhave you been able to curb that addiction orthat that, like you know, sinful nature that we have ye in a lot of us? Youknow to go running after lust, covin and ies actually had a friend go heywhat kind of aps? What stuff do you have on your phone to help you keepfrom from not looking at stuff that you shouldn't be looking at, and i was likewell nothing. You know just nothing and he was like hey you. Should you shoulddownload download this tap? It's like you know, thirteen or fourteen bucks amonth and and add me as, like. You know your accountability partner on that yeah i mean that's been i mean that'sbeen like life changing just in terms of that, but also i mean thatconversation with my friend zack, like it wasn't a fun one. You know like it's,not a fun one. For someone to be like hey, like you know, do you have restraint? Put up, do you?Have you no guards put up you're like well, you know a no, no, not really tis just a hope. You know so, and you...

...know people have been critical about.You know apps like that, and you know you need the holy ghost in your life,but you know truly just things like that, and people really just beingintentionally kind of in your face about. You know about your walk withthe lord, and i don't know everything that you do and see and watch whennobody else is watching. Yeah yeah- and i hear sometimes people even say likeoh, but you know god's grace- is bigger yeah than my mistakes and my sin, andyou know oh this- isn't that bad but like for me, like, i see it assomething very toxic if you're ever going to want to be in a relationshipwith the woman like, i can't even imagine you knowbeing with ashley but then also like doing this stuff on the side, whetherit be you know, looking at stuff on instagram snap chet, whatever likethere's so many avenues now like. Do you think that, like what would you say to somebodylike a friend that was like? Oh no like this? Isn't that big of a deal likeyeah? It's fine man! I was listen, a great message from frompastor matt chanler today and- and he was just talking about how like littlesins kind of come up. You know they start off as like cute little puppies.You know you and when you get a cute puppy and then before you know it, youknow it's like you know, messing up your floors, chewing up your comfortersand and yeah man like there are little things that that that start off thatyou're, like oh you know whatever i don't you know, i really know i don'treally. I don't really care and then before you know like i like, is reallyreally like ruined your life and there had been certain like even just otherthings, just in general, where i've had to tell people. You know, like i don't know i'll say like i'll justsay i'll say this like like cry: crypto currency, you know people say dowhatever you want, but i remember having like a long conversation with afriend recently where i was like you know. You know i did and i you know imade a little about a little bit of money or no, and then i lost you knowsome money and and i'm not trying to say whether that's good or bad. But iremember just personally for myself. I was telling your friend i'm, like youknow, i don't i didn't like what it did to me internally, like i didn't likewhat it did to my mind and the like. Yet it's like you, guys, greed, and iremember thinking i don't like that feeling. You know i don't like thatfeeling and so for myself. You know for myself. I just knew what's wise. Whatis wise for me to do? I just said you know, maybe that's not for me it's forsome of some people. I know, and people are doing great in it, but just formyself and i think for point to that's one of those things that you know.Maybe it's not like, crypt or whatever, but like. Maybe it is not good for youright. It is not good for you, it never will be and what sounds like veryinnocent and whatever now you know, potentially you know it's going reallyreally mess you up, but a lot of times. People don't know that until until itdoes you no, you want to find out the hard way. You know you don't want tofind out the hard way well. Thank you shama for now, because of this episode, everyone'sgoing to pull out a crypto and and the whole thing's going to cross, becauseyou on young mary christian bit, coins got to come an listen. All i'm sayingis i just i didn't like what it did to me. You know, and i wish i did you knowi wish i was one of those things i could look past, but there are justcertain elements and certain things like i'll, even say the same thingabout like video games like i have a. I have an addictive personality. If i start something i probably isgoing to take me a while the links, so i've told that to my wife and every nowand then, like a game, will come out and i'll be like grace, i'm going to go to the store today andi'm gonna buy a game. I'm just going to go, i'm going to buy all the thingstoday and he's like no, you know you don't need that, and it's also like youknow it's like a joking league. I want to go. Do it and my wife is like jokinlike you know, maybe you shouldn't, but both grace and i both know like hey. Youknow like you, don't you don't need that and then i also know i don't w a t.I don't want to be. I know what that'll turn me into and then for that reason,i'm, like you know of i'm, going to refrain from it, no matter how cool orwhatever that sounds so yeah there're, just certain things that yeah yeah, just just as a christiangeneral as a as a young christian now as a youngmarried christian, now and then just kind of going forward as a creatorwhere i'm like you know what are things, what are books, what are podcasts, whatare conversations were their lunches and and coffee meet ups with peoplelike all of that stuff is building andadding to me right is building an adding to who i'm becoming. Who i wantto be what i create what i want to create like what i want to do, and then this going, i like. No, maybethat isn't it you know, and there have been a lot of things, a lot of good. Iheard somebody say recently that the the right thing at the wrong time isthe wrong thing and so yeah. There are a lot of thingswhere i'm like that's the right thing, but for right now for what i'm at youknow, and for who i want to be in where i'm going it's a long time. You know so.Therefore, it's like the it's the wrong...

...thing so well, and i that's probably abig problem in a lot of relationships is just guys being in front of screensanyways, whether it's watching sports playing video games like and for you,if you're like constantly filming and like that's your job and you're gettinghome and like you're, probably having to take in a lot of content just tohelp you yeah content. So it's like you know we got to have stuff to actuallyspoof yeah, so you're doing that. So if you're constantly taking in contentmaking content, you know you probably just want to turn your brain off andthe like veg out, yeah beggie tells reference to some like, like a a so youknow, and then it's like your grace is like. Oh, my gosh, i'm married to this,like guy who's, just like constantly in a screen, yeah not going back to thecryptocurrency, though, and talking about finances and stuff that talkabout that. Go ahead, not going to talk crypto anymore, something that i haveexperienced in a lot of church circles that i've been a part of, and you did avideo about it, like the christian entrepreneur yeah now and when i saw iwas like yes, yes, yes and you're. Thinking of like you know all thepeople you want to send us to your like. Oh, i can't say this to those people,but have you ever been pursued to join a m l m or oh whatever? You want tocall multi level marketing pyramid scene, pons, skit, whatever you want tocall it? Have you ever been pursued? Yes, yes, okay. What is too much? Yes?Okay, so you probably have a hot take on m lm. What's your take on ml, oh man,i think it. I think it ruins friends and family relationships. I i that's.That's it and people don't like to hear that. Iremember i was talking to my father in law about this and were just i justabout money like i'm really in trying to get to the bottom of like money,finances of christians and and wealth and rich, and this and not having andnot having too a lot of money and then having too much money and my father inlaw mentioned. You know that there are so many so many verses and proverbs. I think solms and proverbs about you,know people who want to get rich quick, which that is the whole. You know thatis the whole foundation of like pyramids games is getting rich. Quick.All right is doing doing that. You do the two things. Then you get threepeople to do the three things and then they find three people. You know, andit's kind of it's not it it. The the voraciousness and the tenacity thatthose people pursue- you know eve pursued me in the past, i'm like man, no, but hey like. Why? Don't you usethat fuel for something else, and i've watched so many i've listened topodcast and documentaries about about the outcome of. You know a lot of thosethings in people's lives and that's not good man. It is not good. Have you lost friends over it yeah ihave yeah, i've lost a couple of people, and now i usually am just likeblatantly. If somebody sends me a message like that i'll just go hay man,i don't know how many people you've sent this to do now. Many times you'vecopied and pace of this, but listen. You know you live in this town. You want to build great relationshipsin this town. This isn't it like you're going to lose. A lot of people aregoing to lose respect for you, and i know this is and also you can go onwebsites and just figure out how many people in a you know, involved in amulti level. Marketing company, like whatever name the company, the top thetop one percent like how much money like how many people are in that andhow much do they make right? So there's there are. The bottom of the pyramidare a lot of. There are a lot of broken hearts and then people who weren't,even in the pyramid anymore, a lot of broken hearts, a lot of a lot offailures. But that also goes back to like there's a thing called survivorship bias where you look at people who have survived or you know, made akilling on something and you look at them and you're like well. That's it!That's it! That's what i need to do, but hey you're, not looking ateverybody else. You also spent time money and energy and sacrifices anddidn't didn't get there. But you know it's cool to be like. Oh, my buddy,everybody has a buddy who has a buddy. You know what i mean. Yes, i'm aboutspecifically and crip. I have a buddy. I have a buddy who has a buddy whoretired you like, really how old were they twenty two? Really? What are theygoing to do? I just you know the it's just kind oflike a yeah yeah. Well, i mean we're all looking for that golden ticket thateasy wind, early retirement, but like sitting across from you and hearing yousay. Not only am i putting the grind into all my content, but i'm alsoworking like a job yeah on this side, and you know- and i feel like that- ihope that people hear that and they hear stop. You know kind of, likecandace paine says, like shut the shit up yeah like stop making excuses likeif you're just sitting around and you're saying. Oh i'm too tired cominghome from work- and you know this. This is this mm thing that i'm going to dothat. That's going to be the easy ticket like it's not yeah like i'vealso listened to the podcast that have like and read the redit yeah. Oh mygosh, the right at ones. I mean that's a crazy yeah. I mean the information isright. There like you, can see it, but it's one of those things that grinds mygears. So if dave ramsey ever hears...

...this instead of going after time, chairyeah, because that's my that's what my fiance does like stop attacking timeshare. No, it's fine times shires whatever,but like go after the m lambs, because it is crazy to me that they existbecause to me it seems like it's an illegal thing like it is literallyputting people in poverty, and it is sad to hear these stories of peoplethat, because they will preach to you and say, like oh you're, going to havean eight hundred thousand dollar house and you're going to be driving thenicest lamborghini and also- and these people are literally joining so thatthey can pay the rent yeah like they're. Justtrying to survive like those are the people that are getting into thisthey're in those desperate modes in a desperation season. And maybe it is awife who's. Just like oh well, my husband's working, three jobs, and- andmaybe, if i do this and sell this makeup, yeah and i'll, be able to allowhim to go down to two jobs and so they're, not jumping in it. For theriches a lot of times, it's mostly just like for little things, but thenthey're not successful and no one's, giving them the abilities or tips orhis right, and then they just slipped further and further into it. I mean youknow there is a there's one thing, my father in law who have already quoted alot today. I love my father in law, love my family. You know my wife'sfamily, you know a lot share the wastemen he he had mentioned. We weretalking about bouta about this, we're talking about crypto and finances moneyand things and whatever- and he was like you know- a lot of people, don'tthe whole. The bad thing about that is people don't want to grow into money.You know, and you know, or not knowledge like wisenut into wealthright. Nobody, nobody wants that. Nobody preaches that. A lot of peopledon't teach that it's just kind o like you, o yur you're, going to get rid.You want to get rich, you know and what's like w l, do you want to get?Why is you know? Do you want to be wise enough to handle that when it happensright- and i remember thinking- i was like wow, what a wow that is. You knowthat is the truth. It even for myself like i wanted. I wanted to have moneylike a long time ago. You know, but now i'm doing you know my wife and i weredoing a lot better, but then now i'm very thankful because i'm like well wowlike gosh. Thankfully i didn't have this way back when you know i mean,like i didn't know what i was doing back then they did take. You know itdidn't it didn't take like i didn't need to like find money. Ineeded to find, like the wisdom and the experiences and the conversations andand the failings and a listen and and the read the books and the movies andthe documentaries on the podcast to all kind of build up, my understanding ofof money and how to be wise with money and how to how to give and how to paypeople. And how to i mean, even you know, use a cpa and ask the rightquestions, and then you know everything that kind of comes with. It issomething that people just got. Oh i i. I can probably make seven figures nextyear. It's kind of well, are you going to be able to mentally process makingand it's like the curse of the lottery, so many people win the lottery justkind of like i don't know ruins their lives, and then i don't know us downhere we're like how how twenty five million dollars? Okay, surethe government takes half. But how can that ruin? My life, you know- and youknow money is just one of those weird things- man, i'm always talking about,not mon. About like i want to get rich, but i'm always just so curious aboutlike like it. It's a mysterious thing right. I have. I have a cousin intansai who her and her husband. She was a teacher. She was a high schoolteacher and then she started doing business. She is immensely wealthy intens and a immensely wealthy to so many things, own hotels and houses that sheruns out and and businesses and sells cars and car parts and some and land-and i mean crazy- and i look at somebody like i'm like wow- how how didyou? How did you know how to do that? How did you know how to do that in thethird world country, where a government worker makes what like a seventy five bucks a month or somethinglike that? How did you you know, and for that reason you know, i know it'sit's it's gone right, it is god, but then also there is just a just like thewisdom and the understanding and the wit right and just like the the i o at say, luck. What is anotherword for like luck, right or just like the chance, the chance right and thetaking chances i'll say just happen to put that person in the right place atthe right time and then from that they were able to be. You know successful,so i think the the we nobody likes the journey of it, but the journey isalmost a it's mandatory. In order to get you know to get there, you know toget there in one piece i'll say and her answer was in mls. No, no, it was notyeah a because it it grinds my ears and another thing that grinds my gears.We're just gonna call this whole segment g. What grimes deposes his heis is whate culture, and i know that youare aware of what culture, because you...

...literally had to do a song kind of likemocking it yeah white christmas and you're, like oh, no erasure, amultiracial christmas, because at first you're singing white christmas and petecomes in he's, like you know, shamo e. We need to make this more moreinclusive, inclusive and and at the end it just gets more ridiculous, moreridiculous, yeah and then finally you're just kind of like there. You gowellcut ure yeah. So what are your thoughts yeah on kind of like where the woke culture iskind of taking over man? You know i don't know, i don't know. Imade. I really like that. You know so funny as we made a song calledmultiracial christmas and and a lot of the comments were like hey. Why aren'tthe and i put some titles on it and we were like why at the sub titles inspanish, of course, is an where's, the ingers, the japanese version- and iremember thinking like that- video yeah, but it was funny, but then now that ithink about it, i'm like we should have tried to be as like. We should have hadmore more options for anybody, but man, i don't know, i really don't know. Obviously this country is like verydivided and it it's a touchy subject: it's atouchy subject, because there are some people who really feel like i'll say.Like production, there are people, i've heard peopletalk about like hey, we need more. We need more people of color in productionin the upstate, you know where i live and the thing is like they're not likea lot of they don't know about production. I delivered pizza, i didn'tknow. I didn't know that you could make money behind a camera, so then, butthere are more opportunities that some people just have kind of growing uplike i knew about. I knew about music and i knew about so many differentthings because i just i grew up in like i grew up in like around a lot of whitepeople. You know and i went to like a predominantly white school and we wentto a predominantly white church and and- and so i think it is very funny thatthere are- there are people who are more passionate about you know ois, then than i am and i feel like heyi've got. I've literally got skin in the game, but yeah man. I don'tunderstand, i don't that video that we made, i think, was very funny. Ienjoyed making it and it was almost like this kind kind of like a blanketthing, but people come out with you know, bigger bigger opinions on it, buti don't know man. I think it's sometimes. I think it's sad like i am going to say this, so i grewup around a great, really great pastor on a great community, pastor, pastor, raven stewart whopassed away here a couple a couple of weeks ago and his wife, and there mightso. The story goes like this. My dad went to a black heat move to the states,his first sunday in alabama. He went to a black church in the morning becausehe lived with some people lay we're going to go a black black church. Hewent and my dad has a thick african accent. He took like this and he talkedlike this. My dad also passed away back in two thousand and eighteen, sadly,and my dad went to a black church in the morning and he said i could notunderstand anything. I couldn't understan because he just didn't speaklike the you know, like the slang, he didn't understand it, and so in thethat afternoon he went to a white church that just happened to be pastarabian to miss jewels church. You know- and this is the church that he attendedhe kept attending sunday morning. Sunday night wednesday faithfully- andthis is the church that brought my mom and myself to the states. This is thechurch that we attended and this family practically adopted us. I called pastorabe. Like my my my grandfather, you know miss jewel my grandmother becausei was closer to them than i was my african grandparents who passed awaywhile we were here, so i knew them we spent you know they invite us to theirfamily reunions and christmas and thanksgiving and eastern holidays, andall these different things and we'd stay at their house. If our parentswere out of town. It was just like this. This really loving relationship. Now,i'm saying all that to say, like you know, and when they moved to southcarolina, we moved to south carolina, you know and and they're the reason whythey they connected this with the mission organizations that missionorganization that my family was involved in and my mom still doesmission work with this organization. So now there is this. I don't know how many other blackfamilies you know the stewards helped along the way, i'm sure plenty. Butthere is a t, a t e, the wol, the woke expectation. Now i've heard people saylike i've heard of seen comments where somebody's asked. Somebody like heylike what are you doing for black people today, you know or hey what haveyou done for you know what have you done for people of color last month orsomething like that and i think that's dangerous, because i will say the white couple past arabas jewel what they did for my family for myselfand my family in night in the early s has changed my life right. I don't knowi'm not keeping track like i'm, not counting how many other people thatthey've helped, but the people who i'm...

...having this conversation with youbecause of them and the video is getting viewed today. You know and tonyand i are here he went because of them, so it has created this domino effectthat if we, if we keep score and we figure out okay, every company needs tohire this many people or everything. You know- and i don't i don't know youknow- i think that becomes a like a very slippery slope and from me i willsay it hurts my heart to watch to watch people. I know and love whohave been. You know vital in supporting myself. My family growing up nownavigate these waters because now you know they're expected to do more andpeople are demanding more, but man i mean people who have man. There's alady who sent you shoes somethin five dollars. You know every on my birthdayi for like ten plus years, you know and this white lady i love i loved it. Ineeded that i was in college. I needed that five dollars more than ever. Youknow, i don't know many, how many other people she did that for, but it was just extremely vital and ireally really enjoyed that. So i think the i think we're a culture has gonewrong is has put this huge. There are people who are helping people, you know, and if we want to ask how and when andwhere in the terms, you know that kind of gets blurry, and i think that reallyreally, it causes a lot of casualties along the way. You know, because you know, i think everything happensfor a season and a reason, and it just so happened that the most inclusive, loving people that i know was a a white family in birminghamalabama in the early s you know, and for that reason like there have been somany people. I think about tony who i'm here with flew down with me, his family,i've known them for the past ten years and they've invited me and i've ate attheir table so many times and live on a farm, and they cook really well they'reitalians that they cook really well, and it is so funny because i went totheir house and ate there when i was single and i, when my wife and i whenwe were when grace and i were engaged, we went and ate their dinner, and nowi've taken my kids there. You know, and so there is, there are really reallygreat people who i don't think are setting out to be more inclusive andwe're setting out, and they didn't put, you know, regan goals on a board at thebeginning of the year, but they're doing it and the people who are doingit are working. You know very you know in silence and in obscurity and thepeople who are kind of making a lot of noise yea. I don't know, i don't knowwhat they are doing, but there have been so many people who, i think havebeen you know, kind of damaged with by a lot of that yeah, and i think that with what culture, the problem that ihave the most is that it it constantly almost points to like a selfishnesslike this is bothering me this is bothering me yeah. I i want this to change because of whatmatters to me, and i feel like that. You know that is not the message ofchristianity and that's not the message of unity like the message should be amore selfless like. Okay. Maybe that's not for me that contents, not for mebut yeah, maybe it's for somebody else how about i just go out and find othercontent. You know that is for me, or that does relate to me and i feel, likethe culture shift to me. Just seems like more of this like consumer. Whatcan i get from this yeah? Why is this not for me like, and they need everysingle thing to be perfectly directed to them, or else they will put thatperson on blast, because now we have social media and everyone has a voice,and now we can easily just go on and write a bad review or a comment, and ifeel like as a comedian that is doing the things that you're doing whereyou're constantly like tip toeing that line, especially in the church worldlike how do you find that balance man a lot of times? I won't even there arecertain terms and words and things that i say that i've seen and we've madejokes about that. I'm like hey, i don't even want to make. I don't even want tocome close to a lot of that, because i know it can be. It can be confusing. You know i don'twant to be misunderstood in any way. I don't want somebody to kind of see me say something or hear me kind of do.You know, make a joke that could be misconstrued in a way that somebodycould watch that and go. Oh. He means this or he's taking a jab at thesepeople, and that's just that's just where i've been at and thinking aboutall this stuff is just kind of like you know, like i've seen some people make andobviously you know covin everything that happened last year. It's beendetrimental to a lot of people. A lot of people have lost lives. A lot ofpeople have made a lot of great money.

You know from last year and some thingsthat have happened and investments, and you know sailing selling houses and all theseother things so there it has been both great and both absolutely terrible. Forso many different people and people are like. Oh, you make a joke about coved,you make a joke and i'm like a man that is so polarizing though, like you know the opinion of people about you knowwhat to wear when not to wear it. What to do what were to go? What to do? Youknow and my mom was in tangi and i was telling my mom had come to the statesfor christmas and she came for christmas and- and it was just like heylike i'm not like i love you. We want to spend time with. You come spend timewith your with your g. You know with your grandkids and she didn't. Shesadly got coved, you know and, and she had it rough for a couple of weeks, soit there is a thing. There are certain things like that. There are certainthings like politics where certain aspects of you know of christianity aswell that i'm, like you know there is something funny there, but i don'tthink the funny thing is what the p, what people are most most confusedabout and argue about the most. You know that is those aren't the kind ofjokes that i want to make. Some would say those are the jokes you do need tomake. You know i'm like. Oh, you need to pick a side w w yeah. I want. I wantevery side to watch what we make. You know. I want every side i want. I wantall the viewers like. I was telling somebody yesterday they're, like hey,want you to do this podcast. We have this idea to make us a segment that hadlike you know like a like a like a top ten wtf. That was the name of thesegment top ten church wtf and i was like hey man: can we just rename that,like it's? Not it's still going to be funny right, but can we just rename-and i don't i don't want to be- be a part of that in a way so yeah, that'sjust where i'm at me and like yeah around here we say what the heaven yeah, that the frick o. Can you blieve that out in post bythe way, i don't want anybody i don't want to, but mother crunch. Yes, no. I think that in talking about likethat selflessness- and you know- even you saying like i wouldn't be here- ifit wasn't for that family yeah or you know- maybe you wouldn't have had thatmeal in college. If it wasn't for that, lady setting you the five dollars ber,you think about that domino effect. That happens, and i think that withwhat culture, it's just they're, having the expectation or thinking that the personhas bad intentions, yeah and they're, starting with that they're, notassuming the best from the person- and i know that like for us like here atyoung mary christian, like one of the things that kind of fires me up and gets mepassionate- is that i know that from the beginning- and i mean we could becanceled at this point i mean we've said a lot of things and my career juststarted man. I'm trying to you know what culture could have arecame at us mad, but you know the thing that, for me makes me believe that this show cannever be canceled or maybe will make the will culture come at us even moreis that our mission behind this whole thing has a very selfless purpose, yeahand we are trying to get every foster child into a gospel center at home yeah,and that is one of those things that is bigger than us. That is one of thosethings that can create those domino effects like you talked about, wherethat child will have someone take them in and be able to get them to a placewhere maybe some day they are sitting across doing a podcast interview goingto universal studios, and so we are giving our listeners with every episodethe opportunity to kind of process. Is this something that god is putting outmy heart? Is this something that i'm being called to- and you know am isupposed to you- know- maybe pray about this more or look into this more thewhole foster care thing, because there's four hundred thousand yeah kidsin america in the foster care system, which is also about the same number ofchurches in america- about four hundred thousand churches in america as wellthat so it's a it's an estimated number for both. It's not exact, but i meanit's to the point where, if one family from every church in america was totake a kid in prom solve yeah like so it's a solvable problem right and webelieve that you know if the bible says it, we should probably do it yeah. Youknow i mean, and it's clearly there, and so, if you're listening to thistoday and you're thinking, you know what. Maybe this is something that iwant to look into a little bit more. You can actually text the word: freedom, f, r, a e d, o m to the number eightthree three, three, seven, zero one, six, one zero and and what that will dois you will get a response where you have three choices: pray partnerparticipate, so you can either do our...

...seven day. Prayer challenge. You canlearn how you can partner with people who are already doing this. You know whether you be p partnering,with the foster family partnering with the biological family partnering withthe church parting with an organization you know, because it's even importantto a partner with the the family that has the has lost their child. You know,maybe their child has been put into a foster situation in that family needsto know that hey they're being prayed for that they can recover that they cancome back from this and then you know participating which is, if you're like,hey, i'm ready to go, i'm ready to learn how to actually do this thing andso like when you're talking about the domino effect. That's happened for youyeah. You know, i think about like the church can do this as well right rightand another thing too, is you know a lot of times. I heard somebody say aconference once that what you do for you, kids ministry, in a church, youknow adoption fostering all those things that you don't really see the the fruits of your labor immediatelyright. But man when you do see that man o howsweet are those fruits right be because it really is like life changing. You know,i think about there's one example that i'll say there's a lady that i know whois it? Who is a language teacher? She teaches english as a second language. Ithink they call it something else right now, but she said something veryinteresting. She said you know a lot of times you want to you teach it, you canteach somebody english right, you can teach them the language, you can teacha many language, but more more than anything, they need a. They need a likea language parent right, so it really is and that's what the stewart familywas to my father and myself. Kind of growing up is hey. Not only do you needto learn the language, but you also need to you need a space to mess up.You need the space to to learn, to ask questions that you know. You probablycan't ask anybody else, but somebody to kind of take you alongside and go hey,hey, say it this way or learn this or this is important or and all all ofthose things like i mean i mean so vital, like i remember being taught,you know how to say yes or no ma'am, no, sir, you know all those things and a yeah just just extremely vital, and iwould say i'm i'm like a by product of a person, an immigrant. You know thechild of immigrants who who was raised by you, know a bigger fit like who was,you know, kind of fostered by a like a bigger family, and i mean it is reallyreally changed. My life really really changed. My life yeah, and i think that you know i heara lot of times like what bigger thing can you do or like when you think aboutlike how can i use my life in the biggest way possible?You know, i hope that woke culture wakes up and decides hey, there'sbigger stuff out there yeah an then jumping on the back of shama for notputting his spanish subtitles like are you? Are you freaking getting me like?Is that really? What is what is just like making you not be able to go onwith your life yea, because because you could literally just sitthere and think? Oh, you know what there's actually people out there whoare struggling to have a life, and that could be where i divert my energy right instead oftrying to bring these other people down these other things down, how about youbring someone in to build them up right right and that that is what we'retrying to go for here and that's a marathon yeah? It's a marathon, not asprint. No, it's not the mom of life right! It's not like i'm going to dothis and then oh boom, but i you know it is a mean it is yeah yeah, like i remember learning you knowsimple things. You know how how to build something. You know how to use ahammer out of use in all these different things. You know or elementsthat you want learn along the way, but you know i'm thankful. Now i can lookback and wow. I remember when i learn this from from that person, where ilearn this from from that person, and they were, you know selfless enough tokind of take the time with me and let me be bad at it. Yeah right, you know, i mean i meanyou're going to make mistakes like it, okay, so that you spoke about marathons,the biggest marathon that you've probably taken on in your life andyou're. Just starting is marriage with grace. So i want to jump in to that and like dating relationships like all ofthat, i call it a marathon because, like you're going to fall down a coupletimes, you're gonna get your me you're going to get pushed okay. So let's go into abuse andrelationship. Well, i laugh too hard. I'm sorry canyou cut? Can you all cut the laugh out? Would you will make you just like throwyour head back and it's just sin yea...

...yeah yeah, because you are like shockedat the thought of ever being a book? How could anybody yeah, but i want topick your mind- and please tell me you have a good story for this, because iknow that every relationship has a bad date so leading up to your engagement,leading it to your marriage. I'm sure that every date was it a gold medalwinner yeah, you have a bad date story. Are you talking about with particularlywith grace, particularly with grace yeah, nothey've all been winters yeah all the dates with grace the one bad date thatwe did have was on our was on our honeymoon but honestly, like she hadalready signed a papers like it was. You know like come on. We goin to dothat. We get do leave the flight leaves in ten days so we have to. We have tohave to ride along with me. No i'm just kidding who is just on our honey moodbut yeah i didn't dude. I was in the dating world. I was not good man, i wasnot. I didn't date until i was eighteen and in college first. Firstly right and i got dumped like got das girls out,get your ject yeah. I know me hey meet. I made veggie tails remix. Just i've been saying that so muchironically, but no yeah i got dumped like. I had tomaybe two serious relationships before i met grace and they were not yeah.They were not good, they didn't, they were not good and they ended. I was oneof those lakes where i was just kind of throwing out of the plane without aparachute. I'm like oh crap. I was enjoying the ride, but you know you know, and you knowwhen the pilot pushes you out in this in area of the pilots at the exallfriends, yes, yeah yeah, but i will say when i metwhen i met grace. I'd not dated, for maybe i say like me like two yearsbefore before i met grace. It was just one of those things where you know iwas like. I don't you know this. I didn't. I didn't have a good time. Imean have a good time in that world and obviously the people i didn't did theydidn't have a good time either, hence being done yeah and being dunged yeah,and so, when i met grace i was i was twenty six and she was yeah she's aboutshe was get again. It turned twenty six, maybe a couple months later, and itjust it just it just all kind of clicked it all just kind of worked. I think i was i was done striving youknow, i was done, you know kind of running and and she was done- you knowstriving and all these things and and we went out my friend mason mason vane,who was also the best man at my wedding, and he also plays he's one of theguitar players in the worship song sog. He introduced us. You know he just saidhe went to college with grace and he was like hey. You need to meet her. Sheplays piano really well and he sent me a picture of her and then he told herhow you need to meet shamas pretty funny. I think he'll hit it off, and sohe didn't send a picture of you. He did say he s like he's like listen he's gothis personality phenomenal. When you said. Will you hear is matic? When you seehim just remember he's fun. Just remember it. Just remember that he'sfunny and his mattresses on the floor. You aren't still on the food time yeah.No, no, i'm not. I had graduated all right. No, so we met up, we met up andyeah. We hit it off. Well, we didn't really hit it off when we met, but theni was like it. We were like. I was like hey, let's get breakfast tomorrow,let's get breakfast an, we got breakfast the next day and we just wejust talked and we never stopped talking. We never stopped texting and-and i was like you just got to marry- somebody like that right, you, like hey.We got to make this cheaper, we're i'm spending a lot of phone calls here. Youknow no, but we just kept on talking and wehad so much in common just in terms of our families and our upbringing and andand yeah yeah it just it just worked, itjust worked and there was never you know. Maybe we had like one time that we're like man. What dowe? You know, maybe just one one time that we werelike, like not angry but just kind of like you know, just kind of frustratedwith each other for just like a like a day or so. But after that we both knew.We both knew what we wanted and we both knew that we were serious and weweren't playing any games anymore and and yeah. So it really did just work isone of those times. I've heard people say when you know you know, and and nowi've told that to people- and i hate it when people told that to me, but itreally is like when you know you know so even buying like a ring bought anengage at regis like i did leave and i was so expensive now. I'm like i wasn'tthat expensive, but you know now i've got vegetals money, but at the time iwas like gosh, i can't believe it. What's the return policy they're like no, you don't want to you got thatright. You got it o. I love her. I love her. I just don't love the price yeah, but yeah it's been, it's been andi mean yeah. It's been really really good and we like we like, courted icorded her like. I stayed with her family when i would a she lived likethree hours away. I was like a long distance relationship. So yeah i youknow it was all those things and a lot...

...of some friends were like you you'redumb. I can't believe you're good, but i'm like now like i love her, and thisis working in it. We both know it feels right now and you guys have beenmarried. How long we've been married, we're going on like two and a halfyears. It'll be three years this this this fall september. First, okay, i'mnot a mathematician thousand and eighteen we got married to thousand andeighteen. Okay, i'm not a mathematician, but you guys have you met her threeyears ago. Yes, you've been married almost three years. Yes, so when oursun turns to soon yeah, so don't don't do too much math. What was the? Whatwas the? What was the race into marriage? Whatwas the race? Oh, like me like what why no, we merit okay married, we met andwe met sorry. We got married in two thousand and eighteen, but we met fallof two thousand and seventeen and then i proposed in may of two thousand aeighteen and we got married in september. Okay, so you'd been together,you've been dating, but how long before we had been dating about, i may beabout like a less than a year and we got married yeah. But when you know youknow when you know you know yeah, that was just one of those things where iwas like hey: let's let we're going to do this yeah and my family and herfamily. Both you know it wasn't. We didn't have to do too much likefighting and we didn't have to fight or convince anybody. You know they knewhey shama, i work i live in greenville and you know you know. I love the lordand grace worked and she lived in charleston and loved the lord and wemet each other and yeah and through that, what was the moment that you canlike look back and say that was the moment. I knew that she was the one man. There are many moments. My wife isextremely very like very much like her name is extremely gracious, extremely gracious and i sometimes am lacking in that area, and there was one time that i mentionedsomething to her- that she did not appreciate, i'm not going to say what it was butbut but she was just very, very kind about that, and- and i rememberthinking wow- i don't- i don't handle stuff like that. You know i don'thandle stuff like that, and- and i really really appreciated that andshe's been that way ever since, and i'm extremely thankful, like she yeah yeah, she's, extremely loving andgracious, and i see that i've seen that her her graciousness towards me andtowards our son who's going to turn to next month and is a knuckle head likehis dad. You know, but she is just slow. You know slow to wrath and his patientand is very loving and and yeah. Just for my s, i knew i knew thati really really appreciated that it just you know. I really reallyappreciated that. Hmm yeah, i mean at this point you're pretty much a veteranyou you on doing this thing like got a book on the way by the way, notmarriage. If you were to write a book or justlike even just a page, that would be your one advice like piece of advice that you wouldgive to someone like a man, who's new to marriage or who's. Maybe thinkingabout marriage man, i remember somebody. I don't know why this this. This landedwell with me, but i remember somebody mentioning to me before i got married.He just goes. I don't even think this man was a christian, he just goes hey.It's remember to be kind to one another, and i even want to say that today italways sounds. It sounds so simple, but so profound be kind of one another and man sometimes i'm better. You knowsometimes my wife and i, but like we're better at that, sometimes in others,but you know it really is this. You know this like striving to to be kindto each other, and- and i will say now that we have kids, kindness and love looks very different.You in our family. Now you now that's like loading thedishwasher unprompted. You know after dinner, there are so many differentthings that you, you know it's not it's not sexy. Youknow like it's not like romantic. Is not this candle lit meal, but really doappreciate. You know just like these acts of you know the helping out withthe kids. I'm prompted, or you know, kind of doing. I work from home sodoing something in between that or going to the store or picking upsomething yeah. All those different things like you know it really justgoes. I mean essentially marriage. I mean i heard somebody say it's like it's like a tv show. So is essentiallyjust like a lot of reruns, so you already know what somebody's going tosay or do what they're going to eat? Hey, i'm at so one. So you already knowwhat i want here to know what i want. So from that you know it's really justkind of being kind along a way. So your best advice comes from disney.Cinderella is what you're saying you know: yeah he's actually in the relutold me that yeah i mean be kind and have curate like that. That is it like.I, i ed watch centre you'll, get all your best marriage advice or listen tothis podcast by the way either ones...

...that works. To i mean i don't if you'retelling them right now. I think they're already, like you, a sorry, you're estyeah, i mean you're such a funny guy. So i'm sure that, like you and grace,are constantly just like i'm sure, you're having her like laughing likeyou know, all day, long and she's, just like oh my gosh you're, so funny, i'mso glad that i i wish, i hope she's not like everyone elsethinks you're funny is a cuttin out here here, sir no, we don't know butlike how are you able to because your communi person yeah you've got thetalent, you know, how do you inject laughter into yourrelationship and how can somebody listening to this? You know practicallyand jak laughter into maybe their marriage. Their relationship, yeah grace is really really funny. She's,given me like so many like tags and bits here and there that i'm like wow,that's really really good and she's, like he d, do i'll be like hey, youwant to get a front of camera, dease she's like no! No! I don't want to dothat. I'm like do you want credit for that, she's like no. I don't wantcredit for that, i'm like wow. That's all i want. I want to get in front ofthe camera and i want to credit for what i what i do, but yeah i mean at our house likepacing. Our pace of life is pretty different and i'm always doing stuffaround the house. That is, you know less than you know. She probablydoesn't think this funny, but i think it's hilarious, otomite bits and themi'll be on my guitar by office right, a song and i'll come around the corner.My hey! You got to listen to this. Listen to this. I just figured out thebridge for this, so there is a lot of that, but you know a lot of it also isjust you know, just me being a dad o being a weird and you know and wearingsocks. The word socks and slides around the house and eating boiled eggs overthe trash can- and you know you know yes, the easy way to peel them. What doyou talk about? You got to peel them in of the over the trap. So there's a lotof that. So there are a lot of funny moments like that, but i really enjoyit so you're saying that right now, man, if you're listening to this, if youwant to add and inject heerlen, o really box and sliest aw your feet, gorunning at full speed from the back root slippers, the slippers, yeah yeahand you can slide to yeah whole speed and as soon as you hit the doorway intothe living room, just just like la e h and if they stick- and you flip andyour face plain, then that will be even bad. That's actually funnier thatslides are like the like the slippers. You know the slippers with the what isit called? It's like the nike, nike dita, slides, that's what i'm talkingabout hold up, you're wearing nike slippers, they're, actually detis. I dodeda slippers in line and in sakya yeah. I need to slide in them. I probably canjust slide in the socks. The shoes have a little more grip on them. Man yeah.I've never was that. But then also, i remember one thing a friend of minetold me: he told me when i got married his because he knew his fun. He goes:hey keep sarcasm out of the bedroom and imber thinking, wow, really good, soyeah, maybe that's what i'll say is be funny. You know whatever, but you knowthere are certain elements that you know you don't want to make fun of, andyou don't want to be a sarcastic about, and i just learn the place and time,but other than that everything is free, game slip and slide. And i'll do thisthing, sometimes where i'll wear the shirt. You know, like a word, pull theneck of the t shirt over my head, you know and cover up my ears. Do you knowhow people do that like corolia? Is that a like who's that from davis andbutthead? Yes, yes, i'll? Do that and it'll be like i'll, be work at myoffice and i'll round the corner and i'll do that? And then there are acouple of other life bits that i do to i'm not going to be now you got to now. These ace men in nike slippers the disawith their shirts, pulled over their head they're like what's the nissypiece we need to know. We got to finish the trinity. Oh ah now it's just funny.I like to do if i round a corner and come back, i'm like the i'll like do abit between then and now so i'll come back is like a different character. Ising around the house too, so i do this one character character. Os are alwaysfun, but i do a character. I sing like a like a modern song in a i'll sing, a modern song and like anolder christian voice like what is a modern song like gira, my bro jor, my prova or hitahita,and i sound i sound incredibly white when i do that right. It is crazy. Whatis the you're a good good falter? That's whoyou are that's who you are and i'm loved by you just finding the littleweird runs. I love how i've got mericles on maricoone two, three four! I can't i just do that one in the house a lot. My wifedoes not so work with pop songs too. I love everything about that, except forwhat does it mean to sound white? How do you know it's just it's like anolder, i'm sweating. We do that. I at the house, so we willtake songs and turn them country, and...

...so my tin, an to if you want some, comeget some because where i'm from we took big guns- and everybody knows somebodythat knows somebody that knows something about it. So so i'll do like a little john size,you at's you. If you want it, you can get it. Let meknow i've tried to share that with my friendwho is actually in a country man. I like it would be hilarious if you didit so funny, he has played it a total of zero time so far, yeah like what'sthat? What is the pot? What is it like? A rap song? What is to live your life? He yeah, something like that yeah either way i go hey fuck, chasin mowat.Is that what is that? What is that? What, though one song now pink it bringus to? Hey what you prometen four cared magicin the eye: thielke a dinner singer mike dragons want to retire. Sorry, i think that was bracco mama.Maybe i don't know what happened n, so hey what makes it a barocco baba.Let's see, i got you, i got a two can play that game movie god. So everything on yourinstagram looks so heavenly as all couples do on the anster, but i'm surethat it is not all just like rain drops. Rainbows and fluffy clouds. Chubbybabies rose petals. Yes, exactly i've had a lot of growth, just in terms ofjust like my career and our family has grown. Our finances have grown a littlebit more. So navigating all of that this year has been has been a littlechallenging, but i like i wouldn't want to figurethis out with anybody else, but grace and and so yeah. That's that's been oneof the channels like you asked what what what are some of the challengeslike it is very different. Like you know, some ones are better than others.Some on someone, i'm on the phone a lot of months, i'm on emails! You know someweeks em on emails and sometimes i've gone and sometimes i'm home and it's really hard to play in thefuture, because i don't know what what work will come from where and then alsoadded the you know. Now we have. We have two kids so now just figuring thatout- and you know it- i'm gonna say i'm going to be very i'm gonna be verytransparent here last week i thought about what i was say this about, butlast week or yeah the yeah last week a couple days. We we have some good days.We didn't have some good days it an we've, since you know made up but butgrace towards the last, and it wasn't like it wasn't like bad. It just got itjust got icy. You know it just gets a little. You know just a little spicyaround the house for you know for a couple days, but you know it is tense. You know i'mworking a lot more and she's, sometimes with the kids a lot more and i'm tryingto deal with the kids and then i'm trying to work and i'm trying to take acall, i'm trying. So for that rayo know. Sometimes we just kind of rub eachother along the wrong way in terms of you know just execution on certainthings and and the other day, because i knew that i'm coming to do the show. Soi'm doing i'm coming to do young married christians and i'm a youngmarried christian and i'm not in a having a good time. You know beingyoung or married or a christian, all i'm like struggling and it's so funny to get to orlando. I i'm out of here i'm going to go talkabout it and and grace grace said the other day, and this wasn't like a jab.She said that we were both laughing. She goes. What are you on to go say onthe podcast and i was like, but yeah i mean i will say that thatyeah she did say that i was like gosh, but then also i was like hey. I thinkwe need therapy, but it wasn't like we therapy. I was like. Maybe we should goto therapy and she was like. Maybe we should and honest i'm not saying thatto say, like our marriage is like a trouble or anything but like our, wehave grown the past. We're going on three years in the past three yearshave been so crazy that it feels like like like a lifetime. You know goingfrom from creating and doing all these and then people hey. Do you want tocome down to florida? Ned, you want to go to a comet. You want to do this andwork, and all these other things and and a tv show in the middle there, andthen another tv show coming up and then recently somebody's like hey. Do youwant to write a book will help it and i'm like okay yeah, so i'm being pulledin all these different directions, but then also i want to i'm home and- and iwant to be a great dad, you know, and then i also want to pay the bills athome, and i also you know we want to buy a house and then we're like hey.Let's get a menevensis there, all these different things, but then i also wantto play with my son. You know so i want to take a call then play with myselfand then put all this stuff. So just in terms of it's different like if i wentto a cubicle every single day, that'd be easier right because i'd leave it onthe cube, you know leave it on the cubicle. I i wouldn't even takeanything with me. So, having like an...

...unconventional career in lifestyle, youknow means for like an unconvention know, it's a different marriage. Ourkids are going to be are going to be raised very different. Our kids aremixed. You know, are i heard somebody say. A pastor went say that a marriageis a is a collision between like two historiesright, like two histories thers, your history and then your spouse is history,and so our collision has been. I mean, it's bans to continents. You know itpans, big, a big family for her in missouri and in charleston, and myfamily is in greenville and some and you know some in around the unitedstates and then in tanzania, and so this, the the colit. You know thecollision, the union of our histories and then also like my my history incommon in her history. My wife was a music major and she plays pianobeautifully and she taught piano for a long time. So it really is trying tolike manage okay like what can we do? How can how can you support me and then?How can i support you in your purupurus in your goals, but then also is raisedkids, but then also, let's be great christians, but then also like less panplan for retirement, but then also like, let's day he in a lis, let's do thingsthat are going to keep us young and healthy and then also where do we do?We need to take our sound to day care now. You know so that and of itself hasbeen has been, you know, and then, oh and then also this is going to be agreat financial month. Hey this month is going to be too great, so you knowmaybe let's buy off brand the crow you know so, which is a sane. Don't ever doit, but so all those things together have made. For you know i've made for avery interesting, interesting, marriage and i'll say this here last week. Youknow it was not nice but but at the same time my wife and i both are very,very committed to to figuring it out and were very committed to not staying.You know angry or frustrated each other for a long time and yeah we're justcommitted to those things and to re ato, to each other and to this marriage andto to our kids and to our families and on all those things and to being greatchristians and then also to build. You know this crazy care being a crazycareer in comedy that nobody even knows i like what do you want to do and i'mlike whatever anybody will let me do, but i don't know those people who aregoing to. Let me do so. It's different i'll say that our marriage is differentand it's a great different, yeah and and i'm sure, a lot of listeners aregoing to be able to necessarily relate to the one person in the marriage going outcreating content that is bringing in the masses and the other one. You knowstay at home mom, but i think that they can relate to the argument side ofthings, and you said right before you left yeah things a well ice, a littlespicy and i hope that the way you resolved, that was not all right. I'mgoing to universal videos i'll see in a couple days. I'm just angry. Everypicture of me writing the rides. I'm just like a swinging. Rea things athome are good. I had a resolve. Take a self senatorsteel man still ahead to feel to mad, but i just rolled the hoka coaster orwhatever that was con out about our arguments. Yeah i'm got to go free frombar yeah, so going green for our marriage haslike a dave, ramsa campaign. That's a totally different that has not yethappened. Yeah. If he does we're suing him that's right day. Francy we've gotthat go green for your marriage, no like. How is it that you guys resolvearguments and disagreements in your house talking talking, i really just the aman. It's this new thing. You use your voice. If you don't have a voice, yourhands, it really is just kind of going hey. This is you know this was what happened,and this is what i appreciate it, and this is what i didn't appreciate andhow can we? How can we do better in the future and that those are candid? Thoseare weird conversations. Those are hard conversations, but you know for uswe're like yeah. Like you know, we don't want that to happen. We want to do better. How can we dobetter and and is figuring that out togetherand i mean for us for this last time i mean we're, like we've always talkedabout him o. Shall we go therapy me? We should go and is as seriously not likewe freak in bay that you mean it, but it is like us together like hey. Maybewe need to go talk to somebody. You know. Maybe we need to go talk tosomebody about. You know about about marriage and life and our family andour kids and how we need to deal with these things and and a lot of times we,you know i'll, say therapy, we go to. You know her parents house or when mymom comes in visits, or you know when we're at dinner with another couplelike all of that is like therapeutic for us, because so there is a group inthe in south. Carolina were really of. It is a it's a group of inner racial coupleswho are about our age, who the guys, there's and there's one girl who arefrom east africa. They moved to the states with their family and they'vemarried white, women and e. We all have...

...by racial kids running around andfighting and playing with each other when we meet up. So it's this reallyreally beautiful picture of you know not only like a multiracial marriage,but it is also like a multiracial. You know, you know group and outings, andwe had like a christmas party last year and it is awesome. So it's talking tothem and being like hey like what do you, you know what what do you say whensommink this happens, or what do you do when you wanted? How do you expressthat and that i never when you when you all reached out? Iremember thinking like man what is saved me as a young married christian, has been young married christians, youknow, being around young married christians as well, has been likeextremely vital for me, because we can compare notes right. We can figurethings out for us. You know where i'm i'm african and my wife is. You knowfrom the midwest. How do we? How do we do this? How do you all do this? How doyou plan on raising your kids? What culture do you plan on dominating themdominating in your kids? Kids is live? Are you going to teach him sway heli?Are you going to teach them another language you know, or can they takefrench when they go to school or spanish, or all these different thingsor what school you putting them in? So there have been so many questions rightthat you know mar maybe old marriedchristians that have, but the people that have related to the most have beenyoung married christians, who are also like down in the weeds in the thick ofit with us, and we can ask them like hey. How are you, how are you doingthis and then they tell us and and then from there like man, we leave and we'llbe on the drive back, we're like wow. Did you remember what darsed or mark or,or you know, daniel like we all these things were like man. That was reallygood. I can't you know and a lot of times it has been great moments and youknow, of course, and date, ideas and trips, but you know i've learned somuch more from you know, just hey we had. We had a bad. I remember some couple friends of ours mark indera who are marcus from kenya in they said you know one time they said theyhad a really kind of, and i don't think they'd mind me saying this, but theyhad like a like some rift in their marriages. You know just from cultureand being all these different things and and they said you know, we knew weweren't going to get a divorce, but we knew we were just going to be veryhappy for the rest of our lives very unhappy for the rest of our lives and- and i was like wow, you know, and so even from something like that,just even us being young married christians too, were like hey now mywife and i we think about that story. You know and there their candidness andsharing that and we can go wow like what can we do? You know and they havesince resolved, and they have a great marriage and they're going back to kinga to be missionaries, but you know, but also like, and they have threebeautiful kids who we love watching and hang it out with, but now it's even forus we're just trying to figure it out like how can we also be? You know young, married and happy all right, theentire ive been young married and be on the same team, the entire time as welland and yeah yeah man. You just did our branding for us,i mean it's just got a young married ad and it worse than just like keep. Youknow. It's like universal series like universal is, and then you hat in athing i'm going to. Let you guys use that as long as in thirty years, youbring me back for old, mary christians all right with what i'm going to be like seventypounds. Heavier. I'm gonna have like a mustache, i'm going to be balding andi'm like i did it debo. I did it. I just you always face for, and we wereyoung married and happy and i'm young married and successful and i'm young,married and retired. Well, i will no longer be devo. I will be debold not because i'm bold, just oh, okay, hello, are you a figured out yourbranding? That's like a robert. You know the phases of a robert. You gofrom like a like a rob, robbie robert and then you're like bob. You know andthat's you've already figured out your your character arc. I never knew wheredemo was gonna go now that i'm thirty on. I honestly feel like it needs a gosomewhere different like i don't know, but with all of that i feel like as far asour country has gone as far as our culturehas gone, i'm sure that you guys still come against being a multiracial couple.I know that you, you had made a joke in one of your videos about, like you know,multiracial couple has a child. It's the first wrapper to make a mixed, ayeah that was clever and it's cute, butthere's a serious side of this yeah and i'm sure that going out in public youknow some of my best friends, mollie and anthony melvin sat same situation as you she's white.He is very black, yeah, very dark and when they go out in public, you knowtheir three mixed kids are with them...

...and they get those looks, and you knowsometimes people say certain things. I mean they're living in a very smalltown in kentucky and right there in that bible belt you're in southcarolina right. So i'm sure yeah that it's not all. You know daisies for youguys. How has that been? Had there been any kind of conflict coming your wayyeah, there was a one. One thing in particular show my wife. She she wentto college in greenville, but she lived in charleston, which is about threethree hours away. So when she was in college, he attended to a small countrychurch and she played piano there and she i think she led like their theirmusic tip. He was like the music director there, this a small yeah. Idon't think they even exceeded fifty people and and those people kind oflike adopted her while she was in college and she really loved him andthen, when she moved back after she graduated, shemoved back to charleston to live with her family and and during that time,that's when we met after a few a few months after she had moved back and-and i think she had maybe put on facebook-that we were dating at the time and and some of the people from the countrychurch, which greenvilles like a kind of up and coming kind of city. Butthere are still pockets, like you kind of drive out you're like well, there'sa lot of a lot of t e e. A lot of different flags out here. You know imean so so greeable is is like that you kindof go hey. This is super. This is extremely. This is kind of like a modern city, but thenyou kind of drive out and you like, there's a lot of like squatted trucks,you know or whatever, so it is different. So while she was, you knowwhen she posted that she was dating me, one of the people from her church. Ithink i don't know if he had attended the church randomly while she was uphere. I think she did. She went to the church one sunday and they they askedher hey what what is? What is this about you in that and that african,american fellow and and and she said, yeah? That's that'smy boyfriend and they said i think one of the people said this all two toandseventeen, they said. Well, you know, you know, we don't agree with it but and yeah, and that was kind of like thethe end of like her kind of friendship orrelationship with them and yeah, and she told me that it wasn'tlike. I wasn't like fuming. I just remember thinking like wow. This is youknow sad tis, very sad, and it really and it hurt her for a while, becauseyou know she had been close with these people for a very long time and and yeah yeah still later on to, ithink, he'd gotten some messages to when it wasn't anything harsh was justkind of like you know. Like you know, we don't. We don't necessarily agree,agree with that, but what's very kind of crazy is sofrom that there was one gentleman who had went there, who was always verykind to grace. He after we got married. If we gotmarried a couple months later, he reached out to he reached out to graceand said: hey, you know, i'd love to, can i can i buy you and your husbandice cream, and so we went up and we went out. Wemet him for ice cream and we ate ice cream and and grace was pregnant at thetime and and he was just very sweet i was like well, you know i really gladto meet you. I was able to shake his hand and a d and to see him and andtalk to him, and he was just a very sweet. You know kind of southern oldman and that to me was you know, i think anybody else like my firstinstinct was like no we're not you know they didn't support our marriage oranything else, but i was like now like. Let's, let's go meet him, let's go meethim and i wasn't like i'm a prove point. I'm gonna, i have some harsh words, butit was when not we sus went out for ice cream. We just talked a little bit andtold he were expecting a little baby boy and and it was really good and yeah.So so something like that, like yeah it does. You know when we drive, by kindof when we're heading up to the mountains, sometimes we'll drive by,and that does kind of hurt my wife's heart, because you know this a wholekind of whole relationship. There's with history. There that's kind oftainted now because of you know, because of us because of ourrelationship- and you know it's not really pleasurable, but but we enjoy atother than that man like people been, i remembring my parents growing up, youknow, and i is no offense to them. They had moved to the states. They didn'thave such great experiences with you know like they seen so many divorces happen in just in thein their community. They had seen so many divorces happen in the churchesthat they attended and in the communities that they were part of thatthey did not. They just thought. Wow, americans don't appreciate they. Don'tthey don't appreciate marriage and they would tell us not out of not raciallymotivated, but they say i don't marry white people, don't marry white people,you know, and this wasn't out of like they don't know they were just kind of.Like i d n t, we don't understand their opinion on marriage, we don'tunderstand they. Don't they don't respect marriage, you know we wouldn'trecommend it and we knew that and even when i wentto tanzania when e e back to tanana to be mission aries, you know moving back.I remember when i was moving back for...

...college and you know was telling youknow saying good bye to some of the people in our church and some of theladies would say: hey don't bring back a white woman, you know come back andget married here and people be hey. We got a w, we'll find your wife here andwhat did i do against against all you know. I came back and i married graceand and but more than anything i was able to tell my mom about grace. My istarted dating grace. My dad had passed away a few months later tragically, buthe had talked to grace on the phone and my mom had talked to grace and had metgrace and they no longer felt that way. You knowthey and this wasn't like a rat. You know it wasn't like a fighting i had tolike. I was screaming and dragging out match, but but i just said you know,like she loved the lord and her family loves a lord. You know, and and and ilove her and then she loves me and- and so you know, my mom was very supportiveand my family was too. You know i had some fame members far from tans a to bea part of the wedding and when grace this is in two thousand and nineteengrace was pregnant. We flew to tanzania for a couple of weeks and everybody wasso excited to me grace. Nobody said you know the harsh words at all, but theywere very excited. They were very excited about seeing the baby too. Wewere going to go last year, but cova prevented that, but but yeah. So it'sreally cool. I'm twenty nine to live in this this this arc or this kind of likea timeline to where it was weird and people are going to make. You know myparents would say stuff like people make fun of your kids if they're mixedat all. As my son is the most popular kid in church in the kids ministratchurch, by the way as he is so freaky popular, they take that little cat. But you know to go to go from this timewhere it was weird and kind of taboo and people didn't really know what itwas to to now, and there are some peoplewho are still kind of against it. But then there are people who will you knowor be it will be at restaurants or somewhere and they'll just come up andthey're like what beautiful kids. We love your g. So i'm extremely extremelythankful- and i mean i mean yeah, i'm just extremelythankful man and i'm not even saying that, like i didn't set out to go, i only want to. Iwant to marry a white b. You know i want to marry a white person white, butit was this kind of thing like when i met grace. He like we knew- and i don'tthink we ever talked about like oh, we in premarital counseling, our countswere brought up. You know, you know there might be some challenges alongthe way and we did kind of kind of experience that already, but we alsoknew were like hey. You know, we know who we are. We know we're doinghere. You know and- and we know we're not sitting, and weknow that you know it's not against the so so yeah that was that was just kindof where we stood and we enjoy, and i love i mean now morethan ever man. I love seeing you know mixed couples, just kind of everywhere,their bige kids like to me that is so encouraging, because i remember a timewhen it was like you know so many african families who have moved herethey're, like oh, don't do that you know and now all these families now,who are you know in healthy marriages and kids and and just the picture of imean marriage- is every marriage is a mixed marriage. I can, as anybody said,that before i'm not trying to like make like a sound bite here, but essentiallyyou know, there is more. You know, there's there more elements to ourmarriage now, because there are two cultures involved, but you know ifyou're from up north and from down south and you get married, there are alot of culture differences there there too, but you know i'd say more so forfor us who married somebody from a different continent. Man when i go home to ashley and tellher hey, did you know that we're a mix guys i'm not responsible for anythingthat debo sayzar does on the on the show routes? Yeah yeah? I mean, if you think aboutit, you know yeah, i mean it's so true, though, because you are mixing two veryunique people to totally different. You know whether it's personalities ori mean for her and i i was raised in the country she was raised in the bigcity. You know her family is like all new yorkers were all hey all overyonder, so bringing those you know it's like bringing thecarnations, and you know the beverly hill billies yeah together. Honestly,our relationship is kind of like the beverly hill, a thinking about it. What was there a big shift for yougoing to from marriage with no kids to into parented man? We there was a shift, but we really reallyloved it like. I know there are a lot of people who are indifferent about.You know. Kids and and people are in different about marriage. You know thatyou see a lot of jokes, that people make about all the old ball and chainand a bunch of other things, but the the the the opportunity i'm going to say this,because i worked for my wife and i when we got pregnant, i worked o my boss at the time, a m himand his wife. Sadly a had been trying...

...for so long and they can have a kid, so they've adopted a child now littlejonathan and i'm so excited so excited for them. So i remember when grace- andi had i remember the first- my first i was like les we're not going to beflipping about this. This is this is a gift from the lord and and i was i grewup in a great household, with really great christian awesome parents who ireally loved and so getting to be a parent has man has been like a hugeblessing and grace really loves kids like she, wouldn't even let otherpeople hold as ra when we were like family family fucks, as with her family,she would like hold on to them. So long they'd be like all right. Can i havethem back now? I need to idea back and yeah. We just kid. I mean kids havereally been a blessing and i'll say when we had zoe or second born who's.Two months now you know it was little sleep. There was low sleep, you know you kind of eathovering over a trash can or on the count. You know kitchen countersomething really quick, sometimes you're woken up in the middle of thenight, but i remember i was telling grace, maybe a couple o weeks an after oursecond was born, saying like man, what a what a blessing to be woken up by byyour kids. You know it's a it's an inconvenient blessing right. There arepeople. Think, like oh kids, manners. Kids are so expensive man what anexpensive blessing right like what an expensive and my son calls me dad dad.You know, and my wife, this my wife sent me a picture of eswar. Yesterday.He was outside in the front yard playing in like a tank of water withsome rubber duckies. He was shirtless. He was smiling such a heat littlepicture and i was in the hotel rob last night as watching a movie, and shetakes me up looking at my phone, i'm like crying. I because i'm like man,that's my son man, that's my son right what a what a huge blessing so yeah!That's just my! It is there's a lot to figure out andwe are figuring it out, but it is a blessing to be able to figure out withwith a with a wife, who's, supportive and on the same side and the same teamas me and doing the work. But yes, just a it's a remarkableblessing and i really really enjoy it is away to man yeah. While you were saying that i felt likethe holy spirit was saying to me that he looked at us and saw our cost andthought man at what cost. But then he said, but what a blessing and it isworth it and the blessing outweighs the cost every day every day and to be ableto flip that mentality going into parenthood because as excited as i amto some day, be a dad to be a father, and you know i've already kind of gotthe dad jokes down and i have already you know i was a kindergarten teacherand being able to interact with the kids, like i loved that stuff, butthere's also that fear of am i going to be able. Am i going to have what ittakes and i think that just hearing you say: maybe you won't have what it takes on acouple nights yeah. Maybe you will struggle a little bit and maybe you will have to sacrificesome of your time. Some of your. You know joys and life, the things that youdo, but it is all being filled withsomething much greater much better. You know because for me i'm like, ohwell, maybe i'm not going to have as much time to go rock climbing if i havea child, but i'm literally trading in rock climbing, on potentially forhaving someone look at me and say: dad do yeah and having a child. You knowyou're trading in what is going to be trash for what is going to be treasureand i just feel, like you know, that's kind of what god wants for us in ourlife like that's our calling is to, and i feel like that's been the theme ofour conversation. I just like stop focusing on these little things in lifeand and what is you know, a very selfish thing and lookat okay when i'm selfless he's actually going to reward me with more happiness, more joy and beable to give me a life more fulfilled and more fool is no longer is notlonger just my wife and i or myself in there eating by myself. It is, it is ayou know, there is there's more to it and i'm it is a blessing to have themore mouths and the more hands scratching and gnawing and spilling,and you know together, yes, okay, so we have time for onefinal thing and i have saved the best for last. So if anyone has listened asfar that is not my mother, my fiance or your wife, then you're about to have aspecial tree. I think- and this brings in everything from a parenting tochildhood, to church culture which your...

...podcast church story stories. Yeahshout out to that. If you love this story that you're about to hear- and iknow i'm setting you up for to like knock it out of the part- but if youlove this story, definitely check out church stories, but you've got to sharewith our listeners your story of speaking and tongues. Yes, as a child,do you know i'm talking about do all right? Ladies and gentlemen, here yougo oh man, okay, so when i was about ten or eleven, we used to go to thesethings called camp meetings. This was in south carolina. Camp meetings arebasically like every denomination right of a dominant denomination, like acollaboration of churches, you know if they have like a hundred two hundredthousand churches in an area you know in a state or whatever a county in afew counties. They'll all get together for a you know for a camp meeting whereit's everybody just kind of comes out, and you know at the time i think it wastook place under a tent, but this was at a camp meeting a couple of years ago.No, this is back when i was ten is not a couple years ago. I'm twenty nine.Ladies and gentlemen, i'm twenty nine, so you days have twelve year olds work.I just wore you so therefore, and for that i feel tep.Now, no, i'm kidding they're all of age, but this was at the last. This was thesaturday night of a camp meeting. They were having like a youth service rightthrough having a youth service and they said: hey, there's going to be pizzaafterwards, so i'm like oh heck, yeah, let's go so my family and i would goand then the they were like hey we're going towe're going to we're doing it, like speaking in tongues. You know we'redoing like speaking in tongues thing tonight and and so they're like. Oh everybody comeforward or whatever come forward, we're in a lay hands on you, you're, going to speak at times rightso they're like putting hands on people and you know speak it speak it andspeak it, and and people are catching it left and right, left and right, leftand right. People are catching it, and- and i i'm not i'm like not catching itright, so everybody's catchy left and ride on whatever and people as theycatch it. You know they speak in tones when they go sit down and then finally,like the i'm like the one of the i'm like the last kid sanding right, i'mlike the last kid and, and so the lady like they're like proclaiming so now,there's like four or five people. You know in my face all yelling andscreaming, and i mean this is i mean this is a tuesday night, if you're apet if you grew up in a costal bt, dubs right and and so finally, i just go. She loses, and i just kind of repeatedthat over and over i heard my dad praying tongs like that- and i was likethis how about this- and i like? Oh, i caught it- praise o praise the lord andthen and then they were like. Oh, you can get it down, but i messed the story up because okay,so that happened at a small church where that happened and there was pizzaafterwards i was there for the pizza. Then they were like all right beforeyou get pizza, everybody needs to be filled, ith the spirit at a campmeeting a few years later. I actually did catch the holy spirit and there waspizza afterwards, so chick filet. If you're listening.That's that's your new way. You can get your sandwich after you've caught thespirit. Was this? The story was that the story you wanted me to tell thatwas the story i want to do and what i heard i was like man like the churchbrings you in and they're like all right children you get, some pizza isfirst, you got to catch the spirit here we go kid and one of the worst part wasthat my parents were in the ever. All the parents were in the audience behindus, so they had just called like the students up, so we went up and andafter my dad noticed that i you know i'd like had to the last one standingand then i prayed and they're like oh and then you know i just you knowturned around after that. I don't know like a high five. Somebody is like. Ohno cool, can i go sit down cool there, i'm with stopping everybody from pizzaright i'm going to go sit down, you know, so we can all get in line, and mydad was like that. Wasn't it was it, and i was like he's like that. Wasn'tdeed, i'm like now that i wasn't it was and then you got to go, get your piece.A pizza got a piece of pizza yeah. Just like he said a piece, a p pizza. Can wesave a piece of pizza that we will get sued piece? Is a a senary piece, ps,apepi pizza, piece of pizza, piece of pizza, okay, there's people that wassaying it like. Why are they talking about that? It's a call back to hiscontent. Yeah. If you don't know it, that means you probably need to go.Listen into the archive of shama dude. It has been fantastic to have you onthe show. Take thanks for coming down all the way to orlando to go to youknow, theme parks in june. You know sweating your. You know, i'm sure thatyeah anyways thanks for coming down thanks for being here. Where can ourlisteners find and keep up with your content? How can they stay connectedthanks so much for having a man this has been. This has been a pleasure.I've never been on. A podcast were got to talk about being married. I've talked about itsome on my podcast, but it's also. You know you do like a comedy podcast, sothis has been like a real pleasure and i'm excited to listening backk to younot only the just this episode, but the...

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